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NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
Gravel and Daly had 3 of the 4 goals, offense needs to do something. Also that 2 on 1 in overtime that Tedesco shot it 10 feet over the net and they go down and win it. Solid shot brah! Gravel was the only one that did something last night and oh yeah, Faragher sucks.
Gravel and Daly had 3 of the 4 goals, offense needs to do something. Also that 2 on 1 in overtime that Tedesco shot it 10 feet over the net and they go down and win it. Solid shot brah! Gravel was the only one that did something last night and oh yeah, Faragher sucks.
Tipsy McStagger
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
Meanwhile, CC went 0-9-1 but at least challenged themselves and played at Clarkson and Wisconsin, played UNH and Providence and one game each against Brown and Air Force. The worst team they played was 39th in RPI.
So that is why the NCHC teams have worse PWR than the B1G teams. The B1G schedules cupcakes at home and the NCHC teams at least make an effort to play road games and schedule decent teams in NC play.
Wisconsin and Ohio State are two teams whose PWR are buoyed by playing only home games against mostly dogcrap competition. OSU's non-con resume: swept by Miami in a home and home, split with BGSU in a home and home, swept Robert Morris in a home and home, split with Duluth at home, and swept Niagara, Canisius and Mercyhurst at home. Wow, how impressive. Played 11 of 14 games at home and when they played anybody of note the best they could get was a split. 6 wins against the teams in the bottom 20% of the RPI. Don't try to tell me OSU is the 22nd best team in the country. They aren't. Wisconsin's NC schedule is even more embarassing.
Meanwhile, CC went 0-9-1 but at least challenged themselves and played at Clarkson and Wisconsin, played UNH and Providence and one game each against Brown and Air Force. The worst team they played was 39th in RPI.
So that is why the NCHC teams have worse PWR than the B1G teams. The B1G schedules cupcakes at home and the NCHC teams at least make an effort to play road games and schedule decent teams in NC play.
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
I think it is possible that Miami could beat UND 6-2 again.
Have you actually watched Miami play or are you just stat watching and deciding they aren't that good?
Miami is a case where a team is better than their record and if they beat us in this series, it would not surprise me if they won the whole tourney.
I think it is possible that Miami could beat UND 6-2 again.
Have you actually watched Miami play or are you just stat watching and deciding they aren't that good?
Miami is a case where a team is better than their record and if they beat us in this series, it would not surprise me if they won the whole tourney.
FredsDeadFriend
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
Well, when a Big Ten team like OSU, MSU and PSU looks at the 5 opponents in its conf and knows that combined they have between 20-23 Natl Titles and that over 2/3rds of their conf games are going to be against UMn, UW & Michigan, all 3 ranked in the Top 15 going into this weekend, it is hard to blame them IF they choose to keep the teams in the ooc schedule on the lighter side of things.
In comparison, the 3rd place team in the 8 team NCHC has an overall .500 record and so 75% of the conference isn't going to be playing in the post season unless they win the Conf Tourney Title.
So over 2/3rds of the bottom 6 NCHC team's opponents are NOT in the top 15. They NEED to schedule tougher opponents in the ooc.
And having a good SOS HELPS your PWR rating, it doesn't hurt it. Playing the weak competition you say UW and OSU played hurt their PWR, it didn't help it. Or at least that is usually the case.
Well, when a Big Ten team like OSU, MSU and PSU looks at the 5 opponents in its conf and knows that combined they have between 20-23 Natl Titles and that over 2/3rds of their conf games are going to be against UMn, UW & Michigan, all 3 ranked in the Top 15 going into this weekend, it is hard to blame them IF they choose to keep the teams in the ooc schedule on the lighter side of things.
In comparison, the 3rd place team in the 8 team NCHC has an overall .500 record and so 75% of the conference isn't going to be playing in the post season unless they win the Conf Tourney Title.
So over 2/3rds of the bottom 6 NCHC team's opponents are NOT in the top 15. They NEED to schedule tougher opponents in the ooc.
