Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Your move, Capt. Moroni...



I can't be the only person hoping this degenerates into cannibalism.

We can only hope.

 

[French Rage]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/daddysworeanoath-is-the-best-way-to-mock-those-oregon-1751142014

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Like I said, that's probably sedition, but I think terrorism is a very specific thing: using violence to terrorize innocent civilians in an attempt to influence politics. The guy who lobs a Molotov cocktail at a mosque is a terrorist. The guy who occupies the local library and won't let anybody in until the county promises to burn all the copies of the Koran is a trespasser and a public nuisance and an a-hole, but he's not a terrorist.

I understand there is a threat of violence here, but the threat is about the removal of the protesters, and it's against law enforcement and not civilians.

These are important distinctions because on terrorism the public has lost its mind and traded all our freedoms and privacy for the illusion of safety, and it is vital that betrayal of our civil liberties not be extended to anything else. While it's just terrorism there's a path back if there is a big reduction in the terrorist threat over the next century or so. If it just becomes SOP for all law enforcement then we are lost.

This is a very good post.

When everything is described as terrorism, then the significance of terrorism is lost.

These idiots invaded and occupied a rest stop 100 miles from the nearest road. My guess is they quintupled the number of visitors to the site over the past five years.

Somebody posted that the Feds are afraid because of Waco (and, presumably, Ruby Ridge). This kind of nonsense from the sovereign citizen types has been going on longer than that. At a minimum you can go back to Gordon Kahl and his shootouts with the Feds in North Dakota, and later, Arkansas, in the early 80's. A gun battle is precisely what these guys want. They want an excuse to use their guns. They want to be a martyr.

Gordon Kahl wandered around small towns in my "neck of the woods" of North Dakota for years, without harming anyone, and without anyone getting harmed. People wouldn't be rude to him when he would sit down to have a cup of coffee, just sit and nod politely. But no one was buying the nonsense he was spouting. But the minute the Feds had enough and decided to send in an armed posse to capture him for not filing his latest 1040 EZ, the bad guys got killed, the feds got killed, and innocent people got killed.

BLM wants to occupy a wildlife refuge in the middle of Montana or Wyoming or Idaho or whereever, have at it. Ain't no one going out there anyway.

Oddly enough, the old Trautman line is accurate. Ignore them. Let them go. Put out an APD and pick em up in a few weeks in a car wash in Seattle.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Oddly enough, the old Trautman line is accurate. Ignore them. Let them go. Put out an APD and pick em up in a few weeks in a car was in Seattle.

I had to look this up:

What we do with the psychopath?
Let him go.
What?
For now. Defuse the situation, defuse him. Let him get away. You'll soon find him in Seattle, working in a car wash. That way no-one gets hurt.

I was thinking of Roger Troutman.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

We’d all do better to focus on forging red-blue alliances to address injustices of common concern rather than behaving as if it is either useful or morally righteous to denounce, demonize, and dehumanize the members of opposing ideological tribes.

Said by no conservative anywhere since at least 9/11/2001. The red-blue alliance you hope for (and one we all should) should start with agreeing these asshats need to vacate the premises and then move on from there.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Your move, Capt. Moroni...

Seriously? Does this mouthbreather think he's a "real Native American"?

 

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Seriously? Does this mouthbreather think he's a "real Native American"?

He's a genuine sweetheart.

 

[joecct]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

He's a genuine sweetheart.

I was wondering if Rev. Al was in the vicinity?

 

[omahasioux1]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Yep. And vandalized the precinct building. And chased down and tried to destroy civilian vehicles trying to avoid their blockade. And called for violence against police. And absolutely no media made any comparisons to terrorism whatsoever.

What mainstream media exactly is calling these Bundy nutjobs "Patriots"? I'm curious.

My point exactly.

 

[omahasioux1]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

They brought snipers last time and threatened federal officers...yeah you are right these guys are the White Martin Luther King

And Obama stood down. Everybody on this planet has owned this weak pos.

 

[geezer]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Ya know I see protests for this all the time shouted down by the masses...of course the victims of the minimums look quite different. Now you are defending a terrorist (treasonous) act with the same BS because it is a bunch of rednecks in Oregon. Yeah no I cant see why black people think most Whites are racist at all...

Can you not see the double standard...would half the people defending or ignoring this be doing so if it was the BLM movement doing the same thing?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending terrorism/treason. Your emotions got the best of you when you started to read and you didn't finish. The double standard is exactly what I was pointing out. The rednecks and the BLM et al should stop and think about how much they have in common, and all the government overreach could be pushed back instead of this fighting over what group it should be applied to.
The trouble is the spokespeople get so pumped up by the media that common ground is nearly impossible to point out. The ultra-scary militia terrorists in the woods that are about to DESTROY US ALL are just some simple-minded rednecks trying to get attention. The BLM "rioting cop killers" are just poor people that want to be heard and treated fairly. Don't buy the hype about having to bomb them etc. At root they all had valid complaints that are about personal freedom and dignity.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

At root they all had valid complaints that are about personal freedom and dignity.

Black Lives Matter wants the police to stop murdering unarmed people. Bundy wants to steal taxpayer property and then somewhere down the line start a Sovereign Citizen revolution against the government.

