Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

[omahasioux1]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Not any candidate you support. It must really chap your *** doesnt it

BTW who did you vote for in 2000...

Perot, was that the right year?

 

[omahasioux1]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

I'm thinking this would be a great time for a little drone demonstration.


Yeah neck, how'd you're little arsenal work out for ya?

Ferguson would have been a good place to test a drone. Bunkerville also.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

You are correct. They are controlling a building that nobody probably will use till spring. They are not stopping you from going on vacation, going to work, burning your company, burning your car, assaulting news people, yelling to kill cops.

Isn't that cute.

You thought I was defending rioters.


I'm saying that armed men squatting on private or public property, armed and brandishing weapons, taking and moving heavy equipment that isn't theirs to create barricades and claiming that they won't go home peacefully are not simply "blocking a street."

It matters not whether someone will use that property until spring. They're breaking the law and doing so while (possibly) heavily armed.


And the point of my drone strike quip is that some "militia" types who stockpile weaponry claim to do so for the day when the federal government turns against us. My point is that whatever stockpile you may have won't be enough should the fantasy-land government crackdown ever come. You're as toast as someone who has a baseball bat for his weapon.


Get some sleep.

 

[omahasioux1]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Isn't that cute.

You thought I was defending rioters.


I'm saying that armed men squatting on private or public property, armed and brandishing weapons, taking and moving heavy equipment that isn't theirs to create barricades and claiming that they won't go home peacefully are not simply "blocking a street."

It matters not whether someone will use that property until spring. They're breaking the law and doing so while (possibly) heavily armed.


And the point of my drone strike quip is that some "militia" types who stockpile weaponry claim to do so for the day when the federal government turns against us. My point is that whatever stockpile you may have won't be enough should the fantasy-land government crackdown ever come. You're as toast as someone who has a baseball bat for his weapon.


Get some sleep.

Whoosh.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Summer soldiers.

 

[alfablue]

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You are correct. They are controlling a building that nobody probably will use till spring. They are not stopping you from going on vacation, going to work, burning your company, burning your car, assaulting news people, yelling to kill cops.

Are you saying that an armed occupation of a building is ok, just because it does not impose on anyone?

BTW, they have said that they will shoot cops. So you can take off the last part.

 

[SJHovey]

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Are you saying that an armed occupation of a building is ok, just because it does not impose on anyone?

BTW, they have said that they will shoot cops. So you can take off the last part.

I'm too lazy too go back and look for the news stories, but aren't these the same clowns that pointed guns at the feds in Nevada, threatened to shoot them if the feds didn't get off the federal land being grazed by Bundy, and the Feds complied?

Let's assume they are. Let's also assume that the Feds acted appropriately showing some restraint in Nevada by attempting to defuse the situation by backing down, as opposed to just sending in the army as some here suggest.

But my question is this. Why weren't they just quietly arrested later on as they're sitting in a cafe eating breakfast or something? I assume it's illegal to threaten to shoot a federal law enforcement officer. These people are also not just holed up in a bunker somewhere, since apparently they were marching in a parade a week or so ago. Seems to me like a good opportunity for Mr. Obama to actually do something effective to control gun violence in this country if he'd have sent his boys out to pick the Bundys up at the local Pump N Dump last summer.

 

[geezer]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Black Lives Matter wants the police to stop murdering unarmed people. Bundy wants to steal taxpayer property and then somewhere down the line start a Sovereign Citizen revolution against the government.

Somehow I just don't see the equivalence.

don't, won't, or can't? If they weren't crackers would you take a little more time to understand the actual complaint about mandatory minimums? In your view, are "threats of violence against cops" more or less valid based on the race of the protester? Keeping in mind that both groups are armed, both have "stolen"/occupied state property, and that neither has actually followed through with the bloodshed (maybe a few cars were burned in Ferguson, but the media-pumped ARMAGEDDON somehow never seems to happen).
I just think ignoring them would solve the problem a lot faster than drone strikes and whatnot. Turning off the lights was about as dramatic as I think we need to get.

