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NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
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Re: NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
NMU isnt going to move down to D-3. That statement makes no sense at all. There is no D-2 hockey, so NMU has to play at the D-1 level.
NMU isnt going to move down to D-3. That statement makes no sense at all. There is no D-2 hockey, so NMU has to play at the D-1 level.
Re: NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
Wong is saying the same thing Notre Dame is saying and waiting for the river card instead of going all in on the flop or turn.
Why make the rash move that DU, UND, UNO, UMD, CC and Miami did? If Notre Dame does not get on board with this new Western league, how is this league any better than the 10-team WCHA? All those schools gained right now are less trips to Alaska, more dates to play in Big Ten barns and the chance to hit on the abundance of women in Oxford.
Wong is saying the same thing Notre Dame is saying and waiting for the river card instead of going all in on the flop or turn.
Why make the rash move that DU, UND, UNO, UMD, CC and Miami did? If Notre Dame does not get on board with this new Western league, how is this league any better than the 10-team WCHA? All those schools gained right now are less trips to Alaska, more dates to play in Big Ten barns and the chance to hit on the abundance of women in Oxford.
aparch
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Also, there is a moratorium on colleges playing in one division (ie: d2 all sports) and playing up in just one (ie: d1 mend hockey)
The NCAA has stopped this thanks to the football and basketball schools. Hockey, and other minor sports, are affected by preventing smaller schools (d2, d3) start up d1 hockey programs.
Already member schools were grandfathered in, but if they don't use it, they lose the exemption status ad cannot play up (RIT, RPI, CC, NMU, etc)
If NMU is committed to D1 hockey, they cannot waffle and back down. It's d1 or the death of NCAA hockey at NMU.
Personally, I think we're positioned to have a real fighting chance. Or, our Athletic Department can let that chance go by.
aparch
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And just how is Tech NOT in the drivers seat of developing this new conference?
Beer Pong Horn
soldier of fortune
Re: NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
It'd make sense for the NCAA to make a D-1/D-2 tournament, like they do for other sports (women's hockey maybe?) Not that either Tech or Northern should go down to D-2, but we'd pick up a few more schools that can't otherwise be counted.
It'd make sense for the NCAA to make a D-1/D-2 tournament, like they do for other sports (women's hockey maybe?) Not that either Tech or Northern should go down to D-2, but we'd pick up a few more schools that can't otherwise be counted.
Re: NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
The financial ramifications of joining the WCHA at that time and the uncertainty of the college hockey landscape were reasons to not make the move, add to that the base of NMU alumni that has seen them play at the Joe nearly every year. If the Cats had jumped to the WCHA at that point, they would be in no different position than they are today.
The financial ramifications of joining the WCHA at that time and the uncertainty of the college hockey landscape were reasons to not make the move, add to that the base of NMU alumni that has seen them play at the Joe nearly every year. If the Cats had jumped to the WCHA at that point, they would be in no different position than they are today.
aparch
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Re: NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
I think we're in a better position than had we jumped to the WCHA. If/when the Super6/8 conference is announced, had we jumped to the WCHA, we may be asking to re-join the CCHA.
I'm pleased that we have a bit more control over what we do, and NMU can be looked upon as not contributing to this disaster.
I think we're in a better position than had we jumped to the WCHA. If/when the Super6/8 conference is announced, had we jumped to the WCHA, we may be asking to re-join the CCHA.
I'm pleased that we have a bit more control over what we do, and NMU can be looked upon as not contributing to this disaster.
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The key is still Notre Dame. If they go to Hockey East, it's unlikely that Western goes to the new conference. I don't buy the doom and gloom sayers. However it shakes out, NMU will end up with a home in a solid conference. Is it a six team CCHA with Western or a CCHA which adds a couple more like Robert Morris, Mercyhurst, Niagara or Alabama-Huntsville? Is it in the WCHA? Is it in a league formed by a WCHA/CCHA merger? Who knows. At this point it's too early to figure it out. One thing I do know for sure is that there is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes right now. All players are keeping their cards close to the vest for sure, and that's probably the best way for them to do it. One thing for sure is that I feel no sympathy for the WCHA. They had already approached Miami and Notre Dame and invited them to join. Anything they want to say about the "best interests" of college hockey is bovine excrement.
