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Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

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ShirtlessBob said:
USA Swimming bans Brock Turner for LIFE, meaning his swimming career is over.
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So they nicked his balls with a razor - big whoop. The problem is, he can still breed, and apply this same good ol' boy, "20 minutes of action" philosophy of fatherhood that he learned from his own pathetic excuse for a father, to his own progeny. More future rapists.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
An American? We've had borders and governments since the Greeks. Got nothing to do with being American. I was trying to understand the other side of it. Either way I come to the same conclusion. I do not understand, nor will I ever understand what the ****ing hell we're doing over there. It makes less sense than Vietnam and Korea.
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You cant understand the other side of because you have never lived it. (nor have any of us which is why we screw everything up over there) We like to assume if we get rid of the jerk in charge they will see what we have and want it. Problem is they didnt want it during the Roman Empire, they didnt want it during the Crusades, they didnt want it during the World Wars and they dont want it now. They are who they are.

And yes, we should never be there. Our presence is exasperating the issue. The more they see us the more they rebel against that type of change.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
USA Swimming bans Brock Turner for LIFE, meaning his swimming career is over.
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That poor kid...and to think all he did was rape a girl and get caught! I hope his feelings arent too hurt...
 
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Orlando death toll is going to be higher than 50. My daughter's hairdresser died within the last few hours. She knew many of the people -- lots of them were Disney employees.

She had just moved from Orlando a few weeks ago.
 
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Well if you ask the Texas Lt. Governor they all earned it...
 
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Handyman said:
You cant understand the other side of because you have never lived it. (nor have any of us which is why we screw everything up over there) We like to assume if we get rid of the jerk in charge they will see what we have and want it. Problem is they didnt want it during the Roman Empire, they didnt want it during the Crusades, they didnt want it during the World Wars and they dont want it now. They are who they are.

And yes, we should never be there. Our presence is exasperating the issue. The more they see us the more they rebel against that type of change.
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Oh but if we get out, heaven forbid you're "destroying jobs" in the military-industrial complex, needing to charge $20,000 for a hammer...
 
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<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Letter-from-Brock-Turner-s-mother-to-judge-8090828.php">Brock Turner's mother wrote a letter too</a>, and she's a piece of work. Her little angel shouldn't possibly have to suffer CONSEQUENCES for his actions. Heavens, that would make him suffer for the rest of his life! For... something of which he's unarguably guilty. He TEXTED PICTURES TO HIS FRIENDS for pete's sake. Lady, your son is not a little angel. He's a rapist. What would they be saying if someone had done this to their daughter? Would they want a more lenient sentence if the offender was a Boy Scout?

People suck. Makes you want to never leave the house.
 
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jen said:
<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Letter-from-Brock-Turner-s-mother-to-judge-8090828.php">Brock Turner's mother wrote a letter too</a>, and she's a piece of work. Her little angel shouldn't possibly have to suffer CONSEQUENCES for his actions.
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This one and affluenza boy's mom must be a real hoot together at PTA meetings.
 
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I have a question about this kind of case. Would it be possible to require a sort of (and I have no idea what else to call it) reverse affirmative action in sentencing? Bear with me.

If this was a black kid from the hood, I have zero doubts he gets 15-20. Is there a way to have a more formulaic approach where white people have to be sentenced within half a standard deviation of the average sentence of the average black person convicted of the same crime with similar criminal backgrounds?

Same thing with poor and rich offenders.

This is crazy and I'm not sure I like it either. But obviously there is a crazy gap in what these rich white kids are getting and what poor minorities are getting.

Is this even constitutional?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I have a question about this kind of case. Would it be possible to require a sort of (and I have no idea what else to call it) reverse affirmative action in sentencing? Bear with me.

If this was a black kid from the hood, I have zero doubts he gets 15-20. Is there a way to have a more formulaic approach where white people have to be sentenced within half a standard deviation of the average sentence of the average black person convicted of the same crime with similar criminal backgrounds?

Same thing with poor and rich offenders.

This is crazy and I'm not sure I like it either. But obviously there is a crazy gap in what these rich white kids are getting and what poor minorities are getting.

Is this even constitutional?
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You do not want to open that box. The ramifications in our sue-happy and litigious society would be ginormous. Edit: it is all about the quality of lawyers in many cases.....
 
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Right. But if person A committed a rape and person B committed rape under similar circumstances and with a similar rap sheet, person A and B should receive the same sentences.
 
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I agree, and I like that you are thinking outside the box on this one, but what you are proposing would probably cause wayyyyyyyyy more problems than it would solve.
 
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Would it? It's immediate sentencing reform. Either the crazy disproportionate sentences minorities receive go down or white and/or rich sentencing never sees a Stanford case again.
 
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There is one set of rules for the rich and one set of rules for the not rich. That is never going to change.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Would it? It's immediate sentencing reform. Either the crazy disproportionate sentences minorities receive go down or white and/or rich sentencing never sees a Stanford case again.
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I'm thinking more along the lines of the appeals, additional lawsuits (I got this because I'm [insert whatever]), etc etc. Then the public outcry on the original cases, as well as the appeals/additional cases. I think it would go exponential, and that's just not good.
 
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If you ever get in trouble with the law, hire more attorney than you can possibly afford.
 
The Sicatoka said:
If you ever get in trouble with the law, hire more attorney than you can possibly afford.
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But be careful if you let someone else foot your legal bills (or you foot the bill for someone else), because you run into issues where what the person paying wants is not necessarily what's best for the actual client.

My wife says she's seen plenty of letters of support written for her clients that are way worse than what the dad in the Stanford case wrote. And she would've never let the dad's letter see the light of day. But then she's paid by the state, not dad, so she could tell the dad to fark off without worry.
 
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