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New Poll Predictions for 1/10

Re: New Poll Predictions for 1/10

sticksnstones said:
Perhaps they did that against Franklin Pierce, but the Vit/Manley/Redlick line did something no other Geneseo line could do in that game...score. Manley scored two goals against Platty, and Vit had two assists. That said, I question the depth of the Geneseo forwards after this line. Guys like Rygiel and Arduin dont impress me too much. Their defense is pretty solid though; Scagnelli is a top defenseman.
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Geneseo is a fairly young team: you have to go to the 8th leading scorer to find a senior. (Brown is the only big scorer lost from last year, though that is indeed a very significant loss.) Several other players stepped up big last year on offense in their strong finish--guys like Decosse, Olsen, Yard, Iwamoto, and Arduin--I look for them to step up in the second half again. Rygiel is more of a role player and isn't expected to be a big point guy.
 
Re: New Poll Predictions for 1/10

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USCHO.com Division III Men's Poll
Minneapolis, Minn./January 10, 2011

  Team       (First Place)         Record   Pts  Last Week
 1 Oswego              (10)         15-2-0   290     2
 1 St. Norbert         (10)         13-2-0   290     1
 3 Norwich                           8-4-1   218     7
 4 Bowdoin                           8-2-0   213     4
 4 Manhattanville                   12-3-1   213     6
 6 Geneseo                          10-3-2   176     8
 7 Williams                          7-2-1   165     3
 8 Adrian                           10-3-0   155     9
 9 Milwaukee School of Engineering  11-2-0   129    11
10 Castleton                        10-2-0    93    12
11 Hamline                           8-3-2    87    10
11 Utica                            11-4-0    87    13
13 Gustavus Adolphus                 9-5-1    71     5
13 Plattsburgh                      10-4-1    71    NR
15 Neumann                           8-4-3    53    14

Others Receiving Votes: Wisconsin-Eau Claire 21, 
Wisconsin-Stout 21, Hobart 11, Wisconsin-Superior 9, 
Amherst 8, Massachusetts-Boston 8, St. Thomas 5, 
Hamilton 4, Massachusetts-Dartmouth 2

The USCHO.com Poll is compiled weekly and consists of 20 voters, including 18 coaches of Division III programs and two men's hockey writers. USCHO.com provides in-depth coverage of college hockey.

All i can say is WOW.

How Norwich is #3 after Manhattanville wiped the floor with us and they are behind us in the rankings is beyond me.

Also, I've never seen so many ties in all my days following college hockey.
 
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Must be nice to have your coach on the committee to bump your standing that much. This ranking is diffently a head scratcher. I also can't conceive OSU being tied with St Norbert. Maybe that was the deal of the week. I guess the men in the smoke filled room are starting early this year.
Oswego '89
 
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DIIIFan said:
Must be nice to have your coach on the committee to bump your standing that much. This ranking is diffently a head scratcher. I also can't conceive OSU being tied with St Norbert. Maybe that was the deal of the week. I guess the men in the smoke filled room are starting early this year.
Oswego '89
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First off, Coach McShane is on the NCAA Selection Committee, I have no knowledge of him being on the list of the USCHO.com Poll voters.

Second, Coach will be the first to tell you Manhattanville beat the pants off Norwich and was a better team.
 
altazo said:
Them being ranked above both Plattsburgh and a Stout team that beat them 6-1 less than 48 hrs ago is almost as big of a joke as SNC losing first place votes after being 51 seconds from consecutive shutouts to open the second semester...
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Oz did have consecutive shutouts, though not against ranked teams they are looking good again
 
Re: New Poll Predictions for 1/10

PrezdeJohnson09 said:
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USCHO.com Division III Men's Poll
Minneapolis, Minn./January 10, 2011

  Team       (First Place)         Record   Pts  Last Week
 1 Oswego              (10)         15-2-0   290     2
 1 St. Norbert         (10)         13-2-0   290     1
 3 Norwich                           8-4-1   218     7
 4 Bowdoin                           8-2-0   213     4
 4 Manhattanville                   12-3-1   213     6
 6 Geneseo                          10-3-2   176     8
 7 Williams                          7-2-1   165     3
 8 Adrian                           10-3-0   155     9
 9 Milwaukee School of Engineering  11-2-0   129    11
10 Castleton                        10-2-0    93    12
11 Hamline                           8-3-2    87    10
11 Utica                            11-4-0    87    13
13 Gustavus Adolphus                 9-5-1    71     5
13 Plattsburgh                      10-4-1    71    NR
15 Neumann                           8-4-3    53    14

Others Receiving Votes: Wisconsin-Eau Claire 21, 
Wisconsin-Stout 21, Hobart 11, Wisconsin-Superior 9, 
Amherst 8, Massachusetts-Boston 8, St. Thomas 5, 
Hamilton 4, Massachusetts-Dartmouth 2

The USCHO.com Poll is compiled weekly and consists of 20 voters, including 18 coaches of Division III programs and two men's hockey writers. USCHO.com provides in-depth coverage of college hockey.