 

[alfablue]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

don't, won't, or can't? If they weren't crackers would you take a little more time to understand the actual complaint about mandatory minimums? In your view, are "threats of violence against cops" more or less valid based on the race of the protester? Keeping in mind that both groups are armed, both have "stolen"/occupied state property, and that neither has actually followed through with the bloodshed (maybe a few cars were burned in Ferguson, but the media-pumped ARMAGEDDON somehow never seems to happen).
I just think ignoring them would solve the problem a lot faster than drone strikes and whatnot. Turning off the lights was about as dramatic as I think we need to get.

Wait, are you suggesting that the argument about mandatory minimums is close to one asking the police not to shoot unarmed people?

Also, you suggest that the organizers of the Black Lives Matter movement are armed during their protests- I've not seen that. Do you have evidence behind that?

Maybe some of the people who are coming are armed, but this group in Oregon are asking people to come, armed, to them and start something. I have yet to see BLM organizers ask people to come, armed, to protests.

This group crossed the line when they took over a building telling people that they are armed, and intend to fight.

As for the taking land- yes, BLM people have occupied buildings (unarmed, FWIW), but their demands are not free access to public lands so that their means of profit are given free resources. That's one of the demands coming from Oregon- and as a tax payer, I don't think it's fair that they get free food for their cows. IMHO, this argument is a bigger one than the mandatory minimum. The latter seems like they are catching a movement that's already going on just to get more people on their side. Again, it's a fair argument. The whole land access for free is not.

 

[unofan]

You are correct. They are controlling a building that nobody probably will use till spring. They are not stopping you from going on vacation, going to work, burning your company, burning your car, assaulting news people, yelling to kill cops.

Threatening to kill FBI agents or anyone else who tries to stop them isn't yelling to kill cops?

You're right, they're just fighting to steal government property for themselves. Clearly people who deserve your support.

 

[geezer]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Wait, are you suggesting that the argument about mandatory minimums is close to one asking the police not to shoot unarmed people?

Also, you suggest that the organizers of the Black Lives Matter movement are armed during their protests- I've not seen that. Do you have evidence behind that?

Maybe some of the people who are coming are armed, but this group in Oregon are asking people to come, armed, to them and start something. I have yet to see BLM organizers ask people to come, armed, to protests.

This group crossed the line when they took over a building telling people that they are armed, and intend to fight.

As for the taking land- yes, BLM people have occupied buildings (unarmed, FWIW), but their demands are not free access to public lands so that their means of profit are given free resources. That's one of the demands coming from Oregon- and as a tax payer, I don't think it's fair that they get free food for their cows. IMHO, this argument is a bigger one than the mandatory minimum. The latter seems like they are catching a movement that's already going on just to get more people on their side. Again, it's a fair argument. The whole land access for free is not.

You're probably right on all these details - I'm too lazy to read the details so I'll take your word for it. But when I made the comment about being armed I was thinking more specifically of the threatened and actual violence during Ferguson riots than BLM in general. Still, I don't know they were using guns so I'll shut up now.
In general, the Oregon nuts are probably completely despicable but I'm still leery of the mob mentality calling for a war to eradicate them with drones.

We had an interesting case here in MI a few weeks ago. Some student threatened to "shoot all the black people" and it was re-tweeted (re-yikyaked) at a number of college campuses. The students were traced and arrested. Some were charged with terrorism. The one here at Tech was charged with "disturbing the peace." There was an uproar you wouldn't believe with candlelight vigils, marches on the DA's office, mass student protests, etc. Which is all fine, but there were a lot of people calling for the perp's life - they would have lynched him if they could. I always want to resist that mob mentality until people have time to think about it and cool off. They did cool off, and many of the loudest protesters are now saying he was simply a prankster whose tweet was just shaded slightly further over the line than thousands of insane rants that show up on yikyak every day, and his life shouldn't be ruined over it with a felony conviction and prison time, let alone lynching. (one comment from a university administrator was, "you should see some of the other stuff that shows up on yikyak") (also the student is black, which again, in my opinion, shouldn't really matter in where you come down on this)

 

[Foxton]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Go to hell...no really just go.

No, these *******s have harassed me with ****head comments like that for years now. I wish them ill. I seriously wish that bad things would happen to them. Especially if they want to act like they have some moral high ground because I'm sick of their garbage.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

No, these *******s have harassed me with ****head comments like that for years now. I wish them ill. I seriously wish that bad things would happen to them. Especially if they want to act like they have some moral high ground because I'm sick of their garbage.

