Nescac '12-'13

[doncheery]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

Please forgive the spelling error. That of course negates the fact the Coach what's his name is a manipulative, prevaricating , opportunistic wanker that has jerked more than a few good hockey players and students in good standing around. "Never ceases to amaze me" ?? Then you my friend are easily amazed which does not speak well of your capacities.

 

[shooter27]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

I might be wrong, but my guess is that Amherst could build a palace for a hockey rink and they would still draw about 200 per game after the novelty of seeing the new rink wore off. There are very few hockey fans down there and the preponderance of fans will be at the basketball game leaving hockey to play in anonymity. That's the true difference between Amherst and either Bowdoin and Middlebury.

Absolutely true. The biggest issue with a new rink being built at Amherst is the administration, they simply don't want to have the money directed to athletics. Back in the early 2000's a donor wanted to build Amherst a rink on par w/ Midd and Bowdoin. I forget the amount of the donation they were talking about, but it was north of $15M, and the administration turned down the donation because it was directed to an arena and not being made to the school's general fund. After that fiasco the same donor attempted to at least spruce up Orr Rink by putting in stadium seating. The even constructed temporary stadium seating behind the net by the locker rooms for a few weeks as a test. Again, the administration quashed the directed donation. In fact, the President at the time was quoted as saying Amherst, "...has a tradition of bleachers," as a reason for rejecting the stadium seating idea. Certainly wouldn't hear something like that coming from the President of Midd or Bowdoin.

How does the new AD help? They still have to get through admissions. Amherst used to rely more heavily on junior players than did Midd. This year it looks as if most of the Amherst players are Prep products which would might indicate a toughening of standards. Bowdoin depended on juniors more than Midd, too.

The new AD helps because the previous AD had a major hard on for the hockey program. He flat out hated the program and Arena. That's another part of the reason why they're getting surplus B and C TIPS slots. With the old AD the hockey program never got those surplus spots.

 

[NUProf]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

Absolutely true. The biggest issue with a new rink being built at Amherst is the administration, they simply don't want to have the money directed to athletics. Back in the early 2000's a donor wanted to build Amherst a rink on par w/ Midd and Bowdoin. I forget the amount of the donation they were talking about, but it was north of $15M, and the administration turned down the donation because it was directed to an arena and not being made to the school's general fund. After that fiasco the same donor attempted to at least spruce up Orr Rink by putting in stadium seating. The even constructed temporary stadium seating behind the net by the locker rooms for a few weeks as a test. Again, the administration quashed the directed donation. In fact, the President at the time was quoted as saying Amherst, "...has a tradition of bleachers," as a reason for rejecting the stadium seating idea. Certainly wouldn't hear something like that coming from the President of Midd or Bowdoin.

Many schools won't accept donations that are directed for particular purposes. In some case schools have gotten burned by someone providing funds for a new facility and then they discover that once the facility is built, they can't afford the upkeep. A school that I am familiar with (not Norwich) got burned when somebody built them a fieldhouse and they discovered that they were burdened with high utility costs for heating and cooling the building - something they had not planned on. Also, when directed funds are given, some schools feel that they can be donations that move the school in a direction different from the long term plans for the campus.

As for "a tradtion of bleacher seats," that does sound quite ridiculous...

 

[bakdraft21]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

Many schools won't accept donations that are directed for particular purposes. In some case schools have gotten burned by someone providing funds for a new facility and then they discover that once the facility is built, they can't afford the upkeep. A school that I am familiar with (not Norwich) got burned when somebody built them a fieldhouse and they discovered that they were burdened with high utility costs for heating and cooling the building - something they had not planned on. Also, when directed funds are given, some schools feel that they can be donations that move the school in a direction different from the long term plans for the campus.

As for "a tradtion of bleacher seats," that does sound quite ridiculous...

my 5yo knows there are heating and cooling costs for our house, how could someone NOT know/plan for that...ugh

 

[97osu]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

They need to build it with a couple lounges in it, and call it a "Campus Center". I think it has worked someplace else?

 

[NUProf]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

my 5yo knows there are heating and cooling costs for our house, how could someone NOT know/plan for that...ugh

You would be surprised. University "development" officers are not trained to take that into consideration. This was/is a school in midwest area where I taught many years ago. The school in question now requires that those kinds of gifts include sufficient endowment to pay operating costs of the facility.

 

[CornwallAce]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

Colby only had 4 shots vs Amherst, and 0 in the 3rd period. But they did hit a solid post in that period.

 

[OhioMule]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

Colby only had 4 shots vs Amherst, and 0 in the 3rd period. But they did hit a solid post in that period.

This has got to be some kind of a record. I had to double check the stats, after reading this in the recap...

On the plus-side, Sophomore Sam Parker was strong in goal for the Mules - has started the last four games and played extremely well in three of them. They should just stick with him the rest of the way and get him plenty of game experience to prep him for next year.

 

[Jim]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

This has got to be some kind of a record. I had to double check the stats, after reading this in the recap...

