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NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason

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dxmnkd316 said:
I think this is 100% correct. The MVPs were the coaching staffs, especially those on defense. They developed a plan and the players executed. It was kind of a boring marvel to watch.
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Agree, but I don't think the O Line and Coach Dante Scarneccia are getting their proper due. A lot of people were concerned when Nate Solder left, but IMHO, Trent Brown was a HUGE surprise (literally and figuratively). There are no All Pro's on that line, but it's an excellent example of the whole being so much more than the sum of the parts. Only the Colts and the Saints allowed fewer sacks (yes, I know, Brady's quick release is a big part of that). O Line only allowed 1 sack in the Playoffs. This could be a real strength for them next year, especially if the kid they drafted from UGA (Isaiah Wynn) turns out to be decent.
 
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Credit to NE's D especially the D line but I think crediting their D takes a lot of the heat off Goff who was objectively terrible missing wide open throws and making terrible reads all game. If that team has any idea what they're doing (they seem to at most other positions) they start thinking about a long term QB solution.
 
trixR4kids said:
Credit to NE's D especially the D line but I think crediting their D takes a lot of the heat off Goff who was objectively terrible missing wide open throws and making terrible reads all game. If that team has any idea what they're doing (they seem to at most other positions) they start thinking about a long term QB solution.
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He's 24 years old, ferchrissakes. Give him a break.

Ever give a thought that it was maybe the looks and the pressure the Pats defense was giving him that led to him making those terrible reads and missing those throws?

Brady made some terrible reads too, and some horrible throws. Luckily, the Rams couldn't cover Edelman, and Brady made a couple clutch throws when he had to.

That was the difference in the game. If not for a Crap holding call on the Ram's center, that game could have well gone the other way.
 
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rufus said:
He's 24 years old, ferchrissakes. Give him a break.

Ever give a thought that it was maybe the looks and the pressure the Pats defense was giving him that led to him making those terrible reads and missing those throws?
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Or maybe he always looks like this and that was the scouting report even before he got to the league and there's not much reason to think he's going to get significantly better...

And it's one thing to not have a chance because of your O line but it's another to have horrible footwork and run into sacks or be completely off balance on your throws because you have happy feet.

Actually this twitter thread does a great job of detailing a bunch of his bad reads and things he has control over:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If Goff diagnoses this quicker he has a TD to Cooks, instead he's locked in on Woods' crosser and the seven-man protection doesn't allow for the hesitation. <a href="https://t.co/mixNBMTCLa">pic.twitter.com/mixNBMTCLa</a></p>— Cian (@Cianaf) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/1092836428059471874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Brady made some terrible reads too, and some horrible throws.
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Not nearly as often and the Rams have more talent defensively. This is kinda like when Brent does his both sides thing and equates two things that are light years apart.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Or maybe he always looks like this and that was the scouting report even before he got to the league and there's not much reason to think he's going to get significantly better...

And it's one thing to not have a chance because of your O line but it's another to have horrible footwork and run into sacks or be completely off balance on your throws because you have happy feet.

Actually this twitter thread does a great job of detailing a bunch of his bad reads and things he has control over:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If Goff diagnoses this quicker he has a TD to Cooks, instead he's locked in on Woods' crosser and the seven-man protection doesn't allow for the hesitation. <a href="https://t.co/mixNBMTCLa">pic.twitter.com/mixNBMTCLa</a></p>— Cian (@Cianaf) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/1092836428059471874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Not nearly as often and the Rams have more talent defensively. This is kinda like when Brent does his both sides thing and equates two things that are light years apart.
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Why do people think that those items were not factored into the defensive game plan?

It was really clear watching the game and replays LIVE that NE pretty much forced Goff to see things that didn't exist, and not see things that did. And, IMHO, it wasn't just Goff, but the offensive line. They were confused most of the game, too- otherwise, they would have been a LOT more effective running the game (which is totally out of Goff's hands).

Even now, looking at the hind sight, it's done a great job taking Goff down as a potential great QB, since that is what people are focusing on- especially pointing out how often he missed what looks NOW to be an obvious choice.

Blame him all you want, he saw what NE wanted him to see, and it worked.

Which also points out that they would have had a totally different response to Drew Brees.
 
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Even now, looking at the hind sight, it's done a great job taking Goff down as a potential great QB
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Potential great? Lol

I already said there's plenty of credit that should be given to NE's D but that thread did a good job of breaking down what the coverage was on each play, who was open, and what Goff chose to do. As well as his footwork and just plain missing throws completely.
 
