dxmnkd316
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Re: Nice Planet 2011
I left a waitress at Sally's a $0.23 tip because she was such a b*tch.
I left a waitress at Sally's a $0.23 tip because she was such a b*tch.
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Nice Planet 2011
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Re: Nice Planet 2011
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UncleRay
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Re: Nice Planet 2011
Disagree, Pio. If good service is to be rewarded with a fat tip, poor service should be punished with a lousy tip. I still remember as a kid we were down in Washington County picking my dad's experimental blueberries. As a big treat we went out to Helen's in Machias, famous for their pies. After the six of us ate dinner, my parents asked about the night's pies. The server said they were all out. She got a nickel tip - dad said if he left nothing she might think it was a mistake, but by leaving a nickel she would know it was on purpose.
Oh, did I mention that we were sitting right next to the pie locker and could plainly tell they weren't out, she was just trying to turn the table?
Disagree, Pio. If good service is to be rewarded with a fat tip, poor service should be punished with a lousy tip. I still remember as a kid we were down in Washington County picking my dad's experimental blueberries. As a big treat we went out to Helen's in Machias, famous for their pies. After the six of us ate dinner, my parents asked about the night's pies. The server said they were all out. She got a nickel tip - dad said if he left nothing she might think it was a mistake, but by leaving a nickel she would know it was on purpose.
Oh, did I mention that we were sitting right next to the pie locker and could plainly tell they weren't out, she was just trying to turn the table?
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That amusing annecdote does not change the fact that both people involved here were being, you should pardon the expression, putzes. There is a distinct aspect of bullying involved in these two stories. And the fact that you and dxm proudly recount them proves the point, IMO. "Boy, we really showed HER." These folks are unable to fight back, to offer an explanation. This is the kind of bullying one sees frequently at fast food places when losers give the kids who work there five different kinds of h*ll. Like those two fat cows who went behind the counter at a Greenwich Village Mickey D's a few weeks ago and got horrific beatdowns for their trouble. The employee, btw, was absolved of any criminal responsibility.
If your father had a beef about her lying to you, why not bring it up with the manager? Heck, he'd probably comp you the pies, maybe even the meal. Everyone knows and understands (or should) that waitstaff are hugely dependent on tips to make a living. Leave a smaller tip than you otherwise would. Tell the wait person. Tell the manager. But don't leave an insultingly low tip, then brag about it. Unless she intentionally dumped the soup in your lap, the punishment does not fit the crime. And it shows me you acted far worse than the waitperson did.
That amusing annecdote does not change the fact that both people involved here were being, you should pardon the expression, putzes. There is a distinct aspect of bullying involved in these two stories. And the fact that you and dxm proudly recount them proves the point, IMO. "Boy, we really showed HER." These folks are unable to fight back, to offer an explanation. This is the kind of bullying one sees frequently at fast food places when losers give the kids who work there five different kinds of h*ll. Like those two fat cows who went behind the counter at a Greenwich Village Mickey D's a few weeks ago and got horrific beatdowns for their trouble. The employee, btw, was absolved of any criminal responsibility.
If your father had a beef about her lying to you, why not bring it up with the manager? Heck, he'd probably comp you the pies, maybe even the meal. Everyone knows and understands (or should) that waitstaff are hugely dependent on tips to make a living. Leave a smaller tip than you otherwise would. Tell the wait person. Tell the manager. But don't leave an insultingly low tip, then brag about it. Unless she intentionally dumped the soup in your lap, the punishment does not fit the crime. And it shows me you acted far worse than the waitperson did.
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I've been on both sides of the coin. I'll tell you right now, that an "insulting" tip leaves an impression, and most (I stress most) of the time, it makes a server wonder whether or not they did do their best. No tip? Most of the time, the server just thinks that the customer forgot. A small small tip? A message has been sent.
I've been on both sides of the coin. I'll tell you right now, that an "insulting" tip leaves an impression, and most (I stress most) of the time, it makes a server wonder whether or not they did do their best. No tip? Most of the time, the server just thinks that the customer forgot. A small small tip? A message has been sent.
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That's probably true. As I've said, I believe the actual amount of "bad" service is far exceeded by people throwing their weight around, dumping on a helpless person who, most of the time, is doing the best he can. Besides, lots of these problems originate in the kitchen and aren't the fault of waitstaff. Honestlly, I can't recall a single instance in my life where I left a tiny/no tip or even thought about it. Some people, not necessarily anyone participating in this discussion, seem to attract "bad" service way out of proportion to the public. I wonder why that is.