On the plus-side, Sophomore Sam Parker was strong in goal for the Mules - has started the last four games and played extremely well in three of them. They should just stick with him the rest of the way and get him plenty of game experience to prep him for next year.

I've been following Colby for a while now and I suspect that they will turn things around now that they have a coach. Three head coaches in 3 years is just not a good situation for anyone and makes things difficult all around. I suspect once McDonald gets things going they will rebound and become a solid program again. I think there is some dissatisfaction with what has been going on in the athletic department among the alumni. 10 years ago they had good football, good hockey, solid basketball and success in other sports as well. Lately they have struggled everywhere. If McMicheal and McDonald don't deliver in football and hockey fairly quickly, expect the alumni to start pushing for change. Happened at Wesleyan, so it can happen anywhere.

 

[rufus22]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

The good news is that Middlebury can score goals this year, which had been a problem the last couple of years. Their power play is much improved, but 3 games this year already, they have coughed up late leads. That needs to be addressed. Another positive is the teams ability to play from behind, but come from behind hockey is generally losing hockey over the long term. With their scoring punch, they need to get out in front first and limit the gift wrapped goals they are giving up off rebounds and odd man rushes let teams back into games.

Does anyone know what's going on with the goalie situation at Middlebury? I thought the team would be set this year with BonDurant and Fullam. But then recently Beaney began starting the freshman Moorfield-Yee, and then more recently turning back to BonDurant occasionally, and now it seems totally unsettled. Are there injuries involved here?

 

[nasa69]

I've been following Colby for a while now and I suspect that they will turn things around now that they have a coach. Three head coaches in 3 years is just not a good situation for anyone and makes things difficult all around. I suspect once McDonald gets things going they will rebound and become a solid program again. I think there is some dissatisfaction with what has been going on in the athletic department among the alumni. 10 years ago they had good football, good hockey, solid basketball and success in other sports as well. Lately they have struggled everywhere. If McMicheal and McDonald don't deliver in football and hockey fairly quickly, expect the alumni to start pushing for change. Happened at Wesleyan, so it can happen anywhere.

No it could not happen at Hamilton. Dead set against promoting sports development.

 

[polarbear2]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

bump

 

[jimmy d]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

YES! the weekend is here and Middlebury finally returns to conference play.... that long OOC stretch was pretty much a disaster....with the loss to Norwich being the only bright spot
Can't wait to see how the boys stack up against the Polar Bears

 

[neumyer]

YES! the weekend is here and Middlebury finally returns to conference play.... that long OOC stretch was pretty much a disaster....with the loss to Norwich being the only bright spot
Can't wait to see how the boys stack up against the Polar Bears

Let's see how they stack up against Colby first. That might be a good first step.

 

[jimmy d]

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Let's see how they stack up against Colby first. That might be a good first step.

Well... we got through it, anyway. Congratulations to Liam Moorfield-Yee on his first (of many) collegiate wins!

 

[neumyer]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

Well... we got through it, anyway. Congratulations to Liam Moorfield-Yee on his first (of many) collegiate wins!

It wasn't easy! Regarding the third Colby goal. I don't believe it went in. It looked to that it hit off the post to the goalie's left. I would love to see it in slow mo.

 

[jimmy d]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

It wasn't easy! Regarding the third Colby goal. I don't believe it went in. It looked to that it hit off the post to the goalie's left. I would love to see it in slow mo.

You are correct, it was off the post and did NOT go in. That's why the goal judge didn't turn on the light! Thankfully it didn't matter in the end.

 

[jimmy d]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

I just checked the NESCAC scoreboard site, and it says that Southern Maine defeated Bowdoin by a score of 4-2 in Men's hockey. Trouble is that the game was listed to be played at 7:00 pm TONIGHT on both the NESCAC and the USCHO schedules.
Anybody know what's up with that?

 

[polarbearfan]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

I just checked the NESCAC scoreboard site, and it says that Southern Maine defeated Bowdoin by a score of 4-2 in Men's hockey. Trouble is that the game was listed to be played at 7:00 pm TONIGHT on both the NESCAC and the USCHO schedules.
Anybody know what's up with that?

Its also listed as a 4-2 loss on the Bowdoin website but the date listed is still 1/22. USM's website still shows a 7:00PM puck drop tonight but also shows a 4-2 final.The video link on Bowdoin's site only last's 1 second. I am just as confused as you are and sure hope that the game is tonight!

EDIT: The game is still at 7 tonight, don't know why it was reported on both sites as a 4-2 USM win but it has since been fixed on Bowdoin's website.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

Re: Nescac '12-'13

Its also listed as a 4-2 loss on the Bowdoin website but the date listed is still 1/22. USM's website still shows a 7:00PM puck drop tonight but also shows a 4-2 final.The video link on Bowdoin's site only last's 1 second. I am just as confused as you are and sure hope that the game is tonight!

Check out the USM Box Score (edit they took it down) but they had THIS listed for the box score. Gives a new meaning to the phrase "Did you bring the girls team tonight?".

Carry on, looks like the game is still at 7:00pm