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nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He’s looking the picture of health <a href="https://t.co/nKKKmTk1nA">pic.twitter.com/nKKKmTk1nA</a></p>— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) <a href="https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1233838845629730816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are only TWO coronavirus cases in Mexico.<br><br>There are 16 in Canada. <br><br>For Trump, every problem has the same solution <a href="https://t.co/DV6GnePbNg">https://t.co/DV6GnePbNg</a></p>— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1233843526762450947?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are only TWO coronavirus cases in Mexico.<br><br>There are 16 in Canada. <br><br>For Trump, every problem has the same solution <a href="https://t.co/DV6GnePbNg">https://t.co/DV6GnePbNg</a></p>— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1233843526762450947?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
MinnesotaNorthStar
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rufus
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He has the sads over the stock market.
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Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
https://www.newsweek.com/dem-senato...ower-says-hhs-put-general-public-risk-1489801
This is how our country is being run.
https://www.newsweek.com/dem-senato...ower-says-hhs-put-general-public-risk-1489801
This is how our country is being run.
leswp1
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Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
-The risk of morbidity increases with age and comorbidity. So the younger healthy may be asymptomatic but the older you are or if you have anything else going on the higher the risk. I would imagine the amount of virus you are exposed to would also make a difference. If you bathe in it (lots of people around you exposing you or someone shedding virus like mad) then your immune system is less likely to fight off the viral load. The more exposure you have at once the worse you fair.
-mortality was high in Wuhan not because of the virus but because the system was overwhelmed. The more cases in a locale the higher the risk for mortality in all of them (see above) and the less resources to treat.
-Our system is running at 95-97% capacity in many places without this hitting.*
-they had a few excoriating things to say about how the CDC response team and other CDC programs that would have dealt with this being gutted.** Pointing out that the systems that had been in place had been dismantled.
-there are questions on how to deal with testing- they currently have only 3 states that successfully test. There are multiple places that can manufacture a test but they can't seem to get their head out of their posteriors about how to deal with letting people manufacture tests. WHen I was listening to something this morning they had people at the ready but STILL not able to get the ok.
-there is no way to contain, it is here. We have cases that are not traceable and people wandering around, asymptomatic, that are shedding virus. We should be looking at preparation
-there will be a shortage of medications and other supplies d/t where they are manufactured and shipped from.
-They specifically referenced the misinformation coming out of the WH as being problematic
*The red states are already sucking the joint out at handling anything medical, have the highest rate of chronic disease, less facilities and less funding for anything medical
**even if you throw $ at this they would need to reconstitute the teams and this is not easy
It was pretty scary to realize how rudderless we are nationally- the agencies that know what they are doing are being hamstrung by politics and lack of funding. The WH messaging is HOAX, it is all the Dems fear-mongering, it isn't that bad, don't panic and a bunch of false statements the CDC and the WHO immediately refute with corrections statements.
THe biggest cause of fear is the obvious mixed messages and incorrect info coming out of leaders. They should shut up and let the big boys and girls do their job right. And we should get a qualified Surgeon General who doesn't spend his time sarcastically tweeting but offers actual guidance. If you google Surgeon General CoVId 19 you get no hits on the page for his statement/guidance. W t eff??
I was listening/watching the hearing on the Hill on COVID19 when this story was breaking. The guy who was testifying said he was personally involved and this story was absolutely false. Haven't had a chance to see anything more of it. Didn't read back the whole way so not sure if anyone else saw it or posted about the hearing. What I took out of it-
-The risk of morbidity increases with age and comorbidity. So the younger healthy may be asymptomatic but the older you are or if you have anything else going on the higher the risk. I would imagine the amount of virus you are exposed to would also make a difference. If you bathe in it (lots of people around you exposing you or someone shedding virus like mad) then your immune system is less likely to fight off the viral load. The more exposure you have at once the worse you fair.