All i can say is WOW.

How Norwich is #3 after Manhattanville wiped the floor with us and they are behind us in the rankings is beyond me.

Also, I've never seen so many ties in all my days following college hockey.
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I am not going to say Plattsburgh should be ranked any higher, BUT Norwich at number 3 makes no sense at all. As previously said they were wiped up by Mahattenville and have lost twice to Plattsburgh!! The second loss giving up 7 goals after being up by 2 goals until less than a minute left in the first period THIS WEEK! I just do not understand what the voters are basing it on. Manhattenville should by all means be ranked ahead of or tied with Norwich.
 
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Birdwatcher said:
I am not going to say Plattsburgh should be ranked any higher, BUT Norwich at number 3 makes no sense at all. As previously said they were wiped up by Mahattenville and have lost twice to Plattsburgh!! The second loss giving up 7 goals after being up by 2 goals until less than a minute left in the first period THIS WEEK! I just do not understand what the voters are basing it on. Manhattenville should by all means be ranked ahead of or tied with Norwich.
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Plattsburgh probably should be higher but they are still being punished by their pour start to the season for some reason despite the fact they have the nation's longest unbeaten streak and have beaten the #3 team in the nation twice during that streak.

Plattsburgh is easily a top 10 team in the country but because of the way the polls work, they're only down at 13.

One things for sure, you can bet the farm that Plattsburgh will be ahead of Norwich when the first NCAA rankings come out as long as too much doesn't change.
 
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DIIIFan said:
Must be nice to have your coach on the committee to bump your standing that much. This ranking is diffently a head scratcher. I also can't conceive OSU being tied with St Norbert. Maybe that was the deal of the week. I guess the men in the smoke filled room are starting early this year.
Oswego '89
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Oh, God, here we go again.

How many times do we have to explain that ths USCHO poll has NOTHING to do with the NCAA committee that picks the playoff teams? A billion times? A trillion times? Or, are some people so dense, they create human black holes...
 
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Birdwatcher said:
I am not going to say Plattsburgh should be ranked any higher, BUT Norwich at number 3 makes no sense at all. As previously said they were wiped up by Mahattenville and have lost twice to Plattsburgh!! The second loss giving up 7 goals after being up by 2 goals until less than a minute left in the first period THIS WEEK! I just do not understand what the voters are basing it on. Manhattenville should by all means be ranked ahead of or tied with Norwich.
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Well, then, I better not tell you how my poll looked... :eek:
 
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This Poll means NOTHING!! It has nothing to do with the NCAA selections. Heres what a real poll looks like!

1- St. Norbert
2- Oswego
3- Manhattanville
4- Bowdoin
5- Norwich
6- Geneseo
7- Williams
8- Adrian
9- Milwaukee School of Engineering
10- Castleton
11- Plattsburgh
12- Hamline
13- Utica
14- Neumann
15- Wisconsin-Stout
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
All i can say is WOW.

How Norwich is #3 after Manhattanville wiped the floor with us and they are behind us in the rankings is beyond me.
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Birdwatcher said:
I am not going to say Plattsburgh should be ranked any higher, BUT Norwich at number 3 makes no sense at all. As previously said they were wiped up by Mahattenville and have lost twice to Plattsburgh!! The second loss giving up 7 goals after being up by 2 goals until less than a minute left in the first period THIS WEEK! I just do not understand what the voters are basing it on. Manhattenville should by all means be ranked ahead of or tied with Norwich.
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The voters were most likely voting primarily on the results of this weekends action (I say this weekend as the voters clearly didn't take Monday's 7-4 loss to Plattsburgh into account). Three of the teams that Norwich jumped (Bowdoin, Williams, and Gustavus Adolphus) all lost this weekend, while Manhattanville nearly lost to Cortland. Since Norwich won both their games, they get the benefit of leapfrogging everyone. Also, being the defending National Champions, they get the benefit of the doubt as well.

