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New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
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moose97
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Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
https://triblive.com/sports/number-of-eliminated-college-sports-programs-nearing-100/
And, as an aside, shame on each one of you who donated to UAH at the expense of *your* school. Brown cut 11 sports. BGSU cut baseball. Nearly 100 college sports have been cut already. Whenever *your* school decides to drop a sport, do you expect UAH fans to bail your school out?
https://triblive.com/sports/number-of-eliminated-college-sports-programs-nearing-100/
Charger #2
Registered User
Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
Just to bring some more context to the fundraising...over $500,000 of the funds raised were from UAH hockey alum (former players) and over 65% of alum donated. I also participated in a zoom meeting that had over 90 alum on it. Noting this was all done in 4 days, I would suggest that there is a much better chance of sustainability than some may think!! Now that there is an advisory group, there is now the opportunity to stay in touch with the alumni base....something that rarely happened up to this point. Go Chargers!
Just to bring some more context to the fundraising...over $500,000 of the funds raised were from UAH hockey alum (former players) and over 65% of alum donated. I also participated in a zoom meeting that had over 90 alum on it. Noting this was all done in 4 days, I would suggest that there is a much better chance of sustainability than some may think!! Now that there is an advisory group, there is now the opportunity to stay in touch with the alumni base....something that rarely happened up to this point. Go Chargers!
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
"Do not report:
Pledges until funds are provided to athletics for use
Contributions to be used in other reporting years"
So, for the 2010 campaign it would appear that only the $743 thousand was actually received by the end of the fiscal year. Furthermore, contributions for 2010-19 totaled just $1.385 million, well short of the $2 million the article mentioned. The article also states the goal was $5 million, some of which would be used to endow hockey scholarships. I don't know how that money is reported, but the NCAA also has a category for money received from endowment scholarships each year and BGSU has reported $0 for hockey on every report (2010-19) I have. So, even if they did receive some money for endowed scholarships they have yet to draw upon it. So, all-in-all, while the campaign may have saved hockey, in the end it appears to have fallen well short of its stated and reported goals.
It's possible that the school directed some of the donated money into the general athletic fund, as a look at BGSU's non-sports specific donations for 2010 and 2011 were very high, but that is not supposed to happen if the donor states the sport their donation is for. Here are the annual non-sports specific donations:
2010 $1,689,341
2011 $1,627,101
2012 $218,686
2013 $255,807
2014 $344,731
2015 $794,706
2016 $728,001
2017 $809,233
2018 $903,475
2019 $944,966
As for the $2 million "transformative" gift made in 2017-18 to advance the future of the hockey rink, the school did not report any of that as going to hockey in their annual NCAA reports. Maybe, it was also included in the non-sports specific donations: is the hockey rink used for any other sports?
Sean
The 2010-14 NCAA reports state "Do not report pledges until funds are allocated." From 2015 on the NCAA modified it to
"Do not report:
Pledges until funds are provided to athletics for use
Contributions to be used in other reporting years"
So, for the 2010 campaign it would appear that only the $743 thousand was actually received by the end of the fiscal year. Furthermore, contributions for 2010-19 totaled just $1.385 million, well short of the $2 million the article mentioned. The article also states the goal was $5 million, some of which would be used to endow hockey scholarships. I don't know how that money is reported, but the NCAA also has a category for money received from endowment scholarships each year and BGSU has reported $0 for hockey on every report (2010-19) I have. So, even if they did receive some money for endowed scholarships they have yet to draw upon it. So, all-in-all, while the campaign may have saved hockey, in the end it appears to have fallen well short of its stated and reported goals.
It's possible that the school directed some of the donated money into the general athletic fund, as a look at BGSU's non-sports specific donations for 2010 and 2011 were very high, but that is not supposed to happen if the donor states the sport their donation is for. Here are the annual non-sports specific donations:
2010 $1,689,341
2011 $1,627,101
2012 $218,686
2013 $255,807
2014 $344,731
2015 $794,706
2016 $728,001
2017 $809,233
2018 $903,475
2019 $944,966
As for the $2 million "transformative" gift made in 2017-18 to advance the future of the hockey rink, the school did not report any of that as going to hockey in their annual NCAA reports. Maybe, it was also included in the non-sports specific donations: is the hockey rink used for any other sports?
Sean
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Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
As for Brown, mentioning them here is pure misdirection, as their dropping 11 varsity sports has nothing to do with the coronavirus, but is a planned reorganization of sports, the review of which began in 2018. Furthermore, Brown is not cutting the athletic budget, but is reallocating the $500,000 or so spent on the cut sports to other sports, with women's soccer and men's basketball being mentioned. And finally, Brown is adding two varsity sports, women's sailing and coed sailing, giving Brown 29 varsity sports. You can read the Providence Journal article yourself, if you are interested.
Sean
I'm not sure why you are so against UAH keeping hockey, but shame on YOU for trying to shame fans of other teams who donated to keep the UAH program alive.
