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Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

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Do you really think that the average black person who gets caught is just that much more obvious and that's why they get caught (and I'm mostly focusing on the small time arrests just to clarify)? I guess all I'm saying is, the nimrods that lived by you aren't necessarily representative of an entire population. And I highly doubt that the disparity in arrests is what it is because one race lacks discretion and the other doesn't.

That said I can't really disagree with the rest of your post. I can guess which part of Madison you mean based on visits to see my brother when he went to school there.
 
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St. Clown said:
This YouTube video has surface, allegedly the Michael Brown altercation/killing. I'm going to watch it when I take lunch.

http://youtu.be/VdL9dqkyjhM
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Useless video. Shows ten minutes of a dead body laying in the street and the voices of a couple of people who acknowledge they saw nothing and were drawn by the sounds of gunfire, speculating about what happened.
 
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SJHovey said:
I have a lot of questions about this incident.
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And that, right there, is the key. You (and many others) have questions about this incident, but it sure seems like there are a lot of people who have convictions instead. (get the double entendre?)
 
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trixR4kids said:
And I highly doubt that the disparity in arrests is what it is because one race lacks discretion and the other doesn't.
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Much of these generalizations depend upon what part of the country you are from, or what city you are from, etc.

In some places, the disparity in arrests stems from a disparity in who commits crimes in the first place.

I wonder how many people are projecting their own local experience onto Ferguson when the local experience there might be quite a bit different on a day to day basis than the experience somewhere else.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Do you really think that the average black person who gets caught is just that much more obvious and that's why they get caught (and I'm mostly focusing on the small time arrests just to clarify)? I guess all I'm saying is, the nimrods that lived by you aren't necessarily representative of an entire population. And I highly doubt that the disparity in arrests is what it is because one race lacks discretion and the other doesn't.

That said I can't really disagree with the rest of your post. I can guess which part of Madison you mean based on visits to see my brother when he went to school there.
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Actually...

A childhood best friend is a cop in Joliet and a current friend was a cop/swat in Chicago and the way they tell it, I'm spot on. They say that in many places that they had to patrol it was hard not to spot crimes and they had to let some things slide - typically pot if it didn't seem related to other worse things.

And to be fair, the cops always descended on the Dead & Phish shows (Another place where it was fish in a barrel) that I went to and they had field days coz hippies/heads weren't as discreet as they should have been.

I was.


The heads were disproportionately targeted, but you know what? They were breaking the law... and being stupid/obvious about it.



PS - There are numerous pockets in Madison where (very) low income housing is adjacent to neighborhoods. Fortunately, I no longer live in one of those neighborhoods.
 
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SJHovey said:
But just because no one has yet provided me with these answers, I don't immediately assume wrongdoing on the part of the cops. But others have, and because they feel they have this right and are being denied, they have been taking action which has necessarily lead to confrontation with the authorities. I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go around, and people are right to question the judgment of the police, but the fact remains that if everyone would go back to their homes and jobs, or whatever it is they do, the "riots" would end and we could maybe move forward with trying to get some answers.
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I agree with pretty much the entire post, which is why I'm just gonna focus on this part. You're right that some just assume the cops did what they did out of malice and were wrong etc. But again, I think a lot of this has to due with a more general distrust of FPD and Michael Brown is just sorta the catalyst. Riots don't generally start out of nowhere and while it would be great if everyone could get along and stop the looting and violence, it's just not realistic.

Why would a cop with no apparent history of violence or police brutality or race related incidents suddenly, during the middle of a sunny day, decide to go on a rampage against an 18 year old kid?
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Also another thing worth noting, the FPD didn't keep track of any officer related use of force up until like 4 years ago. And their method of tracking complaints is abysmal. So there's no recorded complaint of the girl who got maced and was told (by officer Wilson) to "shut the F up and sit the F down" when she tried to pour milk in her eyes.
 
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I'm confused a bit. In the press conference today done by the attorney for Brown's parents, the medical examiner they hired described all of the shots as entering the front of the body. Although, one on the outside of the arm could have been from behind but they don't know. Then the attorney gets up and claims the same graph shows Brown was shot from behind and all of the exit wounds are up front. Yet, there are no entry wounds on the back of his body based on their graph.
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
I'm confused a bit. In the press conference today done by the attorney for Brown's parents, the medical examiner they hired described all of the shots as entering the front of the body. Although, one on the outside of the arm could have been from behind but they don't know. Then the attorney gets up and claims the same graph shows Brown was shot from behind and all of the exit wounds are up front. Yet, there are no entry wounds on the back of his body based on their graph.
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Add to that, the body is facing towards the police vehicles when you see his body on the street. There's no blood visible on the back of his shirt, which is odd if he was shot in the back.
 
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That's just how nefarious Ferguson police are...

They can shoot you in the back from the front.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
That's just how nefarious Ferguson police are...

They can shoot you in the back from the front.
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not only that, they can shoot you in the arms when you have your hands raised over your head, yet somehow the bullets go through the flesh of your arms into your torso.....
 
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TO: Ban Ki Moon, Secretary General of the UN
FM: Old Pio
RE: Your comments on the situation in Ferguson, MO.


Go fcuk yourself.
Strong message to follow.
 
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Its interesting how this case has changed over time. Typical, folks jump to conclusions before anything is really known. Is Mike Nifong in Ferguson?
 
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St. Clown said:
Add to that, the body is facing towards the police vehicles when you see his body on the street. There's no blood visible on the back of his shirt, which is odd if he was shot in the back.
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Back and to the left. Back and to the left.
 
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walrus said:
Its interesting how this case has changed over time. Typical, folks jump to conclusions before anything is really known. Is Mike Nifong in Ferguson?
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The only thing that hasn't changed is the lack of an official story from FPD (although bits and pieces have trickled out), and that's ultimately the only detail that really matters.

The way some of what actually has been revealed is looking, it's starting to look like we can all guess what the official story will be.
 
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walrus said:
Its interesting how this case has changed over time. Typical, folks jump to conclusions before anything is really known. Is Mike Nifong in Ferguson?
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The application of lethal force against any citizen, under any circumstances, needs to be thoroughly investigated. We've been told FPD didn't have cameras in cars. What about tasers? If he'd had one, Officer Wilson could have ended the encounter differently.

These BFD racial situations almost always wind up as less than what meets the eye. Tawana Brawley, Duke, Trayvon, Jena, La et al were presented initially as one kind of event. It was only after the passage of time that they turned out to be another kind of event. Truth, context and balance all trailed behind the PR. I've encountered this professionally. Media are sympathetic to claims that people are being treated badly and want to provide some balance. And can be badly suckered in their coverage. This very understandable impulse can result in propaganda rather than reporting. Before he changed his name to Kwame Ture, Stokely Carmichael of the Student Non Violent co-ordinating Committee was once asked how many people were in his organization. I paraphrase his answer: "42 brothers and 123 white national reporters."
 
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Old Pio said:
The application of lethal force against any citizen, under any circumstances, needs to be thoroughly investigated. We've been told FPD didn't have cameras in cars. What about tasers? If he'd had one, Officer Wilson could have ended the encounter differently.
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That's one thing I wondered as well.
 
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Old Pio said:
The application of lethal force against any citizen, under any circumstances, needs to be thoroughly investigated. We've been told FPD didn't have cameras in cars. What about tasers? If he'd had one, Officer Wilson could have ended the encounter differently.
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I'm sure the taser question will get answered.
 
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