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NFL 2022-23: How About A Lions vs. Jaguars Super Bowl?

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Both New Orleans and Minnesota took turns trying to give that game away, to both deciding they cared in the final minutes. A double doink FG miss decided it in favor of the Vikings. Any time the Saints lose in dramatic fashion is a good week.
 
SonofSouthie said:
The perfect scapegoat, or patsie if you will.
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Maybe not so much- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VV0Qb5rK8I&ab_channel=BrianSuttererMD

This video goes though the process as outlined by the NFL- and while there's a clear no-go if there's instability- there's also a confusing set of notes about if the motor problems are neurological or not. Which is why it's such a big deal that there were claims of a back injury.

And here's my opinion that it's scapegoating or not- sure, there is some confusing language determining if it's a head injury or something else, but seeing Tua's reaction on Sunday, I'm personally confused WHY a doctor would think that he had a back injury. The immediate reaction was either grabbing for his head or whatever it's called when limbs freeze up (look close, it's borderline the same as Thursday), then as he got up, he shook his head, then stumbled down. Not once did he reach for his back.

So even IF there's bad language in the "what caused the instability"- I really fail to see how a reasonable doctor would honestly think it was a back or leg problem. And to me, even if the excuse is that you followed the procedure to the letter- and it is flawed- the calling the motor instability something other than a head injury is incredibly questionable.

Like I said before- I've personally seen mis-diagnosis of a head injury almost kill a person. And when I first heard the symptoms, my just engineering/science background immediately though real head injury and not stomach problems. So I'm aware that doctors make mistakes WRT head injuries.
 
MissThundercat said:
It looks like another year of the Lions being 4-13, 5-12, mediocre instead of being spectacularly terrible.
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I think the defense is good for giving up a losing drive every game- it would take some actual creativity on offense to get a big enough lead the D can't blow.
 
So can we get over the concept that you will out work, out tough, out hustle, etc- every other team?

This is the biggest professional football league in the world- do you really think you won't meet another team that is willing to do exactly that much and then add in out prepare and out create to beat other teams? And the thing I really hate about "out tough" is that you ask players to put themselves extra into harms way, which leads to injuries. Which have ALWAY been a problem in Detroit.

Detroit sucks not because they are not tough and try hard. They suck because other coaches are smarter and can either see exactly what Detroit is doing, or they are just more prepared to let Detroit outplay themselves. Like on D- there was a lot of focus on the linebackers in the HBO thing- how fast and hardworking they are- but when you watch the game, you see that they are trying to win the game all on their own- which means they "over" every play- the worst being overplay- so they are nowhere near the gaps they are supposed to be protecting. And I look at the long haired guy as the worst- so many times Seattle was able to let him take himself totally out of the play that running was easy.

And the fact that they are asking the player to "out" everything than the other team- they REALLY, REALLY don't get the idea of being a team- setting up the other team so that the play can be made easily by someone. Sometimes, a player needs to go out and just occupy one of two of the blockers so that someone else gets free to make a play.

IMHO, this all starts at the top. Dan pretends that he can "out" everything in the 4th Q and win games- as if the rest of the NFL is lazy and not willing to work hard. Duh. Given how much Detroit is paying their players, there are certainly players and teams out there who are more than happy to work as hard AND be a team and do their jobs, let alone come up with a plan that confuses the crap out of the other team at every single point- making it a lot easier to win.

The NFL is not about out working and out toughing to win- it's about figuring out ways to win by doing the opposite- so that when equal effort and toughness is applied, winning happens.
 
MichVandal said:
The NFL is not about out working and out toughing to win- it's about figuring out ways to win by doing the opposite- so that when equal effort and toughness is applied, winning happens.
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"The idea is to make the other poor bastard die for his country."
 
MichVandal said:
So can we get over the concept that you will out work, out tough, out hustle, etc- every other team?

This is the biggest professional football league in the world- do you really think you won't meet another team that is willing to do exactly that much and then add in out prepare and out create to beat other teams? And the thing I really hate about "out tough" is that you ask players to put themselves extra into harms way, which leads to injuries. Which have ALWAY been a problem in Detroit.

Detroit sucks not because they are not tough and try hard. They suck because other coaches are smarter and can either see exactly what Detroit is doing, or they are just more prepared to let Detroit outplay themselves. Like on D- there was a lot of focus on the linebackers in the HBO thing- how fast and hardworking they are- but when you watch the game, you see that they are trying to win the game all on their own- which means they "over" every play- the worst being overplay- so they are nowhere near the gaps they are supposed to be protecting. And I look at the long haired guy as the worst- so many times Seattle was able to let him take himself totally out of the play that running was easy.

And the fact that they are asking the player to "out" everything than the other team- they REALLY, REALLY don't get the idea of being a team- setting up the other team so that the play can be made easily by someone. Sometimes, a player needs to go out and just occupy one of two of the blockers so that someone else gets free to make a play.

IMHO, this all starts at the top. Dan pretends that he can "out" everything in the 4th Q and win games- as if the rest of the NFL is lazy and not willing to work hard. Duh. Given how much Detroit is paying their players, there are certainly players and teams out there who are more than happy to work as hard AND be a team and do their jobs, let alone come up with a plan that confuses the crap out of the other team at every single point- making it a lot easier to win.

The NFL is not about out working and out toughing to win- it's about figuring out ways to win by doing the opposite- so that when equal effort and toughness is applied, winning happens.
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In the eyes of the world, the Lions will always have George Plimpton under center.
 
state of hockey said:
Related to the current discussion…

https://twitter.com/super70ssports/status/1577084629743722497?s=46&t=_lUeEKZVB8JHx5Bz-mHGBQ
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Having seen the pick 6 and Deebo's screen-TD, yea- don't really agree with the premise of the tweet. The only think the 70's have over now is that it was more violent to the head. And the people who want more of that- go watch whatever they call that fighting in the octagon these days. I see the creativity that is used on both sides of the line as a real improvement to the game.
 
French Rage said:
Will Kelly Stafford tell everyone to stop being mean sacking and intercepting her husband?
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Has everyone already forgotten where Stafford spent the majority of his career? He's gotten hurt so many times being sacked, it's not even funny. And intercepted so many times that the talking heads have forgotten that w/o stafford, Hall of Famer Calvin Johnson would not have gotten much.

Which is to say, that debacle was far better than most Lions games.

On the other hand, the Lions fans are different than Rams fans, apparently.
 
MichVandal said:
Having seen the pick 6 and Deebo's screen-TD, yea- don't really agree with the premise of the tweet. The only think the 70's have over now is that it was more violent to the head. And the people who want more of that- go watch whatever they call that fighting in the octagon these days. I see the creativity that is used on both sides of the line as a real improvement to the game.
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I agree with a lot of what you said, but this was specific to those two minutes being great. And they were.
 
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