As for Brown, mentioning them here is pure misdirection, as their dropping 11 varsity sports has nothing to do with the coronavirus, but is a planned reorganization of sports, the review of which began in 2018. Furthermore, Brown is not cutting the athletic budget, but is reallocating the $500,000 or so spent on the cut sports to other sports, with women's soccer and men's basketball being mentioned. And finally, Brown is adding two varsity sports, women's sailing and coed sailing, giving Brown 29 varsity sports. You can read the Providence Journal article yourself, if you are interested.
Sean
gfmorris
New member
Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
No, but you play differently to pull the goalie to tie the game than you do when you're back to even.
Look, this was a plan fomented between Friday afternoon and Monday. It was dropped on Monday night. Four days later, they had more than $500k. That's impressive.
I don't think that folks knew that the numbers were this bad. Hell, I look at the numbers that Sean posted and truly worry about some of those schools!
Let's be very, very clear: UAH is going to go from shouldering the burden of the program to effectively subsidizing it, to the tune of $500k/yr or so. Anything above and beyond that will come from donors. Lake Superior can get by on $37k of yearly donations because the school will fund it. UAH just won't, for lots of reasons. Is that really a problem? If the money is there, I don't know that it matters whose pockets it comes from. Big-time college football is funded by millions (and in the SEC, likely tens of millions) of dollars every year. Is it unreasonable to think that this model would work in Huntsville? We have a high-tech town with lots of folks with disposable income, many of whom went to UAH.
Academic studies show time and again that people are more likely to give money when asked, with a full fundraising goal in mind, and in knowing where it's going. We saw that this week.
That said, it has to scale. The program needs 2.5-3x what was raised this week at a minimum, in my estimation. You're not going to get that in another month of fundraising. You're going to get it in sustained solicitation of funds led by a strong voice or voices that are ready to make it work.
Please know that I think we have those people and that we stand a half-decent shot at it. But it's just not done. It's barely started.
GFM
No, but you play differently to pull the goalie to tie the game than you do when you're back to even.
Look, this was a plan fomented between Friday afternoon and Monday. It was dropped on Monday night. Four days later, they had more than $500k. That's impressive.
I don't think that folks knew that the numbers were this bad. Hell, I look at the numbers that Sean posted and truly worry about some of those schools!
Let's be very, very clear: UAH is going to go from shouldering the burden of the program to effectively subsidizing it, to the tune of $500k/yr or so. Anything above and beyond that will come from donors. Lake Superior can get by on $37k of yearly donations because the school will fund it. UAH just won't, for lots of reasons. Is that really a problem? If the money is there, I don't know that it matters whose pockets it comes from. Big-time college football is funded by millions (and in the SEC, likely tens of millions) of dollars every year. Is it unreasonable to think that this model would work in Huntsville? We have a high-tech town with lots of folks with disposable income, many of whom went to UAH.
Academic studies show time and again that people are more likely to give money when asked, with a full fundraising goal in mind, and in knowing where it's going. We saw that this week.
That said, it has to scale. The program needs 2.5-3x what was raised this week at a minimum, in my estimation. You're not going to get that in another month of fundraising. You're going to get it in sustained solicitation of funds led by a strong voice or voices that are ready to make it work.
Please know that I think we have those people and that we stand a half-decent shot at it. But it's just not done. It's barely started.
GFM
Up until the May Board of Trustees meeting, the Ice Arena was part of the Department of Recreation and Wellness. That changed earlier this month when it was moved back to athletics along with some other reorganization.
MavHockey14
New member
Not saying ASU would be interested, or that I’d want them as the 8th team (which I think will be St Thomas anyway) but I’m taking a Power 5 school with an incredibly high undergrad enrollment over UAH side by side at this point, not even a question. Virtually the same travel concerns but AZ > AL, etc.
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Alaska Hockey
Registered User
Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
I wonder how much each ccha team would have to pay for ASU to lower their standards and come play with the hicks? Every body has a number. askin for a friend....... 17K probaly starting pt.
I wonder how much each ccha team would have to pay for ASU to lower their standards and come play with the hicks? Every body has a number. askin for a friend....... 17K probaly starting pt.
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JohnsonsJerseys
Michigan Tech Fan
Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
If the CCHA had wanted ASU, they would have been in by now. They blew it by not getting a rink done in a timely fashion or at the very least having something underway by now. The CCHA would likely rather have St Thomas from a geography standpoint, but they are still waiting on D-I approval. So much like ASU until that key detail changes, they won't get much serious attention from the CCHA. UAH has the inside track to get the 8th spot because they are already an active program with a suitable rink. They just need to stabilize their organization and line up a long term funding solution. I don't think the CCHA team would object to ONE long road trip per season. They did it for years in the old WCHA and CCHA. Doing 2 or 3 per season was where it got out of hand.
