What's new
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

Re: New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

http://www.uscho.com/2011/12/01/new-kid-stevenson-starts-womens-program/

Here's my column for this week on Stevenson starting up D-III women's hockey next year for the 2012-13 season.

Great to talk with Coach Vis and I think Stevenson is in this to become a factor in D-III women's hockey and not just the 50th team to have it.

Nice piece Derek. Really happy for coach's Vis and Lye but really disappointed that the ECAC West voted not to accept them. My understanding is that the vote was close and one team.... whom by the way should have little business in determining anyones fate, was the deciding vote.... :(
 
Re: New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

Nice piece Derek. Really happy for coach's Vis and Lye but really disappointed that the ECAC West voted not to accept them. My understanding is that the vote was close and one team.... whom by the way should have little business in determining anyones fate, was the deciding vote.... :(

I agree that it's too bad the ECAC West voted them down. We should be finding ways to expand our game, not be detrimental to growth. JMO.

Maybe next year the story will be different with the ever-changing landscape of D-III women's hockey.
 
Re: New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

Nice piece Derek. Really happy for coach's Vis and Lye but really disappointed that the ECAC West voted not to accept them. My understanding is that the vote was close and one team.... whom by the way should have little business in determining anyones fate, was the deciding vote.... :(

Are you saying the school that shouldn't be "determining anyone's fate" is a school that does not field a good team or is it a school that may not be in the conference (or in D3) much longer?
 
Re: New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

I'm saying both.

I've heard it was more like the SUNY's (Denied) vs the Privates (Accept) regarding Stevenson getting into the league. One school on the private side went with the SUNY's because of travel, cost containment, and they want their men's team to be able to join the SUNYAC in the near future. But since we're not mentioning any names on here, they wear orange but not black and orange.
 
I've heard it was more like the SUNY's (Denied) vs the Privates (Accept) regarding Stevenson getting into the league. One school on the private side went with the SUNY's because of travel, cost containment, and they want their men's team to be able to join the SUNYAC in the near future. But since we're not mentioning any names on here, they wear orange but not black and orange.

Well that sure was coy... ;)
 
Re: New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

I've heard it was more like the SUNY's (Denied) vs the Privates (Accept) regarding Stevenson getting into the league. One school on the private side went with the SUNY's because of travel, cost containment, and they want their men's team to be able to join the SUNYAC in the near future. But since we're not mentioning any names on here, they wear orange but not black and orange.

No doubt that a major realignment in the ECAC West is afoot..but I've read before on these boards that the SUNY love-in was not happening until 2016 and RIT had to wait 14 years to go D1 :) so...I wonder what any of that has to do with ECAC West accepting Stevenson this year?

I shudder to think that the final decision would come down to the SUNY bus gas budget...that would be a real shame. :(
 
Last edited:
Re: New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

I heard from a few people in the rinks that it had everything to do with travel. For most teams in the west it would require two nights of hotels, three days of meals, and three days with bus. It could cost schools 5K-7K just to play two games. If I was a voting AD, and our league already had an AQ, why would I vote to take on this expense. Do you think we would be having this conversation if Naz had decide to add women's hockey also?
 
Re: New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

I heard from a few people in the rinks that it had everything to do with travel. For most teams in the west it would require two nights of hotels, three days of meals, and three days with bus. It could cost schools 5K-7K just to play two games. If I was a voting AD, and our league already had an AQ, why would I vote to take on this expense. Do you think we would be having this conversation if Naz had decide to add women's hockey also?

I disagree completely with the assertion that for "most teams" it would require two nights hotel and three days of meals. With a night game the first night, every one of those schools with the exception of probably Platty and Potsdam could make the trip the day of the game. Even with a 6-ish hour trip, you can leave at a decent hour...say 8am...and make it to your destination by 2 in the afternoon. Plenty of time to sit down for a pregame meal, get the bus legs out, and skate at 7pm. You probably play at 2 or 3pm the second day, and you are out of the rink by 5 or 6 pm and home around midnight. Sure you'd rather have a 3 hour trip, but that is not an unreasonable schedule, especially considering it's only a trip you'd have to make EVERY OTHER season.

Rough travel times to Owings Mills, MD

Buff St: 6:15
Elmira: 4:15
Chatham: 4:00
Utica: 6:00
Cortland: 4:45
Oswego: 6:00
Platty: 8:15
RIT: 5:15
Neumann: 1:15
Potsdam: 8:00

And if it's true that it was the SUNYAC's and Utica that voted against this, then why is Buff State driving to Plymouth (an 8 hour trip) for 2 games and a single at Castleton? Sure it's 3 games instead of two...but 3 nights hotel, 4 days worth of meals...

Cortland drove 3:30 hours to play 2 games against a club team. They can't drive an extra hour and 15 mins every other year to play a varsity team?

Oswego is driving 4.5 hours to play a single non conference game against Amherst and later in the season is driving a little over 5 hours to play two non conference games against Sacred Heart...but 6 hours every other year for a couple of league games is too much?

Then when you factor in that there is already a team in the league that is a very large distance from virtually every other school...that is not committed to their program, does not provide it the resources to be successful, and has not played a varsity non-conference game in 2 years but you're letting them stick around at the expense of a team that actually wants to put a good product on the ice, I can see where it's a little frustrating.

Do what's best for the game and help grow the sport, especially if travel is the best excuse they can come up with...because at least to me, it doesnt look like their actions are supporting what their mouths are saying.
 
Re: New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

Do what's best for the game and help grow the sport, especially if travel is the best excuse they can come up with...

To be fair, they haven't come up with any "excuse". As far as I know, the ECAC West has been silent on the issue.


Powers &8^]
 
Re: New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

Can't help but think that one way to have averted all of this is to have disallowed any voting member from casting a ballot that has had sanctions placed against their programs for NCAA recruiting violations.

The inmates are running the asylum here folks. :rolleyes:
 
Re: New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

Can't help but think that one way to have averted all of this is to have disallowed any voting member from casting a ballot that has had sanctions placed against their programs for NCAA recruiting violations.

The inmates are running the asylum here folks. :rolleyes:
Is that a potshot?
 
Re: New Kid: Stevenson Starts Women's Program

I'd say the result of the vote speaks plenty...wouldn't you?

I'm just saying "The only reason we can think of that they would have rejected the application is distance" is not the same as "They said Stevenson was too far away".


Powers &8^]
 
Back
Top