That's probably true. As I've said, I believe the actual amount of "bad" service is far exceeded by people throwing their weight around, dumping on a helpless person who, most of the time, is doing the best he can. Besides, lots of these problems originate in the kitchen and aren't the fault of waitstaff. Honestlly, I can't recall a single instance in my life where I left a tiny/no tip or even thought about it. Some people, not necessarily anyone participating in this discussion, seem to attract "bad" service way out of proportion to the public. I wonder why that is.
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I was a cook, and if we screwed up, we heard about it. At length. The server isn't always at fault, but God help that cook if s/he deals with the wrath of a server. It is truly motivation to not screw up.
I was a cook, and if we screwed up, we heard about it. At length. The server isn't always at fault, but God help that cook if s/he deals with the wrath of a server. It is truly motivation to not screw up.
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Yes, no doubt. I've become quite an "expert" watching Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares. As far as cooks are concerned, Harry Truman was right, "the buck stops here." There was a guy who ran a bar and had daily lunch specials at very reasonable prices in Omaha. His dictum: Eat, Pay and Get out.
Yes, no doubt. I've become quite an "expert" watching Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares. As far as cooks are concerned, Harry Truman was right, "the buck stops here." There was a guy who ran a bar and had daily lunch specials at very reasonable prices in Omaha. His dictum: Eat, Pay and Get out.
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Nice Planet 2011
When we are at a table for 70 minutes and we don't even get asked once for refills and we literally had our bills thrown at us with a "HERE!", yeah, she had it coming. We weren't obnoxious. We weren't doing anything out of the ordinary.
I normally do 20% and round up. This was the single worst server I have ever had. She didn't even deserve a tip. Like Brent said, no tip wouldn't send a message.
When we are at a table for 70 minutes and we don't even get asked once for refills and we literally had our bills thrown at us with a "HERE!", yeah, she had it coming. We weren't obnoxious. We weren't doing anything out of the ordinary.
I normally do 20% and round up. This was the single worst server I have ever had. She didn't even deserve a tip. Like Brent said, no tip wouldn't send a message.
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It's up to you, of course, but if it were me, I'd stop bragging about being such a jerk. Bad service? How about not going back to the restaurant? Problem solved. But then you won't have your heroic annecdote to impress the kids, right?
It's up to you, of course, but if it were me, I'd stop bragging about being such a jerk. Bad service? How about not going back to the restaurant? Problem solved. But then you won't have your heroic annecdote to impress the kids, right?
bigblue_dl
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Re: Nice Planet 2011
I don't think he's bragging about it, it is just an experience that he had that is extremely relevant to the conversation that we were already involved in.
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Again, we disagree. But complaining to management or refusing to go back doesn't have the sizzle of "showing that b*tch" does it? Maybe I've been fortunate or am just so stupid I don't realize what bad service is, but it's never crossed my mind to stiff a wait person as a way of sending her a message. Never. As a consequence, I'm apparantly deprived of spiffy annecdotes. Even so, stiffing a waitperson, to me, is bullying and not very mature.
Again, we disagree. But complaining to management or refusing to go back doesn't have the sizzle of "showing that b*tch" does it? Maybe I've been fortunate or am just so stupid I don't realize what bad service is, but it's never crossed my mind to stiff a wait person as a way of sending her a message. Never. As a consequence, I'm apparantly deprived of spiffy annecdotes. Even so, stiffing a waitperson, to me, is bullying and not very mature.
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No one is entitled to a tip. That being said, I think we all agree that it would take bad service to leave a small/no tip. And who's looking for "sizzle?" dx wanted to send a message that the server was not up to snuff. A small tip sent that message. Hopefully she got the message, and she improved at her job. Yes, mentioning it to the manager in addition to the small tip is also an option. But why reward a bad server with a "normal" tip, and only complain to mgmt? Server might get reprimanded, but hey, she still got a decent tip.
No one is entitled to a tip. That being said, I think we all agree that it would take bad service to leave a small/no tip. And who's looking for "sizzle?" dx wanted to send a message that the server was not up to snuff. A small tip sent that message. Hopefully she got the message, and she improved at her job. Yes, mentioning it to the manager in addition to the small tip is also an option. But why reward a bad server with a "normal" tip, and only complain to mgmt? Server might get reprimanded, but hey, she still got a decent tip.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Nice Planet 2011
Why should he stop going to a restaurant just because of one bad server expedience? In MN where the servers are paid at the minimum wage of $7.25, I have no problem giving a really low tip (under $1) for truly bad service. In other states where the servers only make $3 (or so) I may (and have) cut the tip up to 50% of what I would otherwise have tipped as a result of bad service. If a server chooses to ignore me (as opposed to being swamped during a rush) I fail to see why I shouldn't let that influence what I tip. I don't see any reason I should have to reward a server for gossiping over actually doing his or her job.