-mortality was high in Wuhan not because of the virus but because the system was overwhelmed. The more cases in a locale the higher the risk for mortality in all of them (see above) and the less resources to treat.
-Our system is running at 95-97% capacity in many places without this hitting.*
-they had a few excoriating things to say about how the CDC response team and other CDC programs that would have dealt with this being gutted.** Pointing out that the systems that had been in place had been dismantled.
-there are questions on how to deal with testing- they currently have only 3 states that successfully test. There are multiple places that can manufacture a test but they can't seem to get their head out of their posteriors about how to deal with letting people manufacture tests. WHen I was listening to something this morning they had people at the ready but STILL not able to get the ok.
-there is no way to contain, it is here. We have cases that are not traceable and people wandering around, asymptomatic, that are shedding virus. We should be looking at preparation
-there will be a shortage of medications and other supplies d/t where they are manufactured and shipped from.
-They specifically referenced the misinformation coming out of the WH as being problematic
*The red states are already sucking the joint out at handling anything medical, have the highest rate of chronic disease, less facilities and less funding for anything medical
**even if you throw $ at this they would need to reconstitute the teams and this is not easy
It was pretty scary to realize how rudderless we are nationally- the agencies that know what they are doing are being hamstrung by politics and lack of funding. The WH messaging is HOAX, it is all the Dems fear-mongering, it isn't that bad, don't panic and a bunch of false statements the CDC and the WHO immediately refute with corrections statements.
THe biggest cause of fear is the obvious mixed messages and incorrect info coming out of leaders. They should shut up and let the big boys and girls do their job right. And we should get a qualified Surgeon General who doesn't spend his time sarcastically tweeting but offers actual guidance. If you google Surgeon General CoVId 19 you get no hits on the page for his statement/guidance. W t eff??
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leswp1
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Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
They asked about this in the Hearing. The CDC guy said there is no way to assume this. There are people who are reverting after testing negative and there were other things that were not tracking like Flu.
They asked about this in the Hearing. The CDC guy said there is no way to assume this. There are people who are reverting after testing negative and there were other things that were not tracking like Flu.
dxmnkd316
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Russell Jaslow
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Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
Obviously, you are correct, there is no way to assume anything. And the whole reverting thing makes you take pause.
I’m just saying, it’s a bit too early to be seriously thinking about this type of cancellation even though it will require an early cancellation for an event of this magnitude. I’d like to see what happens when the weather does start getting warm.
Obviously, you are correct, there is no way to assume anything. And the whole reverting thing makes you take pause.
I’m just saying, it’s a bit too early to be seriously thinking about this type of cancellation even though it will require an early cancellation for an event of this magnitude. I’d like to see what happens when the weather does start getting warm.
Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
So how in the world did this become so political???
Someone needs to explain to me how the D's are being so fear mongering. Facts are facts- people are getting sick, some are dying. Now two people have gotten it w/o obvious traces back to the source. Those are facts. There's a real question about lethality- sure- as some people are surely not going to hospitals, but equally that means there are people who are dying and not getting the connection.
We all HOPE that this will die out with heat- but there's no real facts that support that it will do that. Some hints that other viruses have died out, yes. But this one is so new, that's just hope based on other viruses. We have no real data since it's not warmed up, yet. If it were factual, then the ship would have easily been able to handle the air to kill it all off before circulating. That I'm aware of, that didn't happen.
And to dismiss people's fears of getting sick is silly. Note it, for sure. I'm personally not scared, but that does not mean others are not.
Seems to me, once you declare "hoax" then no matter how the other side reacts, it's automatically fear mongering. Once again, the whole "both siderers" out there are not seeing the big picture, unless you can explain in words that even dumpy can understand how D's are making this political and are fear mongering.
I personally am seeing an opportunity to actually keep this virus out of the public domain in the US slip away. I'm also seeing this being used to spread an agenda for the sake of doing that- like how large country Mexico with few people sick is being cut off but small country Canada with lots of people sick is not.
