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Nescac 2009/2010
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Re: Nescac 2009/2010
NESCAC goaltender stats
http://www.nescac.com/sports/mice/chs?/0910/nsogoal/nescacm
NESCAC goaltender stats
http://www.nescac.com/sports/mice/chs?/0910/nsogoal/nescacm
neverplayed
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Re: Nescac 2009/2010
went to see Middlebury play Colby and the Bowdoin. A very good and important weekend for Middlebury, even one loss would have made it tough for them. Colby got behind early and then made a game of it, playing very well in the third. In my opinion they are well coached, they are similar to Hamilton, they need to be a little deeper to compete for the title, but they are coached well and really move the puck nicely. Like Hamilton they will be a tough first round opponent and can beat anyone on a given night if they get hot goaltending. A solid win over a good but not great team. On Saturday I watched the Bowdoin game, Bowdoins, best players in my opinion are better than Colby's best players, but again they have some weak guys for team that wants to be a true contender. Four or Five weak skaters, with the size of their roster if this is Meagher's best team they will not be a serious contender. Their system makes them play ugly, I saw very little tape to tape passing, backdoor opportunities etc. Yet their best players are really good, maybe Meagher with a few tweaks will have a more complete lineup come playoff time. My new rankings are:
1. Amherst
2. Middlebury
3. Williams
4. Bowdoin
5. Trinity
6.Colby
7. Hamilton
8.Tufts
went to see Middlebury play Colby and the Bowdoin. A very good and important weekend for Middlebury, even one loss would have made it tough for them. Colby got behind early and then made a game of it, playing very well in the third. In my opinion they are well coached, they are similar to Hamilton, they need to be a little deeper to compete for the title, but they are coached well and really move the puck nicely. Like Hamilton they will be a tough first round opponent and can beat anyone on a given night if they get hot goaltending. A solid win over a good but not great team. On Saturday I watched the Bowdoin game, Bowdoins, best players in my opinion are better than Colby's best players, but again they have some weak guys for team that wants to be a true contender. Four or Five weak skaters, with the size of their roster if this is Meagher's best team they will not be a serious contender. Their system makes them play ugly, I saw very little tape to tape passing, backdoor opportunities etc. Yet their best players are really good, maybe Meagher with a few tweaks will have a more complete lineup come playoff time. My new rankings are:
1. Amherst
2. Middlebury
3. Williams
4. Bowdoin
5. Trinity
6.Colby
7. Hamilton
8.Tufts
CornwallAce
Patron Saint of Defunct Teams
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
Very tight games at Williams.
I was late to the Bowdoin game, grrr. It was 1-0 and Bowdoin was really out hustling Williams. Bowdoin's PP looked very impressive, and if it was not for a 5-3 Williams PP given to them by a major goofup by Bowdoin (you can't come off of the bench the exact second the player comes out of the penalty box if it is on the other side of the rink) I am not sure if Williams would have been able to come back. D1 transfer Ben Contini made his presence felt in the second half of a game with a highlight assist. I don't think Bowdoin's coach was impressed with the goaltending he got either.
The Colby game had impressive goaltending. It was an even back and forth game on the whole. But there were times where each team had a distinct advantage, but both goalies made point blank stops on multiple occasions. The game was not decided until 2 1/2 minutes left on a desperation shot towards the net and an incredible tip by Williams.
Really, Williams has to be happy with 3 points, as one tiny mistake in both games could have meant 0 points. I think one thing Williams has that a lot of teams don't is the confidence to keep playing their game and believe that they will win.
I am thinking my next Williams game I will be attending is the Tuesday Feb 9 Middlebury game.
Very tight games at Williams.
I was late to the Bowdoin game, grrr. It was 1-0 and Bowdoin was really out hustling Williams. Bowdoin's PP looked very impressive, and if it was not for a 5-3 Williams PP given to them by a major goofup by Bowdoin (you can't come off of the bench the exact second the player comes out of the penalty box if it is on the other side of the rink) I am not sure if Williams would have been able to come back. D1 transfer Ben Contini made his presence felt in the second half of a game with a highlight assist. I don't think Bowdoin's coach was impressed with the goaltending he got either.
The Colby game had impressive goaltending. It was an even back and forth game on the whole. But there were times where each team had a distinct advantage, but both goalies made point blank stops on multiple occasions. The game was not decided until 2 1/2 minutes left on a desperation shot towards the net and an incredible tip by Williams.
Really, Williams has to be happy with 3 points, as one tiny mistake in both games could have meant 0 points. I think one thing Williams has that a lot of teams don't is the confidence to keep playing their game and believe that they will win.
I am thinking my next Williams game I will be attending is the Tuesday Feb 9 Middlebury game.
neverplayed
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Re: Nescac 2009/2010
Yes I know Amherst and Middlebury tied. But I think Amherst has been a little more consistent especially prior to this weekend. Middlebury has 3 tough games in the their next 4. I think the NESCAC is up for grabs, but it looks more likely that it may be Midd vs Amherst again.
