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NFL 2015: Let's Talk About Balls

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One thing I had just heard from someone that I hadn't considered before is the possible effect of moisture on football air pressure. The moisture wicks away heat which in turn reduces pressure. If ("if") there were a significant time of possession difference between New England and Indianapolis during the first half, a calculation I saw indicated that the difference in moisture to which the footballs were exposed could be responsible for 1/2 pound of psi. then, if ("if") the New England footballs all started at 12.5 psi and the Indianapolis footballs all started at 13.5 psi, and both sets of footballs lost 1.0 psi during the first half from temperature.....then all the discrepancies do have a potential explanation.

A few "if"s.
 
FreshFish said:
closure on this ball-breaking nonsense?
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Not really. That mysterious room was a bathroom and the kid was in there 90 seconds. Gee, I wonder what he could possibly be doing in a bathroom. Maybe using the facilities?

Oh, and no, 90 seconds is not long enough for a guy to remove a pound of air pressure from a dozen footballs.
 
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Priceless said:
Not really. That mysterious room was a bathroom and the kid was in there 90 seconds. Gee, I wonder what he could possibly be doing in a bathroom. Maybe using the facilities?

Oh, and no, 90 seconds is not long enough for a guy to remove a pound of air pressure from a dozen footballs.
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Yeah, but if he's 15 it would probably be enough to remove pressure from two of them. *rimshot*
 
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FreshFish said:
One thing I had just heard from someone that I hadn't considered before is the possible effect of moisture on football air pressure. The moisture wicks away heat which in turn reduces pressure. If ("if") there were a significant time of possession difference between New England and Indianapolis during the first half, a calculation I saw indicated that the difference in moisture to which the footballs were exposed could be responsible for 1/2 pound of psi. then, if ("if") the New England footballs all started at 12.5 psi and the Indianapolis footballs all started at 13.5 psi, and both sets of footballs lost 1.0 psi during the first half from temperature.....then all the discrepancies do have a potential explanation.

A few "if"s.
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So, because of injuries, I stopped playing hockey a few years ago. Bored out of my mind, I decided to start "tracking" my car....Lime Rock, Watkins Glen, etc. Fabulous time and absolutely love it.

Heres something that I can tell you - 7 degrees of temperature in a time creates a 1 pound difference in the tire pressure. The stress placed on the tire over a 20 min run sometimes puts 70+ degrees of temp into the tire overall, and a 9+ pound increase in tire pressure (and tire pressures impact handling so an extremely important metric).

I'm not really into football, but my 18 and 22 yr old sons are and they are also huge Pats fans. So I took them to that game (they had never been to a pro game before). Great time. Cold as ***. I actually commented on the pressure in the ball decreasing (I literally said that if the ball was inflated in a 68 degree room and then adjusted to a 50 degree game temp, that the pressure would go down by maybe 2.5 pounds). Of course they laughed at me...until Monday when the "investigation" story broke.

Take anything inflated at a higher temp and allow to cool to a lower static temp and the pressure will decrease. I had to laugh when my youngest sent me the clip of the Belichick conference where he said just like the warning light in your car will go on that the tire temps are low until you drive the car and the pressure will increase enough for them the be correct again. Exactly.

This has to be an issue at EVERY game played out in the cold. Only way not to be is if someone is heating the balls to maintain the pressure (like the NFL says NOT to do).
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I have never come across a person so likeable and unlikeable at the same time. I love that he's trolling the gasbag media and the NFL. I absolutely love it. But man, just take five minutes and humor them. You're getting paid millions and chose to be a celebrity.
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I don't see the unlikeability. He's perfectly deflated the pompous idiocy that is sports "reporting." He's 100% likeable as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Senna said:
So, because of injuries, I stopped playing hockey a few years ago. Bored out of my mind, I decided to start "tracking" my car....Lime Rock, Watkins Glen, etc. Fabulous time and absolutely love it.

Heres something that I can tell you - 7 degrees of temperature in a time creates a 1 pound difference in the tire pressure. The stress placed on the tire over a 20 min run sometimes puts 70+ degrees of temp into the tire overall, and a 9+ pound increase in tire pressure (and tire pressures impact handling so an extremely important metric).

I'm not really into football, but my 18 and 22 yr old sons are and they are also huge Pats fans. So I took them to that game (they had never been to a pro game before). Great time. Cold as ***. I actually commented on the pressure in the ball decreasing (I literally said that if the ball was inflated in a 68 degree room and then adjusted to a 50 degree game temp, that the pressure would go down by maybe 2.5 pounds). Of course they laughed at me...until Monday when the "investigation" story broke.

Take anything inflated at a higher temp and allow to cool to a lower static temp and the pressure will decrease. I had to laugh when my youngest sent me the clip of the Belichick conference where he said just like the warning light in your car will go on that the tire temps are low until you drive the car and the pressure will increase enough for them the be correct again. Exactly.