Why should he stop going to a restaurant just because of one bad server expedience? In MN where the servers are paid at the minimum wage of $7.25, I have no problem giving a really low tip (under $1) for truly bad service. In other states where the servers only make $3 (or so) I may (and have) cut the tip up to 50% of what I would otherwise have tipped as a result of bad service. If a server chooses to ignore me (as opposed to being swamped during a rush) I fail to see why I shouldn't let that influence what I tip. I don't see any reason I should have to reward a server for gossiping over actually doing his or her job.
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I realize I'm an amateur debating a professional here, but I respectfully disagree. Besides, you're begging the question that a habitually bad server is going to "get the message." I'm not convinced of that at all. Hopefully you and the rest of the "stiffers" don't make a practice of this practice.
I realize I'm an amateur debating a professional here, but I respectfully disagree. Besides, you're begging the question that a habitually bad server is going to "get the message." I'm not convinced of that at all. Hopefully you and the rest of the "stiffers" don't make a practice of this practice.
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Up to you. I disagree. You guys who advocate stiffing wait staff "when they really deserve it," give off the faint whiff of intolerance and Barney Fifism, IMO. As I just said to Brent, I hope you don't make a practice of this practice.
Up to you. I disagree. You guys who advocate stiffing wait staff "when they really deserve it," give off the faint whiff of intolerance and Barney Fifism, IMO. As I just said to Brent, I hope you don't make a practice of this practice.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Nice Planet 2011
Why should I tolerate poor service or REWARD bad service with a tip? It happens once every few years, far from a common or regular occurrence. It's not like I'm expecting bad service when I go out, most of the time the service is completely acceptable given how busy the place is, on rare occasions it isn't and that is reflected in the tip (much of the time it is more a question of if I round up or down to the nearest dollar (for example: do I leave $29, $30, or $31 on the $25.54 bill). I don't think any of us are advocating leaving a 1% or even 5% tip as a matter of general practice.
Why should I tolerate poor service or REWARD bad service with a tip? It happens once every few years, far from a common or regular occurrence. It's not like I'm expecting bad service when I go out, most of the time the service is completely acceptable given how busy the place is, on rare occasions it isn't and that is reflected in the tip (much of the time it is more a question of if I round up or down to the nearest dollar (for example: do I leave $29, $30, or $31 on the $25.54 bill). I don't think any of us are advocating leaving a 1% or even 5% tip as a matter of general practice.
gmann
Cheer up, the worst is yet to come
Re: Nice Planet 2011
FWIW........ While in high school and during the summers I worked at a resort. That summer I was a waiter. One evening I waited on a family, table of twelve. This family is well known and very very wealthy. They were very demanding. In fact, they took their sweet time and spent nearly three hours in the dining room. I busted my butt and IMHO provided exceptional service. From start to finish their dining experience had no issues. Their bill was hundreds of dollars. I was expecting a decent tip. Instead I was left a bunch of pocket change. Frustrated, I grabbed the change and started yelling "sir, sir". The customer stopped and turned towards me. I approached the customer and mentioned for the entire restaurant to hear "here sir I think you forgot your bus fare."
Needless to say my career as a waiter ended that evening. However, after numerous issues with that family the owner of the resort asked that family to never return to his resort.
FWIW........ While in high school and during the summers I worked at a resort. That summer I was a waiter. One evening I waited on a family, table of twelve. This family is well known and very very wealthy. They were very demanding. In fact, they took their sweet time and spent nearly three hours in the dining room. I busted my butt and IMHO provided exceptional service. From start to finish their dining experience had no issues. Their bill was hundreds of dollars. I was expecting a decent tip. Instead I was left a bunch of pocket change. Frustrated, I grabbed the change and started yelling "sir, sir". The customer stopped and turned towards me. I approached the customer and mentioned for the entire restaurant to hear "here sir I think you forgot your bus fare."
Needless to say my career as a waiter ended that evening. However, after numerous issues with that family the owner of the resort asked that family to never return to his resort.
bigblue_dl
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So you fall into the "Waiter screwed over on a tip by a complete *******" category.
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