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Nice Planet 2011

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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
They're cheap.

I will also never leave a bad tip if the food isn't good (cold is another matter). The servers don't make the food.
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Went to Toby Keith's tonight with a buddy. Between the two of us, we had 10 drinks, and we went to our bartender. Got triples, in doubles glasses, charged for singles. Except once, when we had to order from one of our non-regular bartenders, and it showed on the bill the difference in the price. Tipped more than generously, obvious.

Our bartender knew we tipped well, so she poured us heavy drinks, which is why we tip well, so she continued to pour heavy drinks, and so forth. Our non-reg-bartender didn't do that. We wouldn't have tipped as well had our non-reg served us all night.

Why is this related? Bartenders make the drink, so it's a direct line, unlike servers and cooks and food. If the food is bad, don't punish the server. If the service is bad, then you punish the server.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Related:

Went to Toby Keith's tonight with a buddy. Between the two of us, we had 10 drinks, and we went to our bartender. Got triples, in doubles glasses, charged for singles. Except once, when we had to order from one of our non-regular bartenders, and it showed on the bill the difference in the price. Tipped more than generously, obvious.

Our bartender knew we tipped well, so she poured us heavy drinks, which is why we tip well, so she continued to pour heavy drinks, and so forth. Our non-reg-bartender didn't do that. We wouldn't have tipped as well had our non-reg served us all night.

Why is this related? Bartenders make the drink, so it's a direct line, unlike servers and cooks and food. If the food is bad, don't punish the server. If the service is bad, then you punish the server.
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I would add that if the food is cold, that's as likely (if not more so) to be the server as the cook.
 
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You have to be kidding me. Religious fundamentalists make me so angry I could vote a straight D ticket this fall.

(I didn't read the legislation, so I'm only getting the ACLU author's spin on this, but there shouldn't even *be* a discussion about this to spin in the first place)
 
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LynahFan said:
You have to be kidding me. Religious fundamentalists make me so angry I could vote a straight D ticket this fall.

(I didn't read the legislation, so I'm only getting the ACLU author's spin on this, but there shouldn't even *be* a discussion about this to spin in the first place)
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...the f*? I can't even......just what the.....get me off this planet. This absolutely disgusts me and I'm against abortion.
 
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SteveP said:
I know that I'm late to the tipping discussion, but I thought I'd add my 2 cents about what happened a week ago while at the ACHA National Tournament in suburban Cleveland.

We joined about 30 Penn State parents and fans at a Buffalo Wild Wings (pre-arranged seating) for a post-game meal. The orders were screwed up (at least two weren't delivered), the food was awful (cold ribs and greasy wings with some orange glop that was supposed to be Buffalo sauce) and no utensils. A half dozen "servers" could figure out who got the food that was delivered.

Because we were a group, the "obligatory" 18% gratuity was added to all of our bills. We all paid, but I made sure to speak with the manager to let him know that I will tip for good food and service, but we got neither that night.

Frankly, I don't know why BWW is such a popular chain. I've been in three of them and all of them had the worst wings I've ever eaten. Mama Teressa must be spinning in her grave.
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Old Pio Annecdote Alert: In high school my family and another took annual Civil War Battlefield tours. And we stayed at the Penn Daw Motorcourt in Alexandria more than once. There was a wonderful, elderly, black waiter there who never wrote down our orders. He could never keep straight who ordered what. Never. He'd get the right food, but put it down in front of the wrong diner. And we wouldn't say or do anything until after he'd left. Then we'd pass our plates around, like a game of musical chairs, so everybody got what they'd ordered. There's no way we'd embarrass him by saying anything. We were a good sized group (10) and we just didn't want to hurt his feelings. Nor was there a chance in h*ll our fathers stiffed him on the tip because of his inability to keep 10 orders straight in his head. No way. No how.

This was the gentleman who one morning at breakfast shoved a newspaper into my father's hand with front page photos of violence at a civil rights demonstration somewhere. With tears in his eyes, and voice trembling, he told the old man "look what they're doing to my people." Somebody else, much younger, with a bad attitude might get a reduced tip, not this man.
 
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If it is such a dishonor to a rape victim's family, how is it that the family doesn't avenge that honor upon the life of the perpetrator? Why is this the problem of the victim??
 
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UncleRay said:
If it is such a dishonor to a rape victim's family, how is it that the family doesn't avenge that honor upon the life of the perpetrator? Why is this the problem of the victim??
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Go back about 30 yrs and that is what it was in this country. I still remember the start of the cultural shift (which was extremely controversial) in the late 70s when the beaten woman was finally beginning to be viewed as a 'victim' and the rape victim was still under scrutiny to figure out what she did to deserve it. At the time I was in Nursing School we still had problems with the police not arresting the perps. Some of the local towns still struggle with that. It is much easier to blame the victim than to feel her shame or the helplessness of not being able to remedy the damage. Thankfully we don't make people marry their rapists.
 
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leswp1 said:
Go back about 30 yrs and that is what it was in this country. I still remember the start of the cultural shift (which was extremely controversial) in the late 70s when the beaten woman was finally beginning to be viewed as a 'victim' and the rape victim was still under scrutiny to figure out what she did to deserve it. At the time I was in Nursing School we still had problems with the police not arresting the perps. Some of the local towns still struggle with that. It is much easier to blame the victim than to feel her shame or the helplessness of not being able to remedy the damage. Thankfully we don't make people marry their rapists.
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"Anatomy of a Murder" illustrates that phenomenon rather well. What with all the references to Lee Remick's bare legs, lack of a girdle and panties.
 
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