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Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

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Kepler said:
As a supporter of BLM I agree with this. The civil rights movement tended to do thing that raised public awareness and provoked racist aggression but did not impede large numbers of unaligned or sympathetic citizens. Occupy did the same thing (which tells us that just having the right tactics doesn't always guarantee a win). BLM could do many things to shame the cops and appeal to the general public -- in principle they probably have an enormous majority of support even despite all the smearing being done by the usual idiots and their media enablers. But so far at least they haven't been smart. They need an MLK leader.
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You and Goldy are pretty much on the same page I am.
 
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Dirtbags of the world unite.

Supporters of the Islamic State terrorist group are urging American sympathizers to try to instigate more anti-government demonstrations like last week’s armed takeover of a federal building in rural eastern Oregon.

A Twitter posting addressed to members of the Islamic State community describes the ongoing occupation by armed rancher Ammon Bundy and his fellow activists as a “key opportunity,” and suggests that Islamists should do what they can to help them.
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SJHovey said:
Largely a product of where you live. For most of us the Federal government owns a tiny or relatively small amount of land in our state. You get to places like Oregon, Utah or Nevada, we're talking 65-80% of the land in the state.
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But as mentioned before, it's almost entirely economically useless land.

Meanwhile, the roach motel continues to do its job. Give it another weekend, then send in the B-2s.
 
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Dumb question, but how much of these "Obama administration" problems the Oregon ranchers are b*tching about is legislation actually drummed up by Obama/Executive Branch and how much really was started by the Republican lead Legislative Branch?
 
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aparch said:
Dumb question, but how much of these "Obama administration" problems the Oregon ranchers are b*tching about is legislation actually drummed up by Obama/Executive Branch and how much really was started by the Republican lead Legislative Branch?
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I suspect most of it goes back many administrations. The core federal land reserve laws go back to the 30s, and the BLM charter and process goes back to the 60s.

The morons are all in a huff now because of the Scary Black Man, but if they have a bone to pick with anybody it's probably John Muir. Or Henry Thoreau. Or William Wordsworth.
 
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aparch said:
Dumb question, but how much of these "Obama administration" problems the Oregon ranchers are b*tching about is legislation actually drummed up by Obama/Executive Branch and how much really was started by the Republican lead Legislative Branch?
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Irrelevant when you're dealing with pea-brains who think Obama is running the country entirely by executive diktat.
 
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Kepler said:
The morons are all in a huff now because of the Scary Black Man, but if they have a bone to pick with anybody it's probably John Muir. Or Henry Thoreau. Or William Wordsworth.
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Those are the guys who run the New World Order, right?
 
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SJHovey said:
Largely a product of where you live. For most of us the Federal government owns a tiny or relatively small amount of land in our state. You get to places like Oregon, Utah or Nevada, we're talking 65-80% of the land in the state.
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Maine is completely the opposite. The federal government owns less than 2% of the land in Maine. The state government owns less than 10%. About 90% of Maine is privately owned, including the "North Maine Woods", the largest undeveloped area east of the Mississippi. That might be the lowest percentage of public lands of any state. Most of the north woods were purchased from Massachusetts and Maine by wealthy 'timber Barrons'. It was thought that after the land was cleared, it would become attractive for settlers but it turned out much of is was poor for farming. The trees regrew, and eventually most of the land became working forest for a handful of paper companies. These companies allowed nearly unlimited public use of the land. People were free to hunt and fish, they leased lakefront camp lots (for very little money). Lately land has been changing hands much more frequently (previously large tracts of land hundreds of thousands of acres in size may have been under the same ownership for a hundred years), some land gets subdivided, some smaller tracts get 'Posted' (meaning use by landowner permission only, the default is for unimproved land to be public access). This is a problem because prime recreational lands are privately owned with no guarantee of continued access. One former governor spent his fortune and large part of is life to purchase around 200,000 acres of land around Maine's tallest mountain to create a park (Baxter State Park). In recent times, the state has spent millions of dollars to purchase easements to protect access to certain recreational and scenic areas. The Appalachian Mountain Club has been purchasing land along the "100 Mile Wilderness" section of the AT to protect it from development. And one woman is purchasing land next to Baxter State Park with the intent of donating it to the National Park Service. You can imagine the reaction from the rednecks that just assume the tradition of free use of private land for hunting, fishing, and snowmobiling will go on forever. They are all worked up over a 'federal takeover' of 'their' land although it is a tiny percentage (millions of acres are still privately timberland). I'd actually like more federal ownership of some key recreational and scenic areas of Maine, we're spending millions of dollars to protect land that probably should have just been public to begin with.
 
