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New CCHA Back From The Ashes.

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moose97 said:
I don't care if you're impartial. The notion that one school should dictate anything about any conference is bull****. Alabama isn't bigger than the SEC nor is Ohio State bigger than the Big 10. Unless you're Notre Dame who's been independent since forever in football, you need your conference members on your side. Not to act like you are better than them.

And, I say this as a NMU & BSU fan who currently lives closer to BG/Toledo (2 hours) than any other college hockey team, so having it at the Huntington Center would personally benefit me over the teams. And I still think its a terrible idea
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Enough. No one "dictated" anything to anyone. Bowling Green did not put a gun to the heads of your NMU and BSU athletic directors. The schools you root for could have easily told the organizing committee "Thanks but no thanks." But they didn't. And this "acting better than your conference mates" is nothing more than projection on your part. I understand people are upset and hurt (to put it mildly) and rightfully so. And I understand my school has to be the lightning rod because we've been the most vocal about the league. But I have to throw the BS flag when the conversation veers off the cliff.
 
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The only location that would make logical sense for a non-campus site championship would be in the Chicago area. I’d be surprised if they went away from the campus site for playoffs though.
 
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TalonsUpPuckDown said:
Enough. No one "dictated" anything to anyone. Bowling Green did not put a gun to the heads of your NMU and BSU athletic directors. The schools you root for could have easily told the organizing committee "Thanks but no thanks." But they didn't. And this "acting better than your conference mates" is nothing more than projection on your part. I understand people are upset and hurt (to put it mildly) and rightfully so. And I understand my school has to be the lightning rod because we've been the most vocal about the league. But I have to throw the BS flag when the conversation veers off the cliff.
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I wasn't directing my angst towards BG. I was directing it towards @Hockeybuckeye who suggested that BG should be able to dictate things
 
BGDrew said:
The only location that would make logical sense for a non-campus site championship would be in the Chicago area. I’d be surprised if they went away from the campus site for playoffs though.
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If you thought the Thursday CCHA game was empty, that's how any Chicago venue would look for a CCHA weekend. This is a Blackhawks town. Even support for the AHL Wolves is waning, and somehow the USHL Steel are making a go of it with poor turnout at a park district rink in the west suburbs. (To be honest, the Steel have been great to watch these last few years, and I'm spoiled with them in practically my backyard.)

Northwestern or DePaul would have been a logical choice to test the D1 Hockey waters (UIC will likely never field a team again unfortunately). But, no school capitalized on the meteoric success of the Blackhawks which is now fading. The nearest D1 hockey school is Notre Dame, and they trialed a winter tourney a decade ago in the region and quickly killed that idea.


Shy of Green Bay (which would be a pain-in-the-dick for FSU and BGSU), campus sites make the best sense.
 
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moose97 said:
I wasn't directing my angst towards BG. I was directing it towards @Hockeybuckeye who suggested that BG should be able to dictate things
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Moose you completely misunderstood what I said. I showed a quote from aparch that he made about championships in Toledo. I made a comment that was response to him and a speculative question, not an accusation that influence was happening or should happen. You got worked up for nothing.
 
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Well here's a different question. let's say both Miami and wmu did indeed agree to switch. How would they fare in the new league. Would they, as they believe walk away with it. Wipe the floor with the other teams and get a bid every year? Or would they be another mid-pack team.
Second, WMU thinks somehow that by switching they will hurt their recruiting. they are happy where they are, even if they have a losing season most years.

What's the groups' opinion of this.
Personally I think they will be mid pack. They have played the other teams in their conference tough, yes but.... they have a S*** rink, they have an old coach who is past his prime and they don't understand, and neither does all those know it all writers from Boston, that College hockey is very even. Because you play in the NCHC or any other league, it doesn't mean you will automatically have a better nhl career, or get any more exposure and make more money in your career or learn hockey better or whatever.
 
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manurespreader said:
Well here's a different question. let's say both Miami and wmu did indeed agree to switch. How would they fare in the new league. Would they, as they believe walk away with it. Wipe the floor with the other teams and get a bid every year? Or would they be another mid-pack team.
Second, WMU thinks somehow that by switching they will hurt their recruiting. they are happy where they are, even if they have a losing season most years.

What's the groups' opinion of this.
Personally I think they will be mid pack. They have played the other teams in their conference tough, yes but.... they have a S*** rink, they have an old coach who is past his prime and they don't understand, and neither does all those know it all writers from Boston, that College hockey is very even. Because you play in the NCHC or any other league, it doesn't mean you will automatically have a better nhl career, or get any more exposure and make more money in your career or learn hockey better or whatever.
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My son is a Miami alum and I spend a fair amount of time in Oxford so I'll take a guess here that if the new conference could be an option for them I think they will be in a wait and see mode.
I believe first and foremost they will want to see if the program will rebound in time now that Enrico is gone and if the new coaching staff can achieve restoration of the program before they think of going elsewhere conference wise.
As they are now they won't dominate any conference.
 