Yes, nothing's ever your fault. It's not the manner in which you interact with people on here, it's always their fault.

You're like my niece, it's always something that's been done to her as to why she acts the way she does, it's never someone responding to her in kind.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Yes, nothing's ever your fault. It's not the manner in which you interact with people on here, it's always their fault.

You're like my niece, it's always something that's been done to her as to why she acts the way she does, it's never someone responding to her in kind.

Yes I'm at fault for you and other people like you following me around and making off topic insults like that, for almost a decade.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Yes I'm at fault for you and other people like you following me around and making off topic insults like that, for almost a decade.

People follow you around on this board? Outside of three or so continual iteration threads in which we both participate in the Café, I have no idea where else you post on this board.

 

[unofan]

People follow you around on this board? Outside of three or so continual iteration threads in which we both participate in the Café, I have no idea where else you post on this board.

As someone who has been accused of following another poster around on this board, it amazes me when people get upset that others a) read their comment on a message board and b) respond to them.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

don't, won't, or can't? If they weren't crackers would you take a little more time to understand the actual complaint about mandatory minimums? In your view, are "threats of violence against cops" more or less valid based on the race of the protester? Keeping in mind that both groups are armed, both have "stolen"/occupied state property, and that neither has actually followed through with the bloodshed (maybe a few cars were burned in Ferguson, but the media-pumped ARMAGEDDON somehow never seems to happen).
I just think ignoring them would solve the problem a lot faster than drone strikes and whatnot. Turning off the lights was about as dramatic as I think we need to get.

I agree with you about just cutting them off and starving / freezing them out. There's no reason to give them the Turner Diaries fight they crave. Let General Winter take care of it and then sweep around and pick them off for the various felonies they've rolled up, one by one, over the next few years. And for goodness sake pull their existing subsidies.

The rest of your post just leaves me shaking my head. I know there are people out there who have convinced themselves that Black Lives Matter is some sort of militant dangerous boogeyman which is lying about their reason for existence (bringing to public attention the disparity in which black and white suspects are treated by law enforcement) and actually plots to Kill Whitey and besmirch the noble name of the thin blue line that protects the sanctity of our white women, but I didn't think I'd ever actually meet one.

BLM appears to me to be 99.9% sincere, 99.9% peaceful, and 99.9% right. I am certain they are portrayed as the Scary Darkie Horde Oh God Hide Your Women and Grab Your Guns!!! on right-wing idiocy outlets, but I also think given the track record of those outlets only a sucker would believe anything they try to put across.

In contrast, I think the Bundies are 99.9% sincere, 99.9% violent, and 99.9% wrong. That's what I'm basing my difference of reaction on. Not race.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Go to hell...no really just go.

I really couldn't care less, it's not a big deal. Foxton always overreacts when I call her out on her bullsh*t shtick.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

As someone who has been accused of following another poster around on this board, it amazes me when people get upset that others a) read their comment on a message board and b) respond to them.

I just can't imagine the mindset of someone thinking that they're being stalked on a board, or the converse, of someone even thinking about stalking another poster. It's just baffling, and if it gets to that point it might be time to take a self-imposed timeout to get some new perspective on things.

 

[geezer]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

The rest of your post just leaves me shaking my head. I know there are people out there who have convinced themselves that Black Lives Matter is some sort of militant dangerous boogeyman which is lying about their reason for existence (bringing to public attention the disparity in which black and white suspects are treated by law enforcement) and actually plots to Kill Whitey and besmirch the noble name of the thin blue line that protects the sanctity of our white women, but I didn't think I'd ever actually meet one.

My take was that they're simply people protesting for personal freedom and dignity which is perfectly understandable. In fact it was my own point that extreme vilification of the protesters is the problem and the obstacle to progress, not the protesters themselves. I think the rest of this rant is your paranoia talking inside your head. I didn't say anything about "militant dangerous boogeyman" etc. etc. which you falsely claim. You're arguing with a phantom.
Or did you quote the wrong person?

If we step back from the individual protests (and the often unlikable protesters like torch-wielding rioters and crazy mormons) to the level of forming public opinion, the people on side A and side B could make good progress together fighting against the real injustices of a heavy-handed government (shooting black people, mandatory minimums, etc. etc.) if they would do less of the hate and more of the understanding. The sensational media is a big part of this problem of course.