Nice Planet 14: You People Make Me Sick

[bigblue_dl]

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Haggis

Yum. Good haggis is awesome.

 

[Kepler]

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Yum. Good haggis is awesome.

I'm guessing like... calamari?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Ick

 

[joecct]

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The British State's attempted murder of a baby boy. The police respond:

@MerseyPolice: We've issued a statement this evening to make people aware that social media posts which are being posted in relation to Alder Hey and the Alfie Evans situation are being monitored and may be acted upon. Read the full statement here: https://goo.gl/hUZ5zB

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

The British State's attempted murder of a baby boy. The police respond:

@MerseyPolice: We've issued a statement this evening to make people aware that social media posts which are being posted in relation to Alder Hey and the Alfie Evans situation are being monitored and may be acted upon. Read the full statement here: https://goo.gl/hUZ5zB

Way to dramatize it.
I’ve worked with many nhs doctors. They’re the same as every other doctor. They don’t want to “murder” a child and to call it that is insane

 

[joecct]

Way to dramatize it.
I’ve worked with many nhs doctors. They’re the same as every other doctor. They don’t want to “murder” a child and to call it that is insane

What do you call it when parents want to fly (their now Italian citizen) child to Italy for treatment but can't because the State refuses to let Alfie leave the country?

What do you call it when the hospital refuses to feed the child, contrary to parents' wishes?

"First do no harm"?????

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

What do you call it when parents want to fly (their now Italian citizen) child to Italy for treatment but can't because the State refuses to let Alfie leave the country?

What do you call it when the hospital refuses to feed the child, contrary to parents' wishes?

"First do no harm"?????

Judges ruled he can’t fly. Doctors provided their opinion which is he’s not able to be saved.

 

[joecct]

Judges ruled he can’t fly. Doctors provided their opinion which is he’s not able to be saved.

Opinion. Since when does an opinion prevent me from trying another alternative?

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Opinion. Since when does an opinion prevent me from trying another alternative?

The following paragraph written by a doctor explains it well :

“In fact – to my enormous pride – the NHS has kept Alfie alive for nearly two years, at no cost to his family, and without any judgments concerning the value of his life. But intensive care is only ever a temporary support for failing organs while a reversible pathology is treated. In Alfie’s case, multiple doctors from multiple countries have all agreed that his illness is irreversible, progressive and terminal. Withdrawal of care is therefore neither killing nor murder, but enables him to die with comfort and dignity.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/26/nhs-palliative-care-alfie-evans-die-with-dignity

It’s a different system. I still prefer theirs. It’s better than prolonging the pain and suffering.

 

[Handyman]

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Opinion. Since when does an opinion prevent me from trying another alternative?

I dunno about the time you started labeling anyone a murderer whose opinion you disagree with

Isnt this God's will? Isnt God the true murderer here?

 

[joecct]

I dunno about the time you started labeling anyone a murderer whose opinion you disagree with

Isnt this God's will? Isnt God the true murderer here?

God's will is natural death when the body, without assistance, ceases to function.

If you fail to provide food and water you are not letting "natural death" take place.

That is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, which is these days a faith of inconvenient truths.

 

[St. Clown]

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God's will is natural death when the body, without assistance, ceases to function.

If you fail to provide food and water you are not letting "natural death" take place.

That is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, which is these days a faith of inconvenient truths.

So people have been using artificial means to stave off a natural death for a long time now, defying God's natural will.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

So people have been using artificial means to stave off a natural death for a long time now, defying God's natural will.

SHh. Conservatives only care about it when they can use it to condemn someone else and further their cause

 

[dxmnkd316]

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People like joe forget that "Render unto Caesar" didn't just mean coin.

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

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God's will is natural death when the body, without assistance, ceases to function.

If you fail to provide food and water you are not letting "natural death" take place.

I can tell from your comments that you know very little about this case and how things work in healthcare, or medical ethics for that matter. This child would have died a natural death ages ago. Do you know anything about providing nutrition to a patient who cannot swallow? Or is on a ventilator? Or how about is unable to absorb food. What about the risks with these procedures? Do you know how long you can safely keep an NG tube in? How about TPN?

