Re: Nice Planet, Part 2: A-holes on parade
Disgusting treatment of a Marine double amputee by a Delta flight crew.
Disgusting treatment of a Marine double amputee by a Delta flight crew.
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Nice Planet, Part 2: A-holes on parade
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Re: Nice Planet, Part 2: A-holes on parade
God d*mn it! Every Delta employee involved in this incident should be fired, retroactively (or as we used to say in the AF, busted back to your recruiter's office). And this young man should get a lifetime pass to fly First Class on Delta (like Ada Quonsett in "Airplane."). Disgusting. Who the h*ll do these people think they are, anyway? And don't give me any of that shim sham shimmy about security or "rules." They can go pound sand with that crap.
Not to be outdone, TSA responds with an incident of stupidity and pettiness. They're all in competition for the coveted Barney Fife award.
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God d*mn it! Every Delta employee involved in this incident should be fired, retroactively (or as we used to say in the AF, busted back to your recruiter's office). And this young man should get a lifetime pass to fly First Class on Delta (like Ada Quonsett in "Airplane."). Disgusting. Who the h*ll do these people think they are, anyway? And don't give me any of that shim sham shimmy about security or "rules." They can go pound sand with that crap.
Not to be outdone, TSA responds with an incident of stupidity and pettiness. They're all in competition for the coveted Barney Fife award.
http://www.therightscoop.com/child-...ampaign=Feed:+TheRightScoop+(The+Right+Scoop)
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Re: Nice Planet, Part 2: A-holes on parade
Union thug in Michigan picks an extraordinarily bad day to make threats against the Republican governor's young children. Not that there's ever a good day for this kind of politicking. These people truly disgust me.
Union thug in Michigan picks an extraordinarily bad day to make threats against the Republican governor's young children. Not that there's ever a good day for this kind of politicking. These people truly disgust me.
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This is all they have left. Intimidation, threats, riots, physical violence, destruction of property. This putz is a "reverand," does that make it worse?
This is all they have left. Intimidation, threats, riots, physical violence, destruction of property. This putz is a "reverand," does that make it worse?
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This is so shameful, it beggars description or explanation.
Shortly after 9/11 the feather merchants running America's commercial aviation were even more stupid than they are now. One of my favorites was the young Special Forces officer, in uniform, who had been wounded in Afghanistan. He had a broken jaw that had been wired shut. When he boarded a flight he gave the flight crew the little tool he would need to break the wires in the event he became air sick. So he wouldn't aspirate the vomitus and drown because he couldn't open his jaw. They wouldn't let him fly. Kicked him off the plane. So this young, smart, wounded, Special Forces officer got off the plane and headed straight for the 'phone to call all the media he could think of.
What is it Cosby quotes his wife saying? "The beatings will begin now." Exactly.
This is so shameful, it beggars description or explanation.
Shortly after 9/11 the feather merchants running America's commercial aviation were even more stupid than they are now. One of my favorites was the young Special Forces officer, in uniform, who had been wounded in Afghanistan. He had a broken jaw that had been wired shut. When he boarded a flight he gave the flight crew the little tool he would need to break the wires in the event he became air sick. So he wouldn't aspirate the vomitus and drown because he couldn't open his jaw. They wouldn't let him fly. Kicked him off the plane. So this young, smart, wounded, Special Forces officer got off the plane and headed straight for the 'phone to call all the media he could think of.
What is it Cosby quotes his wife saying? "The beatings will begin now." Exactly.
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I think what's more shameful is that we're only talking about this because of his military service. Are you guys trying to say that if a double amputee, or a person with a wired jaw, or some other ailment had not served tours of duty that it's OK to give him this treatment? Look, I'm happy that he took a military job, obviously I show support through tax dollars, but why are we only bending over backwards because of that occupation? We talk about discrimination all the time, but I believe one thing that is worse than negatively-induced discrimination is positively-induced discrimination.
I think what's more shameful is that we're only talking about this because of his military service. Are you guys trying to say that if a double amputee, or a person with a wired jaw, or some other ailment had not served tours of duty that it's OK to give him this treatment? Look, I'm happy that he took a military job, obviously I show support through tax dollars, but why are we only bending over backwards because of that occupation? We talk about discrimination all the time, but I believe one thing that is worse than negatively-induced discrimination is positively-induced discrimination.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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After reading the article, I understand that the wheelchair was doing a lot of bumping against other seats on its way back and that the Marine was also very sick (quite a high fever). Whatever circumstances that lead to him being the last to board might have been frustrating, not to mention any PTSD symptoms or personal difficulties he could theoretically be facing, all of which I would certainly understand piling up on a man. It still seems like there would be more than meets the eye to that story, including quite a few factors that have nothing to do with flying, much less some inconsiderate employees.
