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Without knowing more details, these cases are always tough. If the adoptives had her since birth, I'd say the courts got it right.

"Iron Eyes" shows up after the little girl had been adopted. Demanding his parental "rights" based on some Indian welfare act. I'm inclined to worry more about the little girl and her right to a loving stable family than I am some reservation putz and his jurisdictional claims.
 
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Without knowing more details, these cases are always tough. If the adoptives had her since birth, I'd say the courts got it right.
If I read it correctly, they had her for a couple years from birth, then he's had her for a couple years, and they have been fighting the entire time. It sounded to me like he was trying to exercise his parental rights from the get-go. At least from the point in time that he knew about the child - which may not have been immediately due to no fault of his own. I don't get the impression that he ever abandoned his daughter, and then returned to claim her after some time had elapsed. Frankly, I would have erred on giving him custody, assuming he isn't a complete incompetent. And I'd find it hard to believe that someone fighting that hard for his kid would be an incompetent father. It sounded like the adoptives argued that "federal law does not define an unwed biological father as a parent." We men should find that offensive on its face. It seems to imply that an unwed mother can put a kid up for adoption without the father's input, thereby taking away any rights. But if she wants to keep the kid, he would surely be responsible for child support. Responsibility without rights is patently unjust. Put another way: how hard would the court have laughed at him if the mother sued him for child support and he claimed that he wasn't a parent, that he was merely an unwed biological father?
 
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If I read it correctly, they had her for a couple years from birth, then he's had her for a couple years, and they have been fighting the entire time. It sounded to me like he was trying to exercise his parental rights from the get-go. At least from the point in time that he knew about the child - which may not have been immediately due to no fault of his own. I don't get the impression that he ever abandoned his daughter, and then returned to claim her after some time had elapsed. Frankly, I would have erred on giving him custody, assuming he isn't a complete incompetent. And I'd find it hard to believe that someone fighting that hard for his kid would be an incompetent father. It sounded like the adoptives argued that "federal law does not define an unwed biological father as a parent." We men should find that offensive on its face. It seems to imply that an unwed mother can put a kid up for adoption without the father's input, thereby taking away any rights. But if she wants to keep the kid, he would surely be responsible for child support. Responsibility without rights is patently unjust. Put another way: how hard would the court have laughed at him if the mother sued him for child support and he claimed that he wasn't a parent, that he was merely an unwed biological father?


That's where I'm struggling with cases like this. It's a truly case-by-case basis.
 
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If I read it correctly, they had her for a couple years from birth, then he's had her for a couple years, and they have been fighting the entire time. It sounded to me like he was trying to exercise his parental rights from the get-go. At least from the point in time that he knew about the child - which may not have been immediately due to no fault of his own. I don't get the impression that he ever abandoned his daughter, and then returned to claim her after some time had elapsed. Frankly, I would have erred on giving him custody, assuming he isn't a complete incompetent. And I'd find it hard to believe that someone fighting that hard for his kid would be an incompetent father. It sounded like the adoptives argued that "federal law does not define an unwed biological father as a parent." We men should find that offensive on its face. It seems to imply that an unwed mother can put a kid up for adoption without the father's input, thereby taking away any rights. But if she wants to keep the kid, he would surely be responsible for child support. Responsibility without rights is patently unjust. Put another way: how hard would the court have laughed at him if the mother sued him for child support and he claimed that he wasn't a parent, that he was merely an unwed biological father?

He can always make another baby. What should decide these matters is what's in the best interests of the child. Not what happened at Wounded Knee or any other irrelevant "native America" consideration. That's the card he was playing. He lost in two state supreme courts and in front of SCoTUS. Give her up, kemosabe.
 
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When I first heard about this story a while back I thought I read that the father had waived his rights before the child was born and it was only after the child was adopted that he had changed his mind.
 
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When I first heard about this story a while back I thought I read that the father had waived his rights before the child was born and it was only after the child was adopted that he had changed his mind.

Correct. He had a tribal change of heart.
 
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Four are charged in last week's mass shooting in Chicago. The lead triggerman had been sentenced to a "boot camp" on a prior gun conviction. If he'd been sent to prison instead, the shooting probably wouldn't have happened and a 3-year old wouldn't have taken one in the face. The shooter is a Black P. Stone, one of Chicago's oldest and most vicious gangs.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-mass-shooting-20130924,0,5829388.story
 
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Have a lot of kids?

He didn't seem to have any difficulty the first (?) time around, did he? He didn't have any interest in this little girl until some white folks adopted her. Then it became a big freakin' deal, and Tonto wanted to enforce his "tribal" rights.
 
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When I first heard about this story a while back I thought I read that the father had waived his rights before the child was born and it was only after the child was adopted that he had changed his mind.
That wasn't in the recent article, but would clearly color my view of the situation.
 
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That wasn't in the recent article, but would clearly color my view of the situation.

I don't have a link handy, but the mother and father both signed a legal agreement waiving their rights before the child was born and to put it up for adoption (though from what I recall, they would still be allowed some contact with the child). The father then left for a deployment in the military. By the time he came back the baby had been born and was already with the adoptive family. He then started filing suit to get the child back. His lawyer apparently claimed that the father did not understand the legal document he had signed waiving his parental rights. If you don't understand...don't sign. Get your lawyer then and see what your options are. By the time he filed his motions and the courts ruled the first time, the child was a few years old and was calling the adoptive parents "mommy" and "daddy."
 
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I don't have a link handy, but the mother and father both signed a legal agreement waiving their rights before the child was born and to put it up for adoption (though from what I recall, they would still be allowed some contact with the child). The father then left for a deployment in the military. By the time he came back the baby had been born and was already with the adoptive family. He then started filing suit to get the child back. His lawyer apparently claimed that the father did not understand the legal document he had signed waiving his parental rights. If you don't understand...don't sign. Get your lawyer then and see what your options are. By the time he filed his motions and the courts ruled the first time, the child was a few years old and was calling the adoptive parents "mommy" and "daddy."

Yeah, but he was an "injun," although we don't know what percentage. And that was all he needed to drag this ridiculous case out for years. There were many opportunities for Tonto to act like a "parent." And he ignored all of them.
 
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I've been struggling to explain the marked difference in tone of the MSM coverage of Ted Cruz' filibuster and Wendy Davis'. We know it absolutely, positively can't be media bias, because "there's no such thing". That being the case, I wonder what accounts for it.
 
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I've been struggling to explain the marked difference in tone of the MSM coverage of Ted Cruz' filibuster and Wendy Davis'. We know it absolutely, positively can't be media bias, because "there's no such thing". That being the case, I wonder what accounts for it.

Here's an honest question for you, OP. Over the course of your career, were you ever told by more liberal station chiefs or editors to distort your stories (or else)? Or was your era different? Is the perceived 'MSM' bias a product of the cable news outlet era that began with CNN, and progressed to two networks that seriously do have slanted opinion journalism (liberals have MSNBC, conservatives have FOX)?

Nowadays, it seems we're at the point where anyone with an Internet connection and a modest advertising budget is able to setup an op-ed site with comments and forums for folks that espouse the same opinions to circle-jerk each other. Conservatives have Drudge Report, Freerepublic, and Politico, liberals have Daily Kos, HuffPo, and Raw Story. People can choose the 'news' they want to believe, and it makes the 'MSM' network outlets seem increasingly irrelevant, much to the detriment of the actual facts.
 
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