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Goff would have had to have played great to win that game. He didn't. As others have said he was under constant pressure the likes of which shocked me for a team that struggled to get after the QB all year. I read he had 4 sacks and 12 hits. Not sure how many hurries he had as well but its possible that half the time he dropped back to pass somebody was either jumping on his head or real close to doing so. Small wonder he was a bit jittery out there. I too agree that he missed some throws but again he didn't have the time go through 4 reads before finding the open man.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Potential great? Lol

I already said there's plenty of credit that should be given to NE's D but that thread did a good job of breaking down what the coverage was on each play, who was open, and what Goff chose to do. As well as his footwork and just plain missing throws completely.
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Going into the game, the Rams were one of the highest scoring offenses of all time. Goff was a key part of that. Or are you saying he was not a key part of that? There was plenty of talk of how great he was, and how he was showing great creativity in his passing, as well as impressive accuracy.

After the game, everyone has scoffed at that talk.

Blame him all you want. Given the regular season, actually, include last season, Goff was very much a rising star. NE's plan took him totally out of the game.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...-los-angeles-rams-super-bowl-2019/2714971002/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...y-nfl-looks-next-generation-stars/2737184002/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...anging-a-lot-of-nfl-minds-with-super-bowl-run

The Rams didn't get to the Superbowl by accident.
 
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alfablue said:
Going into the game, the Rams were one of the highest scoring offenses of all time. Goff was a key part of that. Or are you saying he was not a key part of that? There was plenty of talk of how great he was, and how he was showing great creativity in his passing, as well as impressive accuracy.
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He's a product of a really good offense. McVay's offense is easily top 5, they have maybe the best RB in the game, and their WR's are all very much above average especially when Kupp is in the lineup. If you put Ryan Tannehill in it people would be saying all the same things about him and he'd probably be getting even more praise because his mechanics are objectively better, he's better in terms of assessing pressure, making reads, throwing accuracy on difficult throws, and footwork in the pocket.

Obviously I think some credit for the loss goes to McVay for whatever the hell happened with Gurley (unless he really was ineffective due to injury) too and NE's D line did a great job as Rover and others mentioned.

The Rams didn't get to the Superbowl by accident.
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Well they kinda did with that missed call but I agree that they had a really good offense all year and were a top 4 team.
 
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It will be interesting to see where Goff's career goes from here. Super Bowl history has a lot of young hot shot QB's who never made it back (Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick....Rex Grossman :D).
 
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Rover said:
It will be interesting to see where Goff's career goes from here. Super Bowl history has a lot of young hot shot QB's who never made it back (Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick....Rex Grossman :D).
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Rex! :D
 
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I don't recall too many QB's who thrive under intense pressure from the opponent's pass rush. The more I think of it, the more I put the blame on the coaches. They needed to dial up something different to counter the rush long before Goff got knocked down for the 12 time (which was probably the INT). Quick slants, screen passes, etc. Don't think handing the ball off more would have worked because the line wasn't holding up.

Beyond that though, your playmakers need to make plays and that's on the receivers. Edelman was getting open all day and Gronk showed up when it counted and made a great catch on the TD drive. Absolutely no skilled players on the Rams offense stepped up.
 
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It was Nantz or Romo that said BB didn't have to even throw five or six guys at Goff. He's young and still new to high pressure situations. Throw four guys at him in exotic packages. Just enough to confuse him. That should have been stopped by the coaches working with the line and backs as blockers.
 
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For the three people who care, the AAF starts this weekend on CBS. Overview:

- 35 second play clock
- No extra points, only two point conversions
- No kickoffs - receiving team gets the ball at their own 25
- "Onside kick" is a 4th and 12 from your own 28
- OT is one possession each, 1st and goal from the opposing 10, no field goals allowed, must go for 2 if you score. Game can end in a tie.
- "Skyjudge" who can overturn player safety calls/PI from the booth
 
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Twitch Boy said:
For the three people who care, the AAF starts this weekend on CBS. Overview:

- 35 second play clock
- No extra points, only two point conversions
- No kickoffs - receiving team gets the ball at their own 25
- "Onside kick" is a 4th and 12 from your own 28
- OT is one possession each, 1st and goal from the opposing 10, no field goals allowed, must go for 2 if you score. Game can end in a tie.
- "Skyjudge" who can overturn player safety calls/PI from the booth
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So, this is something else and not Vince McMcMahon's deal? I see XFL starting in 2020. Wow, another saturation of failed **** coming down the pike.
 
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Rover said:
I don't recall too many QB's who thrive under intense pressure from the opponent's pass rush. The more I think of it, the more I put the blame on the coaches. They needed to dial up something different to counter the rush long before Goff got knocked down for the 12 time (which was probably the INT). Quick slants, screen passes, etc. Don't think handing the ball off more would have worked because the line wasn't holding up.

Beyond that though, your playmakers need to make plays and that's on the receivers. Edelman was getting open all day and Gronk showed up when it counted and made a great catch on the TD drive. Absolutely no skilled players on the Rams offense stepped up.
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Or, he could have simplified his game package. But it seemed they kept on being the high flying Rams, and expected Goff to not have any issues.
 
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