Sol Diablo
Active member
I think you are correct about UAH, St Thomas. Concerning ASU it may have depended on CCHA or ASU terms. But the FEL, FEED is done for the arena, existing infrastructure utilities being checked as sometimes not everything made it into blueprints or redlined properly in the past. Groundbreaking due in November.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
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Alaska Hockey
Registered User
Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
Michael honestly , tell us ......would it hurt if your momma whooped your dumb hick *** for being dumb enough to pose standing on funiture in a visiting teams hotel lobby and proudly post the pictures. ....................................... that's what I thought
Michael honestly , tell us ......would it hurt if your momma whooped your dumb hick *** for being dumb enough to pose standing on funiture in a visiting teams hotel lobby and proudly post the pictures. ....................................... that's what I thought
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TalonsUpPuckDown
Roll along you BG Warriors!
Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
Wow. That one really bothered you. I thought at the time you were posting in jest so if my replies offended, apologies.
That bear never stood a chance
Wow. That one really bothered you. I thought at the time you were posting in jest so if my replies offended, apologies.
That bear never stood a chance
Alaska Hockey
Registered User
Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
The bear said no, but the bully would not stop.
That bear never stood a chance
The bear said no, but the bully would not stop.
MavHockey14
New member
Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
CHN reporting that Don Lucia is the front runner for the CCHA Commissioner role...
https://twitter.com/chnews/status/1268944391814742016?s=21
CHN reporting that Don Lucia is the front runner for the CCHA Commissioner role...
https://twitter.com/chnews/status/1268944391814742016?s=21
MikeAnderson
Heavyweight Champion of My House
I don't think UAH stands a chance, nor should the CCHA consider them, until they hire someone to be in charge of athletics development and fundraising. That would be a very reasonable use of a significant portion of this found money.
manurespreader
Still upright
MikeAnderson
Heavyweight Champion of My House
I'm not yet convinced.
Re: New CCHA Back From The Ashes.
Finally reset my password and got around to posting....
I hope UAH figures out a way to make it work. When Tech cut football, the alumni resuscitated the program and it's been doing well as far as I can tell. They did have an amazing season immediately afterward to spark enthusiasm for the program...believe it was the first GLIAC championship and definitely NCAA playoff appearance in 2004. No more than 5 years later, the field was upgraded with artificial turf and lighting. Now they're finishing up phase two of a significant stadium upgrade which will replace the relatively small press box/concession building. First phase installed in-hill seating, paved/expanded part of the VIP area, along with a premium parking lot that is about 1/8 the walk of the previous front rows reserved for VIP ticket holders (had tickets for 3 seasons until I had to move for work).
AFAIK the updates are primarily donor funded, I think I saw something someone posted here or an article that more people donate and in larger quantities when there's a goal and a specific objective amount stated. The MTU football program had about half a dozen funds, the field upgrade phases among them. Over half the price of all VIP season ticket sales go toward the Football Leadership Fund, which IIRC goes toward coaching salary or player scholarships and qualifies for a $200 tax deduction. The package includes all you can eat (does sometime run out of items) buffet, priority parking (new lot an extra $50 a season, regular parking $5 a game) and what used to be unlimited beer than ran out around 1st quarter is now 4 beer vouchers/ticket with beer until the 4th quarter. Could only buy 4-packs of tickets and came out around $20/ticket, but the recently introduced two packs for a little more...something like $25/ticket. Might be a little easier for football since as a season ticket holder, you're only committing to 5 or 6 games and they're all Saturdays.
Finally reset my password and got around to posting....
I hope UAH figures out a way to make it work. When Tech cut football, the alumni resuscitated the program and it's been doing well as far as I can tell. They did have an amazing season immediately afterward to spark enthusiasm for the program...believe it was the first GLIAC championship and definitely NCAA playoff appearance in 2004. No more than 5 years later, the field was upgraded with artificial turf and lighting. Now they're finishing up phase two of a significant stadium upgrade which will replace the relatively small press box/concession building. First phase installed in-hill seating, paved/expanded part of the VIP area, along with a premium parking lot that is about 1/8 the walk of the previous front rows reserved for VIP ticket holders (had tickets for 3 seasons until I had to move for work).
AFAIK the updates are primarily donor funded, I think I saw something someone posted here or an article that more people donate and in larger quantities when there's a goal and a specific objective amount stated. The MTU football program had about half a dozen funds, the field upgrade phases among them. Over half the price of all VIP season ticket sales go toward the Football Leadership Fund, which IIRC goes toward coaching salary or player scholarships and qualifies for a $200 tax deduction. The package includes all you can eat (does sometime run out of items) buffet, priority parking (new lot an extra $50 a season, regular parking $5 a game) and what used to be unlimited beer than ran out around 1st quarter is now 4 beer vouchers/ticket with beer until the 4th quarter. Could only buy 4-packs of tickets and came out around $20/ticket, but the recently introduced two packs for a little more...something like $25/ticket. Might be a little easier for football since as a season ticket holder, you're only committing to 5 or 6 games and they're all Saturdays.