Do you have access to his medical records and therefore are somewhat informed of his medical situation?

How many of these situations have you personally been involved in? This week I have been involved in the care on 2 people under the age of 18 after catastrophic neurological injuries and I can tell you, these situations are never taken lightly.

And no, I don't expect you to answer any of these questions because it is much easier being ignorant...calling these people murderers.

 

[joecct]

I can tell from your comments that you know very little about this case and how things work in healthcare, or medical ethics for that matter. This child would have died a natural death ages ago. Do you know anything about providing nutrition to a patient who cannot swallow? Or is on a ventilator? Or how about is unable to absorb food. What about the risks with these procedures? Do you know how long you can safely keep an NG tube in? How about TPN?

Do you have access to his medical records and therefore are somewhat informed of his medical situation?

How many of these situations have you personally been involved in? This week I have been involved in the care on 2 people under the age of 18 after catastrophic neurological injuries and I can tell you, these situations are never taken lightly.

And no, I don't expect you to answer any of these questions because it is much easier being ignorant...calling these people murderers.

He's still living despite the doctors assertions that he would die within hours. The doctors want to withhold nutrition to starve Alfie to death.

Why can't the parents seek alternative care? Is the NHS that powerful that it can stifle a parents' last chances to keep their child alive?

Why not call them murderers? Got another name for someone who goes against the parents' wishes to keep their son alive?

It is ironic that the state gives the mother the absolute right to terminate the child's life before birth but prohibits the same mother from trying to keep her child alive after he is born.

We are on opposite sides. It appears to me that you believe the State has the absolute power of life and death over us. I refuse to accept that premise. And, if this is what single payer is going to bring to the USA, I want no part of it - and neither should you.

 

[unofan]

It is ironic that the state gives the mother the absolute right to terminate the child's life before birth but prohibits the same mother from trying to keep her child alive after he is born.

Still less ironic than the pro life party treating 50% of the population as mere incubators and then not giving a crap about babies once they're out of the womb.

Oh, and let's not forget that you and your party are pro death penalty, too.

So spare me your sanctimonious crap given the hypocrisy of the pro life movement.

 

[St. Clown]

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He's still living despite the doctors assertions that he would die within hours. The doctors want to withhold nutrition to starve Alfie to death.

Why can't the parents seek alternative care? Is the NHS that powerful that it can stifle a parents' last chances to keep their child alive?

Why not call them murderers? Got another name for someone who goes against the parents' wishes to keep their son alive?

It is ironic that the state gives the mother the absolute right to terminate the child's life before birth but prohibits the same mother from trying to keep her child alive after he is born.

We are on opposite sides. It appears to me that you believe the State has the absolute power of life and death over us. I refuse to accept that premise. And, if this is what single payer is going to bring to the USA, I want no part of it - and neither should you.

I would be all for the parents being able to continue with the child's healthcare if the parents pay 100% of the costs or find another private funding source that is in noway tied to insurance providers.

 

[burd]

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He's still living despite the doctors assertions that he would die within hours. The doctors want to withhold nutrition to starve Alfie to death.

Why can't the parents seek alternative care? Is the NHS that powerful that it can stifle a parents' last chances to keep their child alive?

Why not call them murderers? Got another name for someone who goes against the parents' wishes to keep their son alive?

It is ironic that the state gives the mother the absolute right to terminate the child's life before birth but prohibits the same mother from trying to keep her child alive after he is born.

We are on opposite sides. It appears to me that you believe the State has the absolute power of life and death over us. I refuse to accept that premise. And, if this is what single payer is going to bring to the USA, I want no part of it - and neither should you.

Is it that you do not believe allowing this child to die is in his best interests or that you do not think medical providers should be allowed to influence that call (subject to judicial review) from a medical science point of view?

Do you believe parents always act in their children's best interests? When they are unable to, should they be permitted to control the decision anyway?

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I would be all for the parents being able to continue with the child's healthcare if the parents pay 100% of the costs or find another private funding source that is in noway tied to insurance providers.

I could maybe get on board with that.
I’ve been studying details about how much money is spent at the end of someone’s life and it’s quite astonishing.