A similar example: Earlier this year, Gustavus Adolphus had a weekend against Bethel where they lost 4-1, then barely escaped with a 5-4 victory the next night. In the next poll, the Gusties moved up from #7 to #6. They moved up because teams in front of them (Middlebury and Manhattanville) lost that week, while teams that were in position to jump over them (UW-Stevens Point, Elmira, and Plattsburgh) also lost that week.

altazo said:
Clearly, Gustavus should not be ranked.

http://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/gustavus-adolphus/mens-hockey/2010-2011/

Them being ranked above both Plattsburgh and a Stout team that beat them 6-1 less than 48 hrs ago is almost as big of a joke as SNC losing first place votes after being 51 seconds from consecutive shutouts to open the second semester...
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As for Gustavus Adolphus, they've been coasting on their National Championship game appearance for the last two years (somehow, Neumann gets less respect in the polls for them winning the National Championship, and rightly so). I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to pretend that Gustavus isn't there. I'll just pretend that there's a random MASCAC team in their place (there are five MASCAC teams with better records than Gustavus, and only one of them got votes this week).

PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Also, I've never seen so many ties in all my days following college hockey.
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About the four ties in the poll this week, that is a record. In fact, there have only been four instances of there being more than one tie for position in the polls (12/3/2007 (two ties), 1/2/2007 (three ties), 3/7/2005 (three-way tie for 9th), and 1/11/1999 (only ten spots in the poll))
 
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According to the KRACH rankings Utica plays the #1 SOS in the country. Of their 4 losses two were to Oswego(2-1 and 3-1 open netter) Elmira very early in the season and Neumann very early. I don't agree that beating Cortland 10-1 was because Cortland played M-Ville the night before. Does that mean because Utica thumped Curry the night before 5-2 that Oswego beat Curry 3-0 ??? Naaa UC could be higher than #11 tied right now. Polls don't mean jack....but it's still fun. Utica looked as good as I've seen them when they beat M-Ville pretty easily.
 
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sshablak said:
According to the KRACH rankings Utica plays the #1 SOS in the country. Of their 4 losses two were to Oswego(2-1 and 3-1 open netter) Elmira very early in the season and Neumann very early. I don't agree that beating Cortland 10-1 was because Cortland played M-Ville the night before. Does that mean because Utica thumped Curry the night before 5-2 that Oswego beat Curry 3-0 ??? Naaa UC could be higher than #11 tied right now. Polls don't mean jack....but it's still fun. Utica looked as good as I've seen them when they beat M-Ville pretty easily.
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Gustavus has played the 57th "toughest" schedule out of the 71 teams in the KRACH and has a 9-5-1 record, yet is ranked 14th...

Eventually the national championship appearance two years ago and strong season last year card is going to wear thin.
 
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I tried to piece together what the first NCAA poll might look like right now and I had a really hard time placing every team in the ECAC West outside of Manhattanville. How much creedence is the SOS card going to boost the ECAC West teams with so so records? Where should they all fall? Because honestly I can't tell you, not that anyone can because the numbers are subjective.

But seriously where do you put them?

The only thing IMHO that is pretty much concrete is the top two are:

1.Oswego (14-2) with wins over Elmira (2), Utica (2), Plattsburgh, and Geneseo
2.Manhattanville (11-3-1) with wins over Norwich, Amherst, Hobart (tied Williams)

After that it's all over the place.

Who's next? (not in particular order, just maybe the next tier)

Plattsburgh (9-4-1) with wins over Norwich (2) and Neumann (tie with Elmira)
Hobart (8-4-1) with wins over Elmira, Oswego, and Neumann
Utica (11-4-0) with wins over Manhattanville, Hobart, Amherst
Williams (7-2-1) with wins over no one really (tied Manhattanville)
Geneseo (9-2-2) with wins over Neumann, Hamline, Hobart, and Plattsburgh
Bowdoin (8-2-0) with wins over Castleton and UMass-Boston

Then who?

Norwich (8-4-1) with a win over Bowdoin and a tie against Amherst
Neumann (8-4-3) with wins over Elmira, Utica, and Manhattanville
Elmira (7-5-3) with wins over Utica, Manhattanville, and Neumann (tie with Plattsburgh)
Castleton (10-2-0) with a win over Norwich

Having done this now...I think Williams and Bowdoin belong in the third tier.

It's an absolute mess right now.
 
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