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Nice Planet IX: Oh that's just GREAT...

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Kepler said:
I'd say Harvard dates from '83. If Minny had it before that, god bless em.
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We didnt from what I have been told. We definitely got it from either yo or Harvard just not sure who. (my bet is Harvard)
 
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Kepler said:
OK, Wisconsin. It's a high bar that's just been set, but we're all counting on you.
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And then there's this...

No tantrum and a few minutes of peace for a parent — but at what price?

That’s something a court will decide, with fines as high as $2,000 possible for the grown-up who gave into junior and let the squirmy pre-schooler ride inside a cardboard box, rather than a car seat.

“I thought it was full of puppies,” said RCMP Sgt. Darrin Turnbull, who spotted the blanket-covered box wiggling around on the back seat after pulling over the parent for speeding in Airdrie.
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SteveP said:
And then there's this...
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I completely understand the need to secure the kids (just to be clear).
It's interesting how attitudes on this and other things have changed since my childhood, evidenced last night when we were watching The Shining (since it's free on Prime now). First there's all the chain-smoking in the kitchen, then when the Torrances are driving up the mountain switchbacks to the Overlook, the kid is hanging over the seatbacks to grill his soon-to-be-feared old man about something or other... it was basically how I grew up back then, and I'm sure audiences never batted an eye. The influence that societal norms have on attitudes is striking, nowadays leaving your kid unbuckled might even be worse than chasing him around with an axe.
 
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geezer said:
It's interesting how attitudes on this and other things have changed since my childhood, evidenced last night when we were watching The Shining (since it's free on Prime now). First there's all the chain-smoking in the kitchen, then when the Torrances are driving up the mountain switchbacks to the Overlook, the kid is hanging over the seatbacks to grill his soon-to-be-feared old man about something or other... it was basically how I grew up back then, and I'm sure audiences never batted an eye. The influence that societal norms have on attitudes is striking, nowadays leaving your kid unbuckled might even be worse than chasing him around with an axe.
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Same experiences here. I remember when mandatory helmets for motorcycles were a big deal -- our neighbor growing up used to ride with his boys on their cycles and nobody had a helmet except when the kids were very young (< 14 or so). Course that was also the family with the open bar in the basement (no locks with young kids) and the really, really illegal fireworks for the 4th. No idea how they made it to adulthood with all limbs and eyes.

I was also struck by how back seat belts factored in the Aussie story. Is that just for kids? I looked it up for Maryland since I honestly didn't know (we made our kids buckle up no matter what but that's us not the law), and it turns out they are "secondary" for the back seat, meaning an officer can ticket for it if there is another offense (which seems dumb to me -- either it's a law or it isn't).

Mad Men had a great scene where Betty is visiting a neighbor who is fussing over her baby, all the while smoking.
 
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I think seatbelts are now mandatory in MN for all seats. I agree that safety things have greatly changed since I was a young'n. We used to build BMX tracks around the local pond (which in hindsight, was actually a runoff area), seatbelts and bicycle helmets were for wussies, and grabbing the rear bumper of a vehicle while riding a skateboard or sled was a regular occurrence.
 
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Kepler said:
Same experiences here. I remember when mandatory helmets for motorcycles were a big deal -- our neighbor growing up used to ride with his boys on their cycles and nobody had a helmet except when the kids were very young (< 14 or so). Course that was also the family with the open bar in the basement (no locks with young kids) and the really, really illegal fireworks for the 4th. No idea how they made it to adulthood with all limbs and eyes.

I was also struck by how back seat belts factored in the Aussie story. Is that just for kids? I looked it up for Maryland since I honestly didn't know (we made our kids buckle up no matter what but that's us not the law), and it turns out they are "secondary" for the back seat, meaning an officer can ticket for it if there is another offense (which seems dumb to me -- either it's a law or it isn't).

Mad Men had a great scene where Betty is visiting a neighbor who is fussing over her baby, all the whole smoking.
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My mom has a picture with me and my dad, when I must be about 4 years old, sitting on the fender of an open cabbed tractor ready to go out in the field with my dad. Not even a seat or handles to grab, much less a seat belt of any kind. But, at the same time, in the country, this kind of thing is still common, and there isn't a law against it.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
My mom has a picture with me and my dad, when I must be about 4 years old, sitting on the fender of an open cabbed tractor ready to go out in the field with my dad. Not even a seat or handles to grab, much less a seat belt of any kind. But, at the same time, in the country, this kind of thing is still common, and there isn't a law against it.
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And a good reason why farming remains one of the most hazardous occupations.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
My mom has a picture with me and my dad, when I must be about 4 years old, sitting on the fender of an open cabbed tractor ready to go out in the field with my dad. Not even a seat or handles to grab, much less a seat belt of any kind. But, at the same time, in the country, this kind of thing is still common, and there isn't a law against it.
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When I lived in OR one of the 5 million state referenda on the ballot was an exception to the state highway laws to allow kids to ride in the back of pick up trucks on state roads. Which I thought was insane until I went out to a working farm in eastern OR one weekend. That's just how everybody gets around.

Of course, I also saw 12 year olds with beer and guys bringing their toddlers strapped in their car seats into a t*tty bar*, so...

* I mean, come on. Obviously you leave them with the girls working the truck stop!
 
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Kepler said:
guys bringing their toddlers strapped in their car seats into a t*tty bar*, so...
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I was going to construct a joke involving the word SMORGASBORD, but I'm classier than that.
 
Kepler said:
When I lived in OR one of the 5 million state referenda on the ballot was an exception to the state highway laws to allow kids to ride in the back of pick up trucks on state roads. Which I thought was insane until I went out to a working farm in eastern OR one weekend. That's just how everybody gets around.

Of course, I also saw 12 year olds with beer and guys bringing their toddlers strapped in their car seats into a t*tty bar*, so...

* I mean, come on. Obviously you leave them with the girls working the truck stop!
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I drank beer from ages 3-5. Then one night I mixed beer, wine, and milk. Had a serious encounter with the porcelain god and swore off alcohol until 18.
 
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Our boys are now 11 and 12 going on 13 and never once wore a bike helmet.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Our boys are now 11 and 12 going on 13 and never once wore a bike helmet.
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As someone who lives in a bike heavy (although not always bike-friendly) town in Colorado, I think that's a horrible decision. There are so many motorists that don't pay attention and one texter could hit one of your sons. A helmet could save their lives.
 
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As someone who lives in a bike heavy (although not always bike-friendly) town in Colorado, I think that's a horrible decision. There are so many motorists that don't pay attention and one texter could hit one of your sons. A helmet could save their lives.
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I'm 59. Bike helmets? Not when my generation was kids.
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
As someone who lives in a bike heavy (although not always bike-friendly) town in Colorado, I think that's a horrible decision. There are so many motorists that don't pay attention and one texter could hit one of your sons. A helmet could save their lives.
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Huh, thats funny, around here it is the bikers that don't pay attention. Don't pay attention to traffic, to stop lights, stop signs, traffic laws, the fact that there is a bike trail runnimg parallel to the road they're riding down the middle of only 10 feet away...
 
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