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Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

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dxmnkd316 said:
I'm all about gray areas, but how can we have a double standard when it comes to the death of an unborn child.

Either it's murder or you can have legal abortion.
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Meh, states are carving out exceptions for physician assisted suicide and the like, too.

I think many such laws also depend on the viability of the fetus (in other words, it's only murder when abortion is off the table because it's too late)
 
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unofan said:
Meh, states are carving out exceptions for physician assisted suicide and the like, too.

I think many such laws also depend on the viability of the fetus (in other words, it's only murder when abortion is off the table because it's too late)
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These "double murder" laws are passed as a tactic in the ongoing attempt to legislatively overturn Roe v. Wade. They can't win in Court so they try an end run.

If we get a fifth sane justice a lot of these measures are going to start snapping back. The really obviously cynical laws that have forced all the clinic closings should get overturned, for instance. Maybe the new majority will have the chance to finally fix the grounding of the right in a way that's less assailable by the thumpers.
 
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Kepler said:
These "double murder" laws are passed as a tactic in the ongoing attempt to legislatively overturn Roe v. Wade. They can't win the in Court so they try an end run.
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I'll be honest, I have no problem with an asshat who kills a woman and an unborn child getting convicted of two crimes. If you don't think they should both be murder, whatever, but I've got no issue with the principle.
 
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unofan said:
I'll be honest, I have no problem with an asshat who kills a woman and an unborn child getting convicted of two crimes. If you don't think they should both be murder, whatever, but I've got no issue with the principle.
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That's exactly what is being depended on. They're using an emotional and indefensible act to Trojan Horse through their real agenda. It's like saying somebody who assaults you is also guilty of credit card fraud. Well, he's a criminal so f-ck him, right?
 
Kepler said:
That's exactly what is being depended on. They're using an emotional and indefensible act to Trojan Horse through their real agenda. It's like saying somebody who assaults you is also guilty of credit card fraud. Well, he's a criminal so f-ck him, right?
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If I punch you and you fall into someone else who hits their head on a table and dies, I'm still guilty of some form of homicide. You take your victims as they are.
 
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Kepler said:
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Is that The County?
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"The County" in Maine is Aroostook County (up north, potato and broccoli farms, forests, Franco-Americans -- I went to a college friend's wedding in Madawaska, which is the northern tip of Maine. The DJ announced everything in English and French). Androscoggin County is Lewiston/Auburn and a few surrounding towns. A fictional Androscoggin College is probably based on Bates College, which is in Lewiston.
 
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BassAle said:
"The County" in Maine is Aroostook County (up north, potato and broccoli farms, forests, Franco-Americans -- I went to a college friend's wedding in Madawaska, which is the northern tip of Maine. The DJ announced everything in English and French). Androscoggin County is Lewiston/Auburn and a few surrounding towns. A fictional Androscoggin College is probably based on Bate's College, which is in Lewiston.
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Which is why I confused it with Bowdoin.

Bowdoin, Bates, Colby, Middlebury, Williams -- they're all the same school and the different names are just a gag, right?
 
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Kepler said:
That's exactly what is being depended on. They're using an emotional and indefensible act to Trojan Horse through their real agenda. It's like saying somebody who assaults you is also guilty of credit card fraud. Well, he's a criminal so f-ck him, right?
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I think you're picking the wrong scenario in which to exaggerate some sort of conspiracy. I'm sure there are a handful of dopes who do think it's a double standard on an issue they see as being black-and-white. Fortunately, there's plenty of sane gray area for the majority to stand on.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I think you're picking the wrong scenario in which to exaggerate some sort of conspiracy. I'm sure there are a handful of dopes who do think it's a double standard on an issue they see as being black-and-white. Fortunately, there's plenty of sane gray area for the majority to stand on.
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It's not a conspiracy, it's a sales technique the Pro Life movement has always tried to use. You get the concept of the "unborn child" recognized by the state. Then you go to the Court and say, "See? they said it's an unborn child, right there in statute, so it's got rights under the 14th Amendment."

Because the details of the crime are so terrible no elected official wants to say, "now wait a minute -- that's only one murder." But that's exactly what it is, at least until the second trimester. In the first three months it isn't a child, it's a clump of cells.
 
Kepler said:
It's not a conspiracy, it's a sales technique the Pro Life movement has always tried to use. You get the concept of the "unborn child" recognized by the state. Then you go to the Court and say, "See? they said it's an unborn child, right there in statute, so it's got rights under the 14th Amendment."
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State laws cannot trump the federal constitution, so your worry is much ado about nothing.

Even the derpiest of derp judges can recognize the difference between an abortion and the crime of murder.
 
Kepler said:
Which is why I confused it with Bowdoin.

Bowdoin, Bates, Colby, Middlebury, Williams -- they're all the same school and the different names are just a gag, right?
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Ahem. That's like putting Cornell in the same breath as Harvard, Yale, and Princeton.
 
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Kepler said:
It's not a conspiracy, it's a sales technique the Pro Life movement has always tried to use. You get the concept of the "unborn child" recognized by the state. Then you go to the Court and say, "See? they said it's an unborn child, right there in statute, so it's got rights under the 14th Amendment."

Because the details of the crime are so terrible no elected official wants to say, "now wait a minute -- that's only one murder." But that's exactly what it is, at least until the second trimester. In the first three months it isn't a child, it's a clump of cells.
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I'm with Kep on this one.
 
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For the abortion-murder thing, I think the laws are there so that if the MOTHER chooses to abort the child, she made a choice.

If someone else decides to murder the mother and/or fetus, the mother didn't choose for that to happen, so it's murder.

That's my view of how the law decided what's what.
 
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Brenthoven said:
For the abortion-murder thing, I think the laws are there so that if the MOTHER chooses to abort the child, she made a choice.

If someone else decides to murder the mother and/or fetus, the mother didn't choose for that to happen, so it's murder.

That's my view of how the law decided what's what.
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That's the viewpoint I take as well. I don't agree with abortion however I don't think it's criminal to do so because it's the mother's choice. When someone takes that choice away and kills the "cells", that's when it steps into murder.
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
That's the viewpoint I take as well. I don't agree with abortion however I don't think it's criminal to do so because it's the mother's choice. When someone takes that choice away and kills the "cells", that's when it steps into murder.
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Nope, we can't have it both ways. If it's murder for the attacker then it's murder for the mother. And propagandizing that perception is all the law is for.
 
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Brenthoven said:
For the abortion-murder thing, I think the laws are there so that if the MOTHER chooses to abort the child, she made a choice.

If someone else decides to murder the mother and/or fetus, the mother didn't choose for that to happen, so it's murder.

That's my view of how the law decided what's what.
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So why have I seen news stories about women being arrested for killing their children? Not that I could understand why they'd want to do that, of course...
 
Kepler said:
Nope, we can't have it both ways. If it's murder for the attacker then it's murder for the mother. And propagandizing that perception is all the law is for.
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So one is like capital punishment and the other is your run of the mill street killing?
 
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