What sucks is that even if red (and by red, I mean commie russian party red) states and people get sick and die off, they will spread it to the rest of us who are trying to limit the damage.
On the other hand, if we all work together with real leadership, we can limit the real impact.
So how in the world did this become so political???
Someone needs to explain to me how the D's are being so fear mongering. Facts are facts- people are getting sick, some are dying. Now two people have gotten it w/o obvious traces back to the source. Those are facts. There's a real question about lethality- sure- as some people are surely not going to hospitals, but equally that means there are people who are dying and not getting the connection.
We all HOPE that this will die out with heat- but there's no real facts that support that it will do that. Some hints that other viruses have died out, yes. But this one is so new, that's just hope based on other viruses. We have no real data since it's not warmed up, yet. If it were factual, then the ship would have easily been able to handle the air to kill it all off before circulating. That I'm aware of, that didn't happen.
And to dismiss people's fears of getting sick is silly. Note it, for sure. I'm personally not scared, but that does not mean others are not.
Seems to me, once you declare "hoax" then no matter how the other side reacts, it's automatically fear mongering. Once again, the whole "both siderers" out there are not seeing the big picture, unless you can explain in words that even dumpy can understand how D's are making this political and are fear mongering.
I personally am seeing an opportunity to actually keep this virus out of the public domain in the US slip away. I'm also seeing this being used to spread an agenda for the sake of doing that- like how large country Mexico with few people sick is being cut off but small country Canada with lots of people sick is not.
What sucks is that even if red (and by red, I mean commie russian party red) states and people get sick and die off, they will spread it to the rest of us who are trying to limit the damage.
On the other hand, if we all work together with real leadership, we can limit the real impact.
I remember hearing that the summer heat and humidity has no negative effect on the flu; but that airing out the house, getting outside, and most of all dispersing from the schools and from other people is what does it. No? (I’m not saying this changes your point, but it seems like a virus would thrive in warm humid conditions)
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As I see it right now, we don't know enough to make a scientific statement about this virus WRT heat and humidity- one way or the other.
Seems like mostly hope and prayers.
Personally, I VERY much hope it dies off this summer, as we have travel plans that include infected areas.
As I see it right now, we don't know enough to make a scientific statement about this virus WRT heat and humidity- one way or the other.
Seems like mostly hope and prayers.
Personally, I VERY much hope it dies off this summer, as we have travel plans that include infected areas.
I understand that. I’m just wondering if someone can clear up my understanding regarding normal influenza.
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Ah- ok. My "observations" (which means nothing) are that it may reduce the spreading of it, but it does not kill it. Otherwise, it would not be a big deal in US areas like So Fl or Puerto Rico- which it is.
Actually, here in the US, one of the worst things about the flu is the workaholic attitude that so many have. Or the endless pressure to work. There's an amazing current commercial that shows this in spades- a flu treatment commercial where the sick person is a TEACHER and is going to school to work. I interact with way fewer people than teachers do, but would never go to work if I have real flu symptoms.
Ah- ok. My "observations" (which means nothing) are that it may reduce the spreading of it, but it does not kill it. Otherwise, it would not be a big deal in US areas like So Fl or Puerto Rico- which it is.
Actually, here in the US, one of the worst things about the flu is the workaholic attitude that so many have. Or the endless pressure to work. There's an amazing current commercial that shows this in spades- a flu treatment commercial where the sick person is a TEACHER and is going to school to work. I interact with way fewer people than teachers do, but would never go to work if I have real flu symptoms.
There have been scientific studies that point to high humidity and temperature reducing aerosol transmission
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.0030151#abstract0
Kepler
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Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
I'm sure Bostonians ' immunity systems have been hardened by their chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea, and pubic lice.
The men, too.
I'm sure Bostonians ' immunity systems have been hardened by their chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea, and pubic lice.
The men, too.
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