This has to be an issue at EVERY game played out in the cold. Only way not to be is if someone is heating the balls to maintain the pressure (like the NFL says NOT to do).
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Your tire analogy isn't going to be as close as you want to think. Your tires occupy a much greater volume of space than a football does. That difference in volume will exagerate your variances. Add to that, your black tires will absorb a lot of energy on a sunny day vs the next day when the sky is cloudy and they're wet, there are too many variables for a good comparison.
 
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The only part of Lynch's act I don't like is that he's fine doing commercials and now apparently some other filmed thing.

If you say I won't talk to the media because I'm shy, reserved, have nothing to say, etc. then you also shouldn't be doing these other public things. He obviously isn't that uncomfortable.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
If you say I won't talk to the media because I'm shy, reserved, have nothing to say, etc. then you also shouldn't be doing these other public things. He obviously isn't that uncomfortable.
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Says who? On the one hand, the latter might be much more under his control. Social anxiety is a weird thing.

But I don't think it is social anxiety, it's calling BS on the machine that cranks out media sausage. Lynch is demonstrating, intentionally or not, that the whole premise of interviewing the players for their thoughts and comments concerning the opponent, the game, their team, etc is not served by the conveyor belt the league and media have built to gin up column inches (or tape inches, or disk bytes) of empty, cliche garbage and then affixing a player's name on it to make it a "quote."

It was always bad, but with ESPN and its copy-cats it's now just a joke. Lynch is paid to be a football player, and he's a great one. If his contract also says "thou shall take part in our dog and pony show" then he's actually doing them a favor by creating a story. They should be happy, but they're uncomfortable that the actual story is the demonstration that 98% of the talking heads involved with sports media are utterly unnecessary.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
The only part of Lynch's act I don't like is that he's fine doing commercials and now apparently some other filmed thing.

If you say I won't talk to the media because I'm shy, reserved, have nothing to say, etc. then you also shouldn't be doing these other public things. He obviously isn't that uncomfortable.
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Someone was reporting a long while ago that he started his media skipping, pedantic-answers act not because of shyness but because of the inane yes/no questions sports writers like to ask. He would answer yes or no, but then wouldn't expound on the topic, which is what the writers want. There are a few that can get some real exchanges out of him, but they're always away from the rest of the writers and they word questions so that yes/no responses aren't going to work - what he saw during a specific play, things like that. But now he won't answer those for just anyone, so it comes back to childish behavior.

The guy I like a little more with each interview is Richard Sherman. Instead of passively calling out the press for being either lazy or stupid, he's actively doing it by researching more on the topics about which they're asking than they do.
 
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Says who? On the one hand, the latter might be much more under his control. Social anxiety is a weird thing.

But I don't think it is social anxiety, it's calling BS on the machine that cranks out media sausage. Lynch is demonstrating, intentionally or not, that the whole premise of interviewing the players for their thoughts and comments concerning the opponent, the game, their team, etc is not served by the conveyor belt the league and media have built to gin up column inches (or tape inches, or disk bytes) of empty, cliche garbage and then affixing a player's name on it to make it a "quote."

It was always bad, but with ESPN and its copy-cats it's now just a joke. Lynch is paid to be a football player, and he's a great one. If his contract also says "thou shall take part in our dog and pony show" then he's actually doing them a favor by creating a story. They should be happy, but they're uncomfortable that the actual story is the demonstration that 98% of the talking heads involved with sports media are utterly unnecessary.
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I don't think it's anxiety either. His agent has said he doesn't like the attention. He just loves playing football. But even that is counter to the attention created by his self promotion in other media.

I agree the NFL is silly with its media rules. But I don't think Lynch is trying to show that with his act. I think that's just something someone in the media or an agent made up to cover him.
 
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I think if the media is so aggravated with him, they should give him exactly what he wants. Because I think it would be pretty amusing to see him sitting there for five minutes and have not one member of the press be at his station. He's getting attention without answering any questions. I don't know if anyone here remembers the show "Taxi." There was one episode I always think of nowadays with the press frenzy over everything. Bobby (the actor driving a cab) had a one-man show. He wrote a letter to the editor about a theater critic who never had a good review and had given a bad review to another show. He dared the critic to come to his show. The guy did. He met with Bobby in the taxi garage. Showed him the review, told him he did a great job, then tore it in half and said something like "A good review would make you a star. A bad review from me would also make you famous. But no review means you will simply fade away." I wonder really how he would react if everyone did ignore him. Could be an interesting case study on behavior.
 
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St. Clown said:
The guy I like a little more with each interview is Richard Sherman. Instead of passively calling out the press for being either lazy or stupid, he's actively doing it by researching more on the topics about which they're asking than they do.
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Sherman is hilarious, since the usual suspects tried to jam him into the Crazy Angry Black Man Oh God Kill Him Before He Rapes Erin Andrews!!!! box and instead he's 50x brighter (Stanford) than the typical sports "journalist" (Large Midwestern University), and he's light years ahead of them in his ability to control an interview, steer it towards (or away from) matters of substance, and then ram their idiotic concern trolling right back down their throats. Dude is a more eloquent opponent of the herpa-derps' racism than Ta-Nehisi Coates.
 
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