Yes I know Amherst and Middlebury tied. But I think Amherst has been a little more consistent especially prior to this weekend. Middlebury has 3 tough games in the their next 4. I think the NESCAC is up for grabs, but it looks more likely that it may be Midd vs Amherst again.
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Nate LePage, Siena '13
neverplayed
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Re: Nescac 2009/2010
I think they have some good players, but word is that Coach may be a liability. To his credit he has attracted some talent, not sure they have the goaltending either, game against Middlebury is a good yardstick. Right now I see them similiar to Colby and Bowdoin, just Midd and Amherst, and maybe even Trinity (they could surprise).
I think they have some good players, but word is that Coach may be a liability. To his credit he has attracted some talent, not sure they have the goaltending either, game against Middlebury is a good yardstick. Right now I see them similiar to Colby and Bowdoin, just Midd and Amherst, and maybe even Trinity (they could surprise).
d3follower
Registered User
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
Umm - the stats suggest that the Williams' no. 1 goal tender, Ryan Purdy, is better than either of the Midd goalies.
Umm - the stats suggest that the Williams' no. 1 goal tender, Ryan Purdy, is better than either of the Midd goalies.
hockeyfan77
Registered User
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
Purdy is a very very good goalie...He had a couple of sub par outings don't feel like going back and looking, but he won't be a liability for Williams out there...
Purdy is a very very good goalie...He had a couple of sub par outings don't feel like going back and looking, but he won't be a liability for Williams out there...
neverplayed
Registered User
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
Middlebury's strength this year does not seem to be goaltending, my point about Purdy is that he is unlikely to steal a few games the way Vesprini, and the Amherst duo did the last couple of years. He is a good goalie, but I don't think he gives them a competeitive advantage in the big games.
Middlebury's strength this year does not seem to be goaltending, my point about Purdy is that he is unlikely to steal a few games the way Vesprini, and the Amherst duo did the last couple of years. He is a good goalie, but I don't think he gives them a competeitive advantage in the big games.
d3follower
Registered User
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
Nice to say Chaz Svoboda back in the Middlebury line-up tonight. . . .
Nice to say Chaz Svoboda back in the Middlebury line-up tonight. . . .
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
I wonder if he will stay in the lineup? He did get an assist tonight. Instead of #22 he wore #6 tonight. #22 was available since Griffin is out for the season with concussions.
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
Jeez...why didn't Chaz Svoboda's good friend doncheery give us a head's up that he was back on the midd roster............
TNW, was great to see Chaz work his way back on the roster via the "B-team"..happens every so often (Matt Dunn, Tim Graham, Kevin Cooper come to mind). He played a rather complete game tonight...well-positioned, solid "D" and was effective in the attacking zone...well done, Chaz!
Jeez...why didn't Chaz Svoboda's good friend doncheery give us a head's up that he was back on the midd roster............
TNW, was great to see Chaz work his way back on the roster via the "B-team"..happens every so often (Matt Dunn, Tim Graham, Kevin Cooper come to mind). He played a rather complete game tonight...well-positioned, solid "D" and was effective in the attacking zone...well done, Chaz!
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
Work his way back onto the roster???
When did he work himself off it...over the summer???
Work his way back onto the roster???
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Defenseman Scoring: 08-09 NESCAC GP PPG G- A- P
1 Jeff Landers Amherst SR D 28 1.50 9-33-42
2 Chaz Svoboda Middlebury SO D 23 0.96 7-15-22
3 Kyle Shearer-Hardy Bowdoin SO D 22 0.95 11-10-21When did he work himself off it...over the summer???
hockeyfan77
Registered User
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
HMMM 43 saves in a 2-1 win against Norwich...Might want to rethink that one...
HMMM 43 saves in a 2-1 win against Norwich...Might want to rethink that one...
neverplayed
Registered User
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
great win for Williams no doubt, Tuesday will be interesting. I'm sorry there are a couple of teams in the conference who have coaches that won't win no matter who they have, they play the wrong players, panic during crunch time, point fingers when things go wrong and can't inspire young men. I'm going with Middlebury.
great win for Williams no doubt, Tuesday will be interesting. I'm sorry there are a couple of teams in the conference who have coaches that won't win no matter who they have, they play the wrong players, panic during crunch time, point fingers when things go wrong and can't inspire young men. I'm going with Middlebury.
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
From following your posts over the past couple of seasons, I'm assuming that the two coaches you're referring to as uninspiring are Bill Kangas (Williams) and Terry Meagher (Bowdoin). I don't know Kangas, and don't follow Williams hockey closely enough to have an opinion about him. You may well be right about the situation at Williams. Nevertheless, I know Meagher personally and have followed the Bowdoin program for four decades now, as a student and alumnus, and as such I can't agree with your contempt for a man whom I believe has been one of the premier coaches in Division III for almost three decades. His winning percentage (.665) compares well with Middlebury's Bill Beaney (.709), who has arguably set the standard for success as a Division III coach.