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manurespreader said:
Well here's a different question. let's say both Miami and wmu did indeed agree to switch. How would they fare in the new league. Would they, as they believe walk away with it. Wipe the floor with the other teams and get a bid every year? Or would they be another mid-pack team.
Second, WMU thinks somehow that by switching they will hurt their recruiting. they are happy where they are, even if they have a losing season most years.

What's the groups' opinion of this.
Personally I think they will be mid pack. They have played the other teams in their conference tough, yes but.... they have a S*** rink, they have an old coach who is past his prime and they don't understand, and neither does all those know it all writers from Boston, that College hockey is very even. Because you play in the NCHC or any other league, it doesn't mean you will automatically have a better nhl career, or get any more exposure and make more money in your career or learn hockey better or whatever.
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Miami would probably still be near the bottom of the new league, at least for a few years. I think recruiting may be easier if they were part of the new CCHA, since even though you're not playing against some of the big names like NoDak, Denver, SCSU,etc, you're likely to win a few more games in the new CCHA.

Western would probably be like how Mankato or MTU was when the nWCHA shook out - be either at or near the top of the table. I don't think they run away with it, but if they've been fielding good teams the last couple of seasons.

just my few cents. But the fact is nobody can know how a team is going to do year over year. I certainly didn't expect last year's LSSU team, just like I didn't expect after last season to be looking at 10 wins this season. Blegh.
 
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BGDrew said:
The only location that would make logical sense for a non-campus site championship would be in the Chicago area. I’d be surprised if they went away from the campus site for playoffs though.
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Since the campus site championship games have been completely sold out, is there a reason we'd want to quit doing them on campus?
 
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MTUHuskies said:
Interesting point if view from Adam Wodon. Gotta say I agree with him this time.

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2020/02/19_Forget-the-Name,-New-CCHA.php

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I don't and I think he thinks he knows more about our league than he does. For instance, he says Bemidji will be good once every 5 years.

I thought they were better last year honestly.
Those guys were SHOCKED when NMU beat BU this year. And they were surprised when they played Cornell as close as they did.
 
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manurespreader said:
I don't and I think he thinks he knows more about our league than he does. For instance, he says Bemidji will be good once every 5 years.

I thought they were better last year honestly.
Those guys were SHOCKED when NMU beat BU this year. And they were surprised when they played Cornell as close as they did.
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Where is any of that said?I feel like you made all of that up. It also has nothing to do with what was posted.
 
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Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.

MTUHuskies said:
Interesting point if view from Adam Wodon. Gotta say I agree with him this time.

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2020/02/19_Forget-the-Name,-New-CCHA.php

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That was a good read - thanks!
When I commented about Miami I had forgotten that my son had told me they weren't happy with the cost and distance of travel in the NCHC which definitely could be a factor in wanting to be a part of the new CCHA.
 
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manurespreader said:
Todays podcast. Which otherwise was a waste of time listening to. Well besides Bill Crawford, who was good. Chasing the MacNaughton is a lot better.
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you'll need to do better than that.

Interestingly Bemidji has been more than 2 games over .500 once in 10 years. So, every 5 years seems about right - depending on your definition of good, I guess. You said they were better last year, when their record was 15-17-6. This year, 18-8. LOL.
 
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Hockeybuckeye said:
That was a good read - thanks!
When I commented about Miami I had forgotten that my son had told me they weren't happy with the cost and distance of travel in the NCHC which definitely could be a factor in wanting to be a part of the new CCHA.
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Interesting read. I hadn't really paid much attention to Miami and Western before, but watching them on CBSSN this year, I think I do agree with some of the points made about recruiting. I think Western has been able to leverage their spot in the NCHC to get some high quality players. Guys like McGing, Allison, Frank, and Attard were coveted by pretty much everyone when they played in the USHL. The Miami guys (for the most part) weren't nearly as highly sought after in the USHL. The question would be, if you're Miami, why would you think switching conferences to one without TV exposure, without a national TV contract, without having the last 4 national champs, would IMPROVE your recruiting?
 
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I don't think Wodon is suggesting anything in his article which isn't obviously apparent.

I have no contacts anywhere. My only information is what I read here, basically, and I could have told you that....
1) Miami would consider moving to the new CCHA
2) WMU might, but likely won't....based on their comments when the NCHC was born
3) NCHC would NOT be excited about Mankato or Bemidji joining them, because neither has sufficient panache

4) Alaska schools and Huntsville have financial issues
5) ASU isn't a good fit for any conference...

Those things are just clear from a little bit of common knowledge.

If there is something interesting in that article, it's the suggestion that RoMo, Mercyhurst, Niagara or Canisius might be interested....
 
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Numbers said:
I don't think Wodon is suggesting anything in his article which isn't obviously apparent.
3) NCHC would NOT be excited about Mankato or Bemidji joining them, because neither has sufficient panache
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It was always my understanding that Mankato was going to be added to the NCHC when they and ASU applied for membership. Only reason they didn't get in is because of ASU. ASU will need to get shovels in the ground and start construction on their new ice rink before the NCHC considers them.
 
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Mankato doesn't have the panache of those recently great hockey schools Omaha and Miami?
 
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