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Their story is fascinating, don't get me wrong. But the uh, questions behind how they got their riches, and we all know money buys fame and fortune....that's what bothers me. I don't give a crap about what they think politically. But that family is not a bunch of folk heroes and inspirations.

I don't know if you're old enough to recall, but after JFK was elected there was a lot of talk about Bobby succeeding him and Teddy succeeding HIM. Serious talk by serious people. Kennedys in the WH for 24 years. Buckley's response was that although conservatives are accused of wanting to turn back the clock, he wasn't aware that any were suggesting a return to the divine right of kings.

WFB also got off a great answer when asked why Bobby Kennedy refused to debate him. "Why does bologna reject the grinder?" He and I exchanged letters a couple of times and I rate those letters from him among my most prized possessions.
 
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I don't know if you're old enough to recall, but after JFK was elected there was a lot of talk about Bobby succeeding him and Teddy succeeding HIM. Serious talk by serious people. Kennedys in the WH for 24 years. Buckley's response was that although conservatives are accused of wanting to turn back the clock, he wasn't aware that any were suggesting a return to the divine right of kings.

I doubt that my mother would have any recollection of that, considering that election was over 50 years ago you'd have to be close to 60 to have understood the implications of the defacto Kennedy monarchy that would have created. Given the problems resulting from US military involvement in Vietnam, I'm not sure that an RFK election would have been a sure thing.
 
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I doubt that my mother would have any recollection of that, considering that election was over 50 years ago you'd have to be close to 60 to have understood the implications of the defacto Kennedy monarchy that would have created. Given the problems resulting from US military involvement in Vietnam, I'm not sure that an RFK election would have been a sure thing.

Well, as it actually played out, Bobby was by no means the inevitable Democratic nominee. And it's also not clear he would have beaten Nixon in the general. Far fewer primaries in those days. On the night he was shot, Bobby had won a narrow (less than 50%) victory over Gene McCarthy in California. Going forward, Hubert Humphrey was the Vice President and LBJ (who detested Bobby) was going to do everything in his power to help Hubert win. In the general election, LBJ called a phony "bombing halt," that helped Hubert close the gap, but not enough.

Now if JFK had served two terms and Bobby was running to replace him, there are interesting considerations. Bobby only jumped into the race when LBJ showed weakness, based on opposition to the war. When Jack became president there were a few hundred American "advisors" in 'Nam. On the day he died, there were 13 or 14 thousand. JFK helped create the Green Berets. Oliver Stone and others think Kennedy would have "brought the troops home" in his second term, which means Bobby wouldn't have had to run against a war he and his brother supported and expanded (remember, Bobby was Attorney General, and Operation Mongoose, designed to take out Castro, was run by him).

Stone's principal "evidence" that Kennedy was planning to end US involvment in Vietnam was a plan to rotate about 1,000 troops home over Christmas (in '63?). Perhaps he's right. But bringing some troops home for Christmas hardly proves the president's intentions.

But, if he had lived and he wanted to help his brother succeed him, it could very well be that JFK would have altered Vietnam policy in order to help.

If you haven't seen "13 Days," (the story of the Cuban missile crisis) I highly recommend it. There's a scene where Jack and Bobby and Kenny O'Donnell are discussing the intelligence they've just received about Soviet missiles in Cuba and whether they should cancel a planned meeting in Chicago with Mayor Daley.

JFK wants O'Donnell (Kevin Costner) to call Da Mare and cancel. O'Donnel refuses. And Kennedy says: "you're afraid of Mayor Daley." And Costner says: "you're GD right I am. Kennedy says, "well I'm not" and goes out of frame, presumably to give Daley a call and cancel.

O'Donnell turns to Bobby and says "watch this," an instant later JFK's in Chicago, shaking hands with the mayor.

The very first person JFK invited to stay in the Lincoln Bedroom was Daley. In those days he was capable of delivering an important and Repubican leaning state. One guy. 27 electoral votes. You're d*mn skippy Jack Kennedy wanted to keep Daley happy.
 
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This stuff about John Travolta has me in a funk. Next thing you know, somebody's gonna claim Neil Patrick Harris is gay, and then we're going to the mattresses.
 
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Actually, things in North Korea are waaaay worse than you've heard.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...three-people-found-guilty-of-cannibalism.html

How they maintain the population that they do is beyond me. Something tells me that the "million man army" is an elaborate hoax. Can a human really survive on a handful of rice per day? Apparently not.

And yet junior probably eats off silver chopsticks like his daddy and granddaddy before him.
 
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How they maintain the population that they do is beyond me. Something tells me that the "million man army" is an elaborate hoax. Can a human really survive on a handful of rice per day? Apparently not.

And yet junior probably eats off silver chopsticks like his daddy and granddaddy before him.

One way to keep up appearances is to lower the height and weight requirements for recruits. And they've done it.
 
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Parents put their kid in the machine to scare him... Except it autolocks.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/coYoIHj91HA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 
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Do you think it scared the kid as much as the parents?

The real question is: Were the parents scared for the kid or what would happen to them if he died?

I lean towards the latter based on the act itself. No one who is thinking of their child's welfare would put the child in a washing machine.
 
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The real question is: Were the parents scared for the kid or what would happen to them if he died?

I lean towards the latter based on the act itself. No one who is thinking of their child's welfare would put the child in a washing machine.
I must be getting old. We lived in a normal suburb. People did this kind of thing all the time when I was a kid. They washed mouths out with soap, used hot sauce, spanked, used a belt, a wooden spoon, a metal spoon, a switch, a shoe, took away supper, locked kids in their room and no one even blinked. The usual response from a neighbor was "that'll teach em" with a chuckle. The only thing that wasn't acceptable was slapping in the face. When you think of the other stuff in retrospect that is odd but the truth.

Disclaimer- I didn't watch the vid and I don't think it is a good idea. It just struck me how much the world has changed. My whole neighborhood would have been in foster care.
 
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I must be getting old. We lived in a normal suburb. People did this kind of thing all the time when I was a kid. They washed mouths out with soap, used hot sauce, spanked, used a belt, a wooden spoon, a metal spoon, a switch, a shoe, took away supper, locked kids in their room and no one even blinked. The usual response from a neighbor was "that'll teach em" with a chuckle. The only thing that wasn't acceptable was slapping in the face. When you think of the other stuff in retrospect that is odd but the truth.

Disclaimer- I didn't watch the vid and I don't think it is a good idea. It just struck me how much the world has changed. My whole neighborhood would have been in foster care.

I'd have to say putting a kid in a running washer/dryer is a little different than soap in the mouth.
 
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I'd have to say putting a kid in a running washer/dryer is a little different than soap in the mouth.
Didn't say I would agree but vigilante type punishment was just not anything odd. If you bit your mother she bit you. If you did something stupid with whatever you werent supposed to touch it wouldn't surprise anyone if your parent did something creative with said thing to inflict punishment. Different world. Of course they didn't have dryers that locked.
 
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