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BassAle said:
Maine is completely the opposite. The federal government owns less than 2% of the land in Maine. The state government owns less than 10%. About 90% of Maine is privately owned, including the "North Maine Woods", the largest undeveloped area east of the Mississippi. That might be the lowest percentage of public lands of any state. Most of the north woods were purchased from Massachusetts and Maine by wealthy 'timber Barrons'. It was thought that after the land was cleared, it would become attractive for settlers but it turned out much of is was poor for farming. The trees regrew, and eventually most of the land became working forest for a handful of paper companies. These companies allowed nearly unlimited public use of the land. People were free to hunt and fish, they leased lakefront camp lots (for very little money). Lately land has been changing hands much more frequently (previously large tracts of land hundreds of thousands of acres in size may have been under the same ownership for a hundred years), some land gets subdivided, some smaller tracts get 'Posted' (meaning use by landowner permission only, the default is for unimproved land to be public access). This is a problem because prime recreational lands are privately owned with no guarantee of continued access. One former governor spent his fortune and large part of is life to purchase around 200,000 acres of land around Maine's tallest mountain to create a park (Baxter State Park). In recent times, the state has spent millions of dollars to purchase easements to protect access to certain recreational and scenic areas. The Appalachian Mountain Club has been purchasing land along the "100 Mile Wilderness" section of the AT to protect it from development. And one woman is purchasing land next to Baxter State Park with the intent of donating it to the National Park Service. You can imagine the reaction from the rednecks that just assume the tradition of free use of private land for hunting, fishing, and snowmobiling will go on forever. They are all worked up over a 'federal takeover' of 'their' land although it is a tiny percentage (millions of acres are still privately timberland). I'd actually like more federal ownership of some key recreational and scenic areas of Maine, we're spending millions of dollars to protect land that probably should have just been public to begin with.
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The Adirondack Park is very similar, as there is a lot of private land. The underlying issue, which causes much irk, is that government agencies act very akin to the board of a Home Owners Association. I know there are several that make the "Get off my lawn!" joke, but it's basically the case. Right now, we are seeing a challenge to the potential discrepancy associated with it, and there are some that feel ownership should be transferred in order to "eliminate the loophole".
 
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SJHovey said:
Largely a product of where you live. For most of us the Federal government owns a tiny or relatively small amount of land in our state. You get to places like Oregon, Utah or Nevada, we're talking 65-80% of the land in the state.
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The big benefit to the federal/states owning all of that land is the accessibility. When I went back to Minnesota to do some hiking and such a couple summers ago, I was astonished how little open land there was for backpacking. Outside of kayaking Voyageurs Nat'l Park (which I did), there weren't a lot of options. You head to Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Oregon, etc and you've got miles after miles of open land and trails to hike. Sure you hit some private property on those trails but it's an incredible way to explore the great American west.
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
The big benefit to the federal/states owning all of that land is the accessibility. When I went back to Minnesota to do some hiking and such a couple summers ago, I was astonished how little open land there was for backpacking. Outside of kayaking Voyageurs Nat'l Park (which I did), there weren't a lot of options. You head to Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Oregon, etc and you've got miles after miles of open land and trails to hike. Sure you hit some private property on those trails but it's an incredible way to explore the great American west.
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If that's the only option you found in Minnesota, you really didn't try very hard. Just saying. There's oodles of public access land in this state.
 
SJHovey said:
Largely a product of where you live. For most of us the Federal government owns a tiny or relatively small amount of land in our state. You get to places like Oregon, Utah or Nevada, we're talking 65-80% of the land in the state.
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And in places like Oregon, Utah, Nevada, or Alaska that 65-80% of the land is uninhabitable in some form or another.
 
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The people have spoken. (Again, neglect not the Comments)
 
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