Before Middlebury had its two amazing runs of national titles, there was Bowdoin, finishing the 1985-86 season ranked as the number one team in the country but unable to play in the national tournament due to arcane NESCAC rules. There was also Bowdoin losing the ECAC championship games in 1988 and 1989 to Merrimack teams ready to move to Division I (and, in fact, the 1989 Merrimack team was invited to and played in two rounds of the Division I NCAA tournament). Despite the eventual loss, the Polar Bears led for a good part, if not most, of the 1989 championship team. It's hard to fault Meagher for not beating a team that was a "de facto" Division I team. It was sad, moreover, that those two outstanding Bowdoin teams were not allowed to compete in the national tournament against other true Division III teams. In 1993 Bowdoin became the first team to win an ECAC Division III title as the eighth seed. Again, no national tournament participation was possible. I lament that there haven't been any championships for the past seventeen years, but Bowdoin has been a contender in the late 1990s and through most of the past decade though the talent level hasn't been as consistently high as at Middlebury and Norwich. More recently, I believe that it'd be rather simplistic to atribute Bowdoin's loss to Middlebury in the 2007 NESCAC championship game, when Bowdoin had arguably the most talented squad in the league, to poor coaching. Despite losing to Bowdoin 6-2 in the regular season, that Middlebury team had enough talent and experience to take a game from anyone in the league, and possibly in the country. After squeaking by Colby in the NESCAC semifinals, the Panthers played a near-perfect game against the Polar Bears in the finals. Middlebury went on to represent NESCAC magnificently in the Division III national tournament, and was denied a ninth NCAA championship in a heartbreaking overtime loss to Oswego.
I will be happy to talk to you privately about the Bowdoin program and Terry Meagher by email or phone at any time.
As to the Williams-Middlebury game, it should be a beauty. I'm hoping for a tie...
From following your posts over the past couple of seasons, I'm assuming that the two coaches you're referring to as uninspiring are Bill Kangas (Williams) and Terry Meagher (Bowdoin). I don't know Kangas, and don't follow Williams hockey closely enough to have an opinion about him. You may well be right about the situation at Williams. Nevertheless, I know Meagher personally and have followed the Bowdoin program for four decades now, as a student and alumnus, and as such I can't agree with your contempt for a man whom I believe has been one of the premier coaches in Division III for almost three decades. His winning percentage (.665) compares well with Middlebury's Bill Beaney (.709), who has arguably set the standard for success as a Division III coach.
Before Middlebury had its two amazing runs of national titles, there was Bowdoin, finishing the 1985-86 season ranked as the number one team in the country but unable to play in the national tournament due to arcane NESCAC rules. There was also Bowdoin losing the ECAC championship games in 1988 and 1989 to Merrimack teams ready to move to Division I (and, in fact, the 1989 Merrimack team was invited to and played in two rounds of the Division I NCAA tournament). Despite the eventual loss, the Polar Bears led for a good part, if not most, of the 1989 championship team. It's hard to fault Meagher for not beating a team that was a "de facto" Division I team. It was sad, moreover, that those two outstanding Bowdoin teams were not allowed to compete in the national tournament against other true Division III teams. In 1993 Bowdoin became the first team to win an ECAC Division III title as the eighth seed. Again, no national tournament participation was possible. I lament that there haven't been any championships for the past seventeen years, but Bowdoin has been a contender in the late 1990s and through most of the past decade though the talent level hasn't been as consistently high as at Middlebury and Norwich. More recently, I believe that it'd be rather simplistic to atribute Bowdoin's loss to Middlebury in the 2007 NESCAC championship game, when Bowdoin had arguably the most talented squad in the league, to poor coaching. Despite losing to Bowdoin 6-2 in the regular season, that Middlebury team had enough talent and experience to take a game from anyone in the league, and possibly in the country. After squeaking by Colby in the NESCAC semifinals, the Panthers played a near-perfect game against the Polar Bears in the finals. Middlebury went on to represent NESCAC magnificently in the Division III national tournament, and was denied a ninth NCAA championship in a heartbreaking overtime loss to Oswego.
I will be happy to talk to you privately about the Bowdoin program and Terry Meagher by email or phone at any time.
As to the Williams-Middlebury game, it should be a beauty. I'm hoping for a tie...
d3follower
Registered User
Re: Nescac 2009/2010
Very well stated, Euler - I'm getting a little tired of neverplayed's carping about Terry Meagher.
Very well stated, Euler - I'm getting a little tired of neverplayed's carping about Terry Meagher.
NESCACalacka
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Re: Nescac 2009/2010
I was looking over the history of NESCAC standings/playoffs. I found that in the 2003-2004 season, Wesleyan, who finished 7th in the regular season, did not make the NESCAC playoffs; instead, Tufts and Amherst, who finished 8th and 9th respectively made the playoffs. Does anyone know/remember the reason for this? Thanks!
I was looking over the history of NESCAC standings/playoffs. I found that in the 2003-2004 season, Wesleyan, who finished 7th in the regular season, did not make the NESCAC playoffs; instead, Tufts and Amherst, who finished 8th and 9th respectively made the playoffs. Does anyone know/remember the reason for this? Thanks!