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Nice Planet 6: Get Me Off This Planet.

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Is there any "educator" today who possesses an ounce of common sense? :mad:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/03/s...t-student-to-stand-outside-frostbite-results/

A Minnesota public high school was so committed to obeying its fire drill policy to the exact letter of the law that it forced a female student–dressed only in a swimsuit, and sopping wet–to stand outside in the freezing cold for ten minutes. As a result, she suffered frostbite.

Administrators wouldn’t let the student retrieve her clothes, sit in a car or wait inside another building
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SteveP said:
Is there any "educator" today who possesses an ounce of common sense? :mad:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/03/s...t-student-to-stand-outside-frostbite-results/
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Here's the local CBS story. Sounds like it either wasn't a drill, or the teacher with her didn't know it was. However, they still should have let her go get her clothes (or have someone get them for her) and immediately put her in someone's car to keep warm. This will be an expensive mistake for the school.
 
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Old Pio said:
Apart from Eric von Zipper, I can't think of anyone who's ever been hurt by "the fingah."
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Does hurting your own finger count? Let's just say a certain place on a certain type of human can be quite dangerous... ;)
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Here's the local CBS story. Sounds like it either wasn't a drill, or the teacher with her didn't know it was. However, they still should have let her go get her clothes (or have someone get them for her) and immediately put her in someone's car to keep warm. This will be an expensive mistake for the school.
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To be fair, administration will usually only inform the faculty of the first couple drills (and I believe 12 are required, though this may just be NYS) in order to make sure they properly instruct their students as to the appropriate method of escape. Also, the second paragraph of DC shows it wasn't a drill: "The trouble began when a small science experiment triggered the fire alarm at Como Park Senior High School in St. Paul, Minnesota." One thing that was done where I went to what would be considered middle school was a modified fire drill called a "coat drill", where after a short ring of the fire bell, you'd grab a jacket and head to homeroom, and then at the continuous bell, escape. Given there is a law written as it is, though, this does fall pretty close to the zero tolerance classification.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
You do know that women don't actually have teeth down there, right? And that there's no such thing as Pillowpants?
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What the hell is Pillowpants? And you do know that hair follicles can sometimes cause friction, yes? I believe my girlfriend uses the term "beard burn" for another area.
 
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To be fair, administration will usually only inform the faculty of the first couple drills (and I believe 12 are required, though this may just be NYS) in order to make sure they properly instruct their students as to the appropriate method of escape. Also, the second paragraph of DC shows it wasn't a drill: "The trouble began when a small science experiment triggered the fire alarm at Como Park Senior High School in St. Paul, Minnesota." One thing that was done where I went to what would be considered middle school was a modified fire drill called a "coat drill", where after a short ring of the fire bell, you'd grab a jacket and head to homeroom, and then at the continuous bell, escape. Given there is a law written as it is, though, this does fall pretty close to the zero tolerance classification.
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I didn't read the DC one, just the CBS one. I don't recall any fire drills that the teachers weren't aware of growing up here, but that may have changed. I would think (hope) the administration would be smart enough to notify the teacher whose class is in a pool on a day with a high of -5 when it was so they could make sure everyone was out of the pool and dressed before going outside. Not that that's relevant here.

With the benefit of hindsight, I would have given her my shoes and the keys to my car (provided it was parked close by the nearest exit...otherwise told her to get someone else outside to let her use their car), and then gotten into her locker to get her clothes (either by getting her combination or using bolt cutters on it) for her.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I would think (hope) the administration would be smart enough to notify the teacher whose class is in a pool on a day with a high of -5 when it was so they could make sure everyone was out of the pool and dressed before going outside. Not that that's relevant here.
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Wouldn't that then defeat the purpose of the fire drill, because fires are supposed to happen without notice? Not to mention, there is typically protocol associated with fire drills (at least in some districts) where students must be evacuated within a certain amount of time or the drill is repeated. Then again, this was not a drill. As for giving clothes/shoes/vehicle access, there are also lawsuits associated with that and a high liability to the teacher, as opposed to the district.
 
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Wouldn't that then defeat the purpose of the fire drill, because fires are supposed to happen without notice? Not to mention, there is typically protocol associated with fire drills (at least in some districts) where students must be evacuated within a certain amount of time or the drill is repeated. Then again, this was not a drill. As for giving clothes/shoes/vehicle access, there are also lawsuits associated with that and a high liability to the teacher, as opposed to the district.
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There are also lawsuits associated with letting a student get frostbite or worse...I'd take the option that keeps the student safe and alive, the original reason for evacuating them in the first place.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
There are also lawsuits associated with letting a student get frostbite or worse...I'd take the option that keeps the student safe and alive, the original reason for evacuating them in the first place.
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One falls on you, the other falls on your employer, and I don't know how your state's teachers union is for keeping people on the job, but if it's like NYS's, then I'd take the option where the school gets sued if I were looking to save my own ***.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
One falls on you, the other falls on your employer, and I don't know how your state's teachers union is for keeping people on the job, but if it's like NYS's, then I'd take the option where the school gets sued if I were looking to save my own ***.
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I'm with MNS. I'd be looking to save the student's ***. All other ***es can wait.
 
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