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NFL 2016-17 II: Playoffs, Super Bowl, and Offseason

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St. Clown said:
I would bet that it's not very different in mindset from the politicians who attain great heights in their professional careers only to have it all come crashing down because they diddled a secretary or intern and later got caught or exposed. It becomes an ego thing.
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Hearing speculation that because he's dead, his guilty verdicts which were under appeal are vacated and now his family can collect on his his estate, NFL money, pension, etc.

That's another common reason.
 
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The Aaron Hernandez memes have been off the charts hilarious, if you like tasteless humor. I'm in stitches I'm laughing so hard.
 
Twitch Boy said:
Hearing speculation that because he's dead, his guilty verdicts which were under appeal are vacated and now his family can collect on his his estate, NFL money, pension, etc.

That's another common reason.
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That's one of the dumbest laws I've ever heard of, especially since the convicted person isn't needed for appeals to continue on anyway.

I sort of get it at the trial stage, since there's a right to confront witnesses which you obviously can't do if you're dead, but appeals are entirely legal work. Let the estate continue to fight it.
 
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Kepler said:
Most of them are really lazy. This isn't bad. Haven't seen anything clever yet, though. It's all... low hanging fruit.
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There was one: Who wore it better? Robin Williams or Aaron Hernandez?

And one that LMAO'd, "JUDGES HATE HIM! SEE HOW HERNANDEZ SHORTENED HIS LIFE SENTENCE WITH THIS SIMPLE TRICK!
 
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Twitch Boy said:
Hearing speculation that because he's dead, his guilty verdicts which were under appeal are vacated and now his family can collect on his his estate, NFL money, pension, etc.

That's another common reason.
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Just saw that Mass law says that if you die under appeal, the above is true.

MY question is, does suicide void that agreement/law? I would think the law is there in case you are murdered/die of natural causes. However, one accelerated his death, to profit for his family, possibly.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Just saw that Mass law says that if you die under appeal, the above is true.

MY question is, does suicide void that agreement/law? I would think the law is there in case you are murdered/die of natural causes. However, one accelerated his death, to profit for his family, possibly.
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I found this from a previous suicide in prison and the conviction was overturned.
As examples, the Globe notes the case of John C. Salvi, who in 1994 was convicted of killing two women at separate Massachusetts abortion clinics. Salvi killed himself in prison before his appeals were exhausted, and his convictions were overturned by a Massachusetts judge after an appeal
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-hernandezs-murder-conviction-will-be-voided/
 
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Can't the victim's family (Odin Lloyd) take the estate to the cleaners with a wrongful death lawsuit? So they get the money from the Pats but it goes right back out the door? Thought that was the deal with OJ with the exception of his NFL pension which couldn't be seized.
 
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Rover said:
Can't the victim's family (Odin Lloyd) take the estate to the cleaners with a wrongful death lawsuit? So they get the money from the Pats but it goes right back out the door? Thought that was the deal with OJ with the exception of his NFL pension which couldn't be seized.
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Life insurance payouts, annuities, etc. can be judgment proof depending on the state. Kenneth Lay pulled that trick when he went down for Enron.
 
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Rover said:
Can't the victim's family (Odin Lloyd) take the estate to the cleaners with a wrongful death lawsuit? So they get the money from the Pats but it goes right back out the door? Thought that was the deal with OJ with the exception of his NFL pension which couldn't be seized.
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I bet you'd find that most of that multi-million dollar Simpson judgment has gone unsatisfied. And keep in mind that Simpson wasn't convicted, so he was still out and ostensibly able to earn some cash.

Civil suits against murderers are usually never about the money. It's just one additional form of punishment for the wrongdoer. It's also a way to force a defendant who didn't testify in the criminal trial to actually have to be deposed or even take the stand and testify. As I recall, that happened in OJ's case.

I'd be surprised if Hernandez had a lot left in assets at the time of his death. He probably spent a lot on defending the two criminal cases against him. He hasn't been employed for quite awhile. I doubt he just had a couple of mil sitting in a bank account that he could draw on while serving out his prison term.
 
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SJHovey said:
I bet you'd find that most of that multi-million dollar Simpson judgment has gone unsatisfied. And keep in mind that Simpson wasn't convicted, so he was still out and ostensibly able to earn some cash.

Civil suits against murderers are usually never about the money. It's just one additional form of punishment for the wrongdoer. It's also a way to force a defendant who didn't testify in the criminal trial to actually have to be deposed or even take the stand and testify. As I recall, that happened in OJ's case.

I'd be surprised if Hernandez had a lot left in assets at the time of his death. He probably spent a lot on defending the two criminal cases against him. He hasn't been employed for quite awhile. I doubt he just had a couple of mil sitting in a bank account that he could draw on while serving out his prison term.
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True dat, but I do know he's got a 1.3M house sitting on the market right now. Does that go to his victim (the one that he was convicted of killing) or does it go to his daughter?
 
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Rover said:
True dat, but I do know he's got a 1.3M house sitting on the market right now. Does that go to his victim (the one that he was convicted of killing) or does it go to his daughter?
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I believe the estate would go to his daughter. If the murder is wiped from the books there was no crime and there would be no reason for a wrongful death lawsuit. It seems any time it's brought before an appeals court they side with the law.
 
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SonofSouthie said:
I believe the estate would go to his daughter. If the murder is wiped from the books there was no crime and there would be no reason for a wrongful death lawsuit. It seems any time it's brought before an appeals court they side with the law.
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But you don't have to be found criminally guilty in order to be found civilly liable do you?
 
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jerphisch said:
But you don't have to be found criminally guilty in order to be found civilly liable do you?
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I assume bc there is no criminal conviction and the defendant isn't alive to defend himself, things are much more difficult or even impossible to get anywhere?
 
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jerphisch said:
But you don't have to be found criminally guilty in order to be found civilly liable do you?
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No, you need not have been found guilty in order to be held criminally liable. That's how Ron Gold's parents got their justice against OJ, in some loosely applied manner or another, in court.
 
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St. Clown said:
No, you need not have been found guilty in order to be held criminally liable. That's how Ron Gold's parents got their justice against OJ, in some loosely applied manner or another, in court.
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Wait, are they a simple superset/subset relation? That is, if you are found criminally liable are you by definition civilly liable? I always thought they were entirely different charges, not the same charge tried at different standards (which seems like double jeopardy)?
 
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