With that in mind, I'll reserve judgement.
But that story from OP about an airline refusing someone who had a jaw wired shut is totally crap. Seems like a perfectly logical thing that the hospital and the airline could have arranged for instead of leaving the poor man out in the lurch.
I also didn't get what all the fuss was about, namely why a Marine would be humiliated and crying over being wheeled to the back of the plane. (I don't know how many Marines you guys know, but the ones I know through family, friends and work aren't prone to being overly sensitive like that)
After reading the article, I understand that the wheelchair was doing a lot of bumping against other seats on its way back and that the Marine was also very sick (quite a high fever). Whatever circumstances that lead to him being the last to board might have been frustrating, not to mention any PTSD symptoms or personal difficulties he could theoretically be facing, all of which I would certainly understand piling up on a man. It still seems like there would be more than meets the eye to that story, including quite a few factors that have nothing to do with flying, much less some inconsiderate employees.
With that in mind, I'll reserve judgement.
But that story from OP about an airline refusing someone who had a jaw wired shut is totally crap. Seems like a perfectly logical thing that the hospital and the airline could have arranged for instead of leaving the poor man out in the lurch.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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I also see that the thread for yesterday's massacre has been deleted (or I'm illiterate... equally likely on a Saturday morning).
I presume it's on account of that picture mookie posted.
I also see that the thread for yesterday's massacre has been deleted (or I'm illiterate... equally likely on a Saturday morning).
I presume it's on account of that picture mookie posted.
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No, it wasn't. The pic, which I never saw, had already been deleted before several more posts were added to the thread. As for deleting the entire thread, sure it got a little too political (I hate how we turn disaster victims into post-mortem political activists for one party or the other all the time), and sure it could have been the initiator of the thread that decided to can it for whatever reason, but otherwise I'm a little offended that someone saw fit to delete our good wishes, prayers and etc. all at once like that. Can't think of a reason to do so.
No, it wasn't. The pic, which I never saw, had already been deleted before several more posts were added to the thread. As for deleting the entire thread, sure it got a little too political (I hate how we turn disaster victims into post-mortem political activists for one party or the other all the time), and sure it could have been the initiator of the thread that decided to can it for whatever reason, but otherwise I'm a little offended that someone saw fit to delete our good wishes, prayers and etc. all at once like that. Can't think of a reason to do so.
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Another way to think about mass murder weapons: Speed kills.
Another way to think about mass murder weapons: Speed kills.
MinnesotaNorthStar
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I started the thread, and I assure you I did not delete it...
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I really don't want to get into all of this, but these were semi-automatic handguns (one trigger pull, one shot). When many people hear semi-auto they somehow think of machine guns. These fire at the same speed as a revolver and have been around for over 100 years. For the first 60-70 years of their existence we didn't see any of these shootings. I would be focusing on ways to stop the nutjobs instead of the means they use. It doesn't take guns to kill a lot of people.
I really don't want to get into all of this, but these were semi-automatic handguns (one trigger pull, one shot). When many people hear semi-auto they somehow think of machine guns. These fire at the same speed as a revolver and have been around for over 100 years. For the first 60-70 years of their existence we didn't see any of these shootings. I would be focusing on ways to stop the nutjobs instead of the means they use. It doesn't take guns to kill a lot of people.
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No question, no passenger on any airline, ever, should be treated that way. However, the circumstances by which the young man lost his legs, cannot be ignored. Nor the circumstances by which the lad got his jaw broken. At least not in Old Pio World. Ignoring those circumstances just makes outrageous treatment even more outrageous, IMO. Serving your country is more than a "job" to me and I don't think it strengthens your point to diminish the valor of people in our armed services to make it. And that Scroogelike crack about paying your taxes shows "support" for the military ("Are there no prisons?. Are there no workhouses?') is nonsense. And I'm guessing you really didn't intend to come off sounding so dismissive.
Another OP annecdote: In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 an elderly gentleman was stopped from boarding his flight because he had in his possession a "suspicious" item that "could be used as a weapon." The gentleman's name was Joe Foss. Former governor of South Dakota and first commissioner of the AFL. Also a WWII figher ace. The "suspicious object?" His Medal of Honor. Yup. Those security morons evidently figured the old man was going to use it as a ninja throwing star or someting. I'm guessing most of those defectives had no earthly idea what a Medal of Honor was. "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you."