The key is still Notre Dame. If they go to Hockey East, it's unlikely that Western goes to the new conference. I don't buy the doom and gloom sayers. However it shakes out, NMU will end up with a home in a solid conference. Is it a six team CCHA with Western or a CCHA which adds a couple more like Robert Morris, Mercyhurst, Niagara or Alabama-Huntsville? Is it in the WCHA? Is it in a league formed by a WCHA/CCHA merger? Who knows. At this point it's too early to figure it out. One thing I do know for sure is that there is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes right now. All players are keeping their cards close to the vest for sure, and that's probably the best way for them to do it. One thing for sure is that I feel no sympathy for the WCHA. They had already approached Miami and Notre Dame and invited them to join. Anything they want to say about the "best interests" of college hockey is bovine excrement.
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bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
If we're going to be hanging out together for a few more years, can we at least scheme to get some new conference leadership? I've been less than impressed. Or hell, figure out a way to make the "Super Integer" think that making Judy Bailey commissioner would be smart?
If we're going to be hanging out together for a few more years, can we at least scheme to get some new conference leadership? I've been less than impressed. Or hell, figure out a way to make the "Super Integer" think that making Judy Bailey commissioner would be smart?
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I think some of these are wrong, because I clicked around a bit and the only ones that I could find were Florek and Coreau.
By the way, any word on if Hanson will sign with the rangers?
I think some of these are wrong, because I clicked around a bit and the only ones that I could find were Florek and Coreau.
By the way, any word on if Hanson will sign with the rangers?
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
Re: NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
The more I think about this deal, the more my line of thought shifts towards this... Looking at the landscape, NMU is one of the strongest of the "Have Nots" that are out there... We will be wanted by both the CCHA and WCHA and that gives us leverage... Also, the road to the NCAAs just got easier since we no longer have to go through a U of M or State to get there... Again, over the past 10-15 years, we have preformed near the top of the Leftovers...
For now, NMU just needs to be proactive in this whole deal... Let the dust settle, then start doing what benefits NMU the most... Right now, I think that pairing up with the old WCHA schools + LSSU would be the best case scenario... Travel budget can remain roughly the same, and I feel that our gate revenue will only drop slightly if at all... The thing is that NMU would have to go out and get the community behind this team more than ever... If you can get MQT to come out, then I think we will be set... Much like people have said about Air Force, being a big fish in a small pond has its benefits...
The more I think about this deal, the more my line of thought shifts towards this... Looking at the landscape, NMU is one of the strongest of the "Have Nots" that are out there... We will be wanted by both the CCHA and WCHA and that gives us leverage... Also, the road to the NCAAs just got easier since we no longer have to go through a U of M or State to get there... Again, over the past 10-15 years, we have preformed near the top of the Leftovers...
For now, NMU just needs to be proactive in this whole deal... Let the dust settle, then start doing what benefits NMU the most... Right now, I think that pairing up with the old WCHA schools + LSSU would be the best case scenario... Travel budget can remain roughly the same, and I feel that our gate revenue will only drop slightly if at all... The thing is that NMU would have to go out and get the community behind this team more than ever... If you can get MQT to come out, then I think we will be set... Much like people have said about Air Force, being a big fish in a small pond has its benefits...
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Focusing more on this year rather than something that won't happen for 2 years, how experienced is the incoming class? I feel good about the returning players, not a doubt in my mind all 3 senior positional players will make AHL or Possibly NHL.
Focusing more on this year rather than something that won't happen for 2 years, how experienced is the incoming class? I feel good about the returning players, not a doubt in my mind all 3 senior positional players will make AHL or Possibly NHL.
Re: NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
Already chatted with NMU President Les Wong. I will be speaking with AD Steve Reed and am in the process of hunting down Walt Kyle.
Follow along on Twitter at twitter.com/mattwellens for the NMU perspective. I'll have a story up on www.miningjournal.net later today too. Who knows if my column will get written or not breaking down a possible new home for NMU.
I could try and get comment from John Kyle as well, but he's probably fishing, killing something or teaching Chuck Norris how to not fight like a girl. No promises there.
Yay for working on a Saturday!
