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Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

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Really? By drowning him out? On a college campus? Why is it the people who preach about diversity and tolerance the loudest are usually the first to try to shut up somebody they disagree with? The correct response to this toad (as it is with PETA or WBC or the Klan or any other extremist) is to ignore him. Denying him his right to speak, even with gentle Christian songs, is a direct descendant of SA tactics.

When DU stupidly invited Birmingham sheriff Bull Connor (he brought his cattle prod) nobody tried to shut him up. There were pickets outside of the venue. But inside, no gentle Christian songs to drown him out. There was a vigorous Q & A session when he was done, to be sure. It was a college campus, where presumably, ideas (even repulsive ones) can be freely exchanged.
I couldn't agree more.

Back in May I read a piece by a former cabinet member (blanking on the name and position, a black man, worked under Clinton, I believe) who said much the same. He posted the column in response to all of the college protests that were happening due to the announced commencement speakers. He took it from the angle of it must be great to know absolutely everything in the world so that you didn't have to listen to a dissenting opinion and hear another perspective on things; it was going to make life much easier for these students.
 
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I couldn't agree more.

Back in May I read a piece by a former cabinet member (blanking on the name and position, a black man, worked under Clinton, I believe) who said much the same. He posted the column in response to all of the college protests that were happening due to the announced commencement speakers. He took it from the angle of it must be great to know absolutely everything in the world so that you didn't have to listen to a dissenting opinion and hear another perspective on things; it was going to make life much easier for these students.

That kind of intolerance is rampant on many college campuses. I was taught that we need the First Amendment for unpopular speech. Popular speech doesn't require protecting. You may recall Sam Hiyakawa, president of San Francisco State, who became a hero (and wound up a United States Senator) by standing up to campus intellectual thugs. In one memorable confrontation, Sam hopped up on a flat bed truck to take on a young black dude. The kid explained that Hiyakawa didn't understand what it means for the government to discriminate against him on the basis of race. Sam replied that the federal government had packed him and his family off to a concentration camp and forced them to sell all their worldly possessions based solely on race. He wondered if that counted.

On one occasion he was forced to cancel a speech at the University of Colorado's magnificent Mackey Auditorium when the SDS (which had bought seats in the first couple of rows) rioted and began ripping chairs from the floor and throwing them on stage. Ernst Rohm would have been so proud. Generally speaking, campus speech codes are designed to stifle speech which proponents don't like. A few years ago the chapter of my fraternity on one of the U of C campuses was raked over the coals for having distributed a flyer for a party which had artwork of a guy in a serape and sombrero on it. The chapter was about 40% Latino, and the Latino president was at pains to explain they weren't "racists."
 
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That kind of intolerance is rampant on many college campuses.

This is not suppression of free speech, it's counter-speech. And if you've ever seen one of these guys in action on a quad, they're not remotely interested in a dialog -- they're windup toys with a script and no matter what you ask them or say to them they take one beat and just move on to the next bullet point.

The genius of this response is it's a hoist by one's own petard. These guys wrap their twisted hatred in a protective shield of religion and rely on the political correctness of never directly engaging someone on their religious convictions to get a free harangue in. The singers deftly refuted his whole shtick without anything aggressive or even impolite. If the face of hatred cross-dressing as religion, they sang love backed by real faith. Pretty sure that's what the whole Christian thing is all about.

The other thing that's important here is this was JMU. It's fairly silly and pathetic to see these guys strutting their stupid on a top level campus because you know the kids are just rolling their eyes and on their way to something that matters. JMU's student body is the kind of place where the Campus Crusade for Christ is ten times larger than the honor roll. The kids who go there are the opposite of Ivory Tower, they're tomorrow's business school B students. When even those guys have had enough of pseudo-faithful prejudice, the game's over.

If you want to get your knickers in a twist over university intolerance and first amendment violation, stick to controversial lecturers being canceled. That's a legitimate concern and whenever it happens (which BTW is not often at all) I'm right there with you calling BS on it.
 
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I couldn't agree more.

Back in May I read a piece by a former cabinet member (blanking on the name and position, a black man, worked under Clinton, I believe) who said much the same. He posted the column in response to all of the college protests that were happening due to the announced commencement speakers. He took it from the angle of it must be great to know absolutely everything in the world so that you didn't have to listen to a dissenting opinion and hear another perspective on things; it was going to make life much easier for these students.

See below. The issue of shouting down or trying to cancel a scheduled speaker because of political differences is a totally different issue. That's a formally defined forum (even an official welcome by the university) and the audience should listen politely and carefully and then, if the forum allows questions, engage him on the facts. This is Pio mixing his Crown Royal and Metamucil, staggering out to the Student Union, and screaming WND headlines. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!11!!
 
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Well you see the students singing anti hate songs aren't allowed free speech on public university property but the guy who's off his meds shouting about "teh gays!!!111" is.
 
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This is not suppression of free speech, it's counter-speech. And if you've ever seen one of these guys in action on a quad, they're not remotely interested in a dialog -- they're windup toys with a script and no matter what you ask them or say to them they take one beat and just move on to the next bullet point.

The genius of this response is it's a hoist by one's own petard. These guys wrap their twisted hatred in a protective shield of religion and rely on the political correctness of never directly engaging someone on their religious convictions to get a free harangue in. The singers deftly refuted his whole shtick without anything aggressive or even impolite. If the face of hatred cross-dressing as religion, they sang love backed by real faith. Pretty sure that's what the whole Christian thing is all about.

The other thing that's important here is this was JMU. It's fairly silly and pathetic to see these guys strutting their stupid on a top level campus because you know the kids are just rolling their eyes and on their way to something that matters. JMU's student body is the kind of place where the Campus Crusade for Christ is ten times larger than the honor roll. The kids who go there are the opposite of Ivory Tower, they're tomorrow's business school B students. When even those guys have had enough of pseudo-faithful prejudice, the game's over.

If you want to get your knickers in a twist over university intolerance and first amendment violation, stick to controversial lecturers being canceled. That's a legitimate concern and whenever it happens (which BTW is not often at all) I'm right there with you calling BS on it.

4 windy paragraphs to defend what we already knew: it's okay by you to shut somebody up with whom you disagree. Even on a college camps.
 
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See below. The issue of shouting down or trying to cancel a scheduled speaker because of political differences is a totally different issue. That's a formally defined forum (even an official welcome by the university) and the audience should listen politely and carefully and then, if the forum allows questions, engage him on the facts. This is Pio mixing his Crown Royal and Metamucil, staggering out to the Student Union, and screaming WND headlines. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!11!!

As long as nobody you agree with is treated this way. Right?
 
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Well you see the students singing anti hate songs aren't allowed free speech on public university property but the guy who's off his meds shouting about "teh gays!!!111" is.

You are, probably, the most infantile, ignorant troll currently posting. I guess every idiot needs a hobby.
 
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You're the one defending bigotry in the guise of free speech. But then when the ones who exercise their rights to free speech aren't defending bigotry, you get mad and claim they're denying Pat Robertson Jr. his right to free speech. Irony much?
 
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