No question, no passenger on any airline, ever, should be treated that way. However, the circumstances by which the young man lost his legs, cannot be ignored. Nor the circumstances by which the lad got his jaw broken. At least not in Old Pio World. Ignoring those circumstances just makes outrageous treatment even more outrageous, IMO. Serving your country is more than a "job" to me and I don't think it strengthens your point to diminish the valor of people in our armed services to make it. And that Scroogelike crack about paying your taxes shows "support" for the military ("Are there no prisons?. Are there no workhouses?') is nonsense. And I'm guessing you really didn't intend to come off sounding so dismissive.
Another OP annecdote: In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 an elderly gentleman was stopped from boarding his flight because he had in his possession a "suspicious" item that "could be used as a weapon." The gentleman's name was Joe Foss. Former governor of South Dakota and first commissioner of the AFL. Also a WWII figher ace. The "suspicious object?" His Medal of Honor. Yup. Those security morons evidently figured the old man was going to use it as a ninja throwing star or someting. I'm guessing most of those defectives had no earthly idea what a Medal of Honor was. "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you."
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The trouble with TSA is the rules and laws, mainly. Rare is the TSA agent that will bend the rules, for fear of getting fired. They're just doing their job. Unfortunately, their job requirements are sometimes out of whack.
Last week, on my return trip home, I was pulled aside for the frisk treatment and extra X-rays, simply because I forgot I to remove my belt (yes, it was a rookie mistake on my part). I can't blame the TSA agents on it. They are only following procedure.
The trouble with TSA is the rules and laws, mainly. Rare is the TSA agent that will bend the rules, for fear of getting fired. They're just doing their job. Unfortunately, their job requirements are sometimes out of whack.
Last week, on my return trip home, I was pulled aside for the frisk treatment and extra X-rays, simply because I forgot I to remove my belt (yes, it was a rookie mistake on my part). I can't blame the TSA agents on it. They are only following procedure.
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We've all heard of the medal of honor but few have seen one. My father was awarded the silver star, and I never knew of it until I found it in a drawer when I was 14 or 15. He just didn't talk about it.
I'm sure Joe Foss was a little disappointed they didn't recognize it right away, but if he didn't announce it, there were going to be questions.
We've all heard of the medal of honor but few have seen one. My father was awarded the silver star, and I never knew of it until I found it in a drawer when I was 14 or 15. He just didn't talk about it.
I'm sure Joe Foss was a little disappointed they didn't recognize it right away, but if he didn't announce it, there were going to be questions.
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Come on. It has nothing to do with whether Governor Foss was "disappointed." And it has nothing to do with whether the governor was more or less modest than your dad. It has to do with the incomprehensible stupidity of people who thought the medal was "suspicious." Valor medals come in presentation cases. And only a thorough going idiot wouldn't recognize it as such. As I say, this incident happened shortly after 9/11. If the Governor were alive and still traveling, I'd imagine he would "announce" it as you suggest. It does impress me how willing you are to justify this grotesque governmental incompetence and blame the victim at the same time. Nice work.
Come on. It has nothing to do with whether Governor Foss was "disappointed." And it has nothing to do with whether the governor was more or less modest than your dad. It has to do with the incomprehensible stupidity of people who thought the medal was "suspicious." Valor medals come in presentation cases. And only a thorough going idiot wouldn't recognize it as such. As I say, this incident happened shortly after 9/11. If the Governor were alive and still traveling, I'd imagine he would "announce" it as you suggest. It does impress me how willing you are to justify this grotesque governmental incompetence and blame the victim at the same time. Nice work.
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I will forego the obvious retort about "people just doing their jobs," and point instead to what Mr. Bumble said: "If the law supposes that, the law is a a*s, a idiot."
I will forego the obvious retort about "people just doing their jobs," and point instead to what Mr. Bumble said: "If the law supposes that, the law is a a*s, a idiot."
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That..........wow, nice spin.
Again, TSA agents are following procedure, because they have to. Blame the rules/laws, not the agents. And while in this particular case I feel for Foss, anything metal should be declared because of the rules/laws. As I mentioned before, my mistake was a "rookie" mistake, as was Foss's non-declaration of the medal.
Edit: yes, I agree with you on the laws being moronic at times. THAT is what we need to fix.
That..........wow, nice spin.
Again, TSA agents are following procedure, because they have to. Blame the rules/laws, not the agents. And while in this particular case I feel for Foss, anything metal should be declared because of the rules/laws. As I mentioned before, my mistake was a "rookie" mistake, as was Foss's non-declaration of the medal.
Edit: yes, I agree with you on the laws being moronic at times. THAT is what we need to fix.
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