Already chatted with NMU President Les Wong. I will be speaking with AD Steve Reed and am in the process of hunting down Walt Kyle.
Follow along on Twitter at twitter.com/mattwellens for the NMU perspective. I'll have a story up on www.miningjournal.net later today too. Who knows if my column will get written or not breaking down a possible new home for NMU.
I could try and get comment from John Kyle as well, but he's probably fishing, killing something or teaching Chuck Norris how to not fight like a girl. No promises there.
Yay for working on a Saturday!
Re: NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
Just that my big worry here of all things is Ferris. Ferris gives up the ghost, my reasons for buying lottery tickets takes another big hit. As without Ferris around, there's not really that great looking of a future spot for GVSU hockey. But, "checks last night numbers......." thats neither here or there at this point.
I could easily see the leftovers of the WCHA teaming up with the yooper schools, call it the Snowbelt conference perhaps.
Just that my big worry here of all things is Ferris. Ferris gives up the ghost, my reasons for buying lottery tickets takes another big hit. As without Ferris around, there's not really that great looking of a future spot for GVSU hockey. But, "checks last night numbers......." thats neither here or there at this point.
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So, with the waters clearing up a little bit...I figured I'd discuss NMU's choices from here on out.
First: Stay in the CCHA, albeit, re-tooled CCHA. Right now its NMU, LSSU, Ferris, Western, Bowling Green, Notre Dame. The Irish could be on the move before the end of the summer. Intentions have to be made by August for next season, so we should know if they move to the new league, B1G, or Hockey East. Notre Dame's move doesnt impact NMU too much, but does impact the future of the CCHA. If ND stays, it remains a 6 team league and its autobid status. Should they leave, the CCHA would have to make some moves. Look at some AHA teams to slide into the CCHA. Niagara, Robert Morris (PA) and Mercyhurst are the likely schools.
Second: The WCHA is depleted down to 5 teams after the move. They NEED to add teams. An obvious fit would be NMU, as travel costs would likely remain the same with trips to Denver, Colorado Springs, and Grand Forks off the schedule (though in the 12-13 season, NMU will be making the trek). MTU, St Cloud, BSU, Mankato and UAA (no different than the UAF trip). Basically, it comes down to road trips to Ferris, Western, and possibly PA, and NY.
Third: Do Nothing and have the WCHA and CCHA Merge. An unlikely scenario since it would take away an auto bid and give an at large to the teams that these schools dislike at the moment (the B1G and the New League).
So, with the waters clearing up a little bit...I figured I'd discuss NMU's choices from here on out.
First: Stay in the CCHA, albeit, re-tooled CCHA. Right now its NMU, LSSU, Ferris, Western, Bowling Green, Notre Dame. The Irish could be on the move before the end of the summer. Intentions have to be made by August for next season, so we should know if they move to the new league, B1G, or Hockey East. Notre Dame's move doesnt impact NMU too much, but does impact the future of the CCHA. If ND stays, it remains a 6 team league and its autobid status. Should they leave, the CCHA would have to make some moves. Look at some AHA teams to slide into the CCHA. Niagara, Robert Morris (PA) and Mercyhurst are the likely schools.
Second: The WCHA is depleted down to 5 teams after the move. They NEED to add teams. An obvious fit would be NMU, as travel costs would likely remain the same with trips to Denver, Colorado Springs, and Grand Forks off the schedule (though in the 12-13 season, NMU will be making the trek). MTU, St Cloud, BSU, Mankato and UAA (no different than the UAF trip). Basically, it comes down to road trips to Ferris, Western, and possibly PA, and NY.
Third: Do Nothing and have the WCHA and CCHA Merge. An unlikely scenario since it would take away an auto bid and give an at large to the teams that these schools dislike at the moment (the B1G and the New League).
Hammer
We'll be back.
Re: NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
The CCHA is a 7-team league at the moment, not a 6-er. You left out Fairbanks.
The CCHA is a 7-team league at the moment, not a 6-er. You left out Fairbanks.
Re: NMU Wildcat 2011 Offseason
Sixer, where?!?
Going to need a lot more than that to get through this offseason. Almost time for another beer run to Wisconsin.
Sixer, where?!?
Going to need a lot more than that to get through this offseason. Almost time for another beer run to Wisconsin.