Somehow I just don't see the equivalence.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

So a group decided to camp out in a place they should not camp out. Something about authority/government trampling on their people and acting against them unjustifiably. We let them do it.


BLM or Y'allQaeda? Hm.


They really didn't charge BLM with trespassing/etc (I disagree with that), why should we charge these guys (again, disagree with not charging these guys with appropriate charges)?

Yes, it works both ways.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

So a group decided to camp out in a place they should not camp out. Something about authority/government trampling on their people and acting against them unjustifiably. We let them do it.


BLM or Y'allQaeda? Hm.


They really didn't charge BLM with trespassing/etc (I disagree with that), why should we charge these guys (again, disagree with not charging these guys with appropriate charges)?

Yes, it works both ways.

Nice example of how objective you are on the subject.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Nice example of how objective you are on the subject.

I am objective. Right now, all Y'allQaeda is doing is occupying an area that they are not supposed to occupy. Much like a public street that BLM occupied for 2+ weeks in Mpls, blocking traffic. (This was in front of a police dept, no less). They literally lived there for that time.

I said, arrest them, charge them with trespassing/related charges.

I say the same in this case. Arrest Y'allQaeda and charge them with the same charges.

If these OR rednecks up their actions, then authorities need to up the charges/etc.

That is fair, whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[joecct]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

North Korea set off an H-Bomb. Hit 5.1 on the Richter scale.

That's going to set the world aflutter!

 

[Foxton]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

I am objective. Right now, all Y'allQaeda is doing is occupying an area that they are not supposed to occupy. Much like a public street that BLM occupied for 2+ weeks in Mpls, blocking traffic. (This was in front of a police dept, no less). They literally lived there for that time.

I said, arrest them, charge them with trespassing/related charges.

I say the same in this case. Arrest Y'allQaeda and charge them with the same charges.

If these OR rednecks up their actions, then authorities need to up the charges/etc.

That is fair, whether you want to admit it or not.

You consistently equate BLM with violence and destruction, wildly blowing it out of proportion in much the same way major news organizations do. Not once have you ever made such a mild, wishy washy, pc description of any BLM protest than you just did for a legit armed group of white guys upset that a couple arsonists/poachers are going to serve time (and don't actually want anything to do with these jackanapes) that took over a federal building, claimed it for their own, and openly threaten that they will kill anyone who tries to get them to leave.

Even the clownshow republican candidates don't want to support these morons like they did with the dad. But somehow there's still some false equivalency that can be made to keep equating the two things as if they are two sides of the same kind of coin.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

You consistently equate BLM with violence and destruction, wildly blowing it out of proportion in much the same way major news organizations do. Not once have you ever made such a mild, wishy washy, pc description of any BLM protest than you just did for a legit armed group of white guys upset that a couple arsonists/poachers are going to serve time (and don't actually want anything to do with these jackanapes) that took over a federal building, claimed it for their own, and openly threaten that they will kill anyone who tries to get them to leave.

Even the clownshow republican candidates don't want to support these morons like they did with the dad. But somehow there's still some false equivalency that can be made to keep equating the two things as if they are two sides of the same kind of coin.

No I haven't, in reference to BLM. In fact, just a bit earlier in this thread I said only a small few actually upped the game with violence. I did say threats and such were made, and they were. And I supported more charges for them.

Try again.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

No I haven't, in reference to BLM. In fact, just a bit earlier in this thread I said only a small few actually upped the game with violence. I did say threats and such were made, and they were. And I supported more charges for them.

Try again.

Don't concern troll, you'll step on fishies toes.

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.p...-the-Curtain&p=6249307&viewfull=1#post6249307

But letting BLM occupy a public street (and at times block an interstate highway) for 2+ weeks, while vandalizing the police station, making threats to civilians, etc, is ok? And they weren't showing up every day. They quite literally LIVED IN TENTS in the middle of the street for a couple weeks.

Edit: MoaM: Avery is no saint, I think the series showed that. But in THIS particular case, the PD broke every rule in the book, and the DA/Dassey's first lawyer were pure scum.

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.p...-to-Get-Off!&p=6248891&viewfull=1#post6248891

As much as I hate BLM's tactics, there are only a few people truly raising hell in that group. The rest are causing simple non-violent, very annoying acts, like blocking streets. Right now, the OR group is simply "blocking a street." If they keep their word about non-violence? Ok, bust 'em for trespassing/related. If they escalate? Bring the thunder.

Same stance as I have/had for BLM.

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.p...-to-Get-Off!&p=6248528&viewfull=1#post6248528

BLM were making threats.

Don't get me wrong, F those Oregon nuts. Just pointing out that authorities should be consistent. And they won't be.

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.p...-to-Get-Off!&p=6239794&viewfull=1#post6239794

Only if we can do the same for the BLM movement.

People are treating the GOP the way certain people are treating the Muslims.

Just some of the first ones that popped up.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

Please show me in those quotes where I said that the OR crackers should be treated any differently than the BLM....



Yeah, still waiting.

And I repeat, treat them both the same, in accordance with whatever laws they are breaking.