And having a good SOS HELPS your PWR rating, it doesn't hurt it. Playing the weak competition you say UW and OSU played hurt their PWR, it didn't help it. Or at least that is usually the case.
FredsDeadFriend
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
Just so you know Tipsy, you are wrong if you think I am a Gopher fan obsessed with trolling a SCSU thread. My being here has very little to do with SCSU. I could care less about SCSU. I grew up close to St Cloud, many of my friends went there for college, I play Poker there or near there enough to claim to have been in St Cloud at least once a year for 35 of the 46 years I've been on this planet, and just never have grown to give one rats ash about SCSU, except when not playing the Gophers I always cheer for other Minnesota based sports teams to beat non-Mn based sports teams. So in a sense, I am sort of a SCSU fan, unlike most Gopher fans.
BUT...
I know someone who is an MU alum, and because of him I follow MU Hockey, and you just happened to be MU's opponent this weekend, and being SCSU is a former WCHA team, and shared the Conf Title with my Gophers last year, and apparently are this years NCHC Regular Season Conf Champs? Right? And are a Mn based team playing a non-Mn based team, I simply expected you guys to represent the old WCHA and the state of Mn better, and pummel the Redhawks, a team that has lost 12 of its last 15 games its played outside of games vs SCSU.
But go ahead and consider me a retard if that makes you feel better about yourself, lol.
Just so you know Tipsy, you are wrong if you think I am a Gopher fan obsessed with trolling a SCSU thread. My being here has very little to do with SCSU. I could care less about SCSU. I grew up close to St Cloud, many of my friends went there for college, I play Poker there or near there enough to claim to have been in St Cloud at least once a year for 35 of the 46 years I've been on this planet, and just never have grown to give one rats ash about SCSU, except when not playing the Gophers I always cheer for other Minnesota based sports teams to beat non-Mn based sports teams. So in a sense, I am sort of a SCSU fan, unlike most Gopher fans.
BUT...
I know someone who is an MU alum, and because of him I follow MU Hockey, and you just happened to be MU's opponent this weekend, and being SCSU is a former WCHA team, and shared the Conf Title with my Gophers last year, and apparently are this years NCHC Regular Season Conf Champs? Right? And are a Mn based team playing a non-Mn based team, I simply expected you guys to represent the old WCHA and the state of Mn better, and pummel the Redhawks, a team that has lost 12 of its last 15 games its played outside of games vs SCSU.
But go ahead and consider me a retard if that makes you feel better about yourself, lol.
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Did not read.
FTLT - the only one here dismissing other programs is Tipsy. PWR and SOS don't exist in a vacuum but he can't help himself.
Once again I'm not counting UND nor SCSU out of anything in the NCAAs.
Tipsy McStagger
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
No, do you need help forming a rebuttal, or something else resembling a worthwhile post?
Tipsy McStagger
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
Your argument makes zero sense. NCHC teams played tougher NC schedules and are lower in the PWR than B1G teams, so the solution is for the NCHC to schedule tougher NC teams? They already are and it didn't do anything for them.
It is all based on winning percentages. So winning is more important than who you are playing. SOS only helps when comparing teams with equal winning percentages. Ask Penn State, who has the 3rd ranked SOS, how much that is helping them when they are 6th worst in the country in RPI.
Your argument makes zero sense. NCHC teams played tougher NC schedules and are lower in the PWR than B1G teams, so the solution is for the NCHC to schedule tougher NC teams? They already are and it didn't do anything for them.
Man, for someone who thinks the RPI/PWR is garbage, you sure like to lean on it to back up your arguments.
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Tipsy McStagger
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
You can't make it up.
FredsDeadFriend
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You don't have a clue, do you? Of course you have to win some of the games, ESPECIALLY vs the weaker opponents. But its a proven fact that losing to the #1 team in the ratings is better for your own personal ratings, than beating the worst rated team is.
What REALLY kills a team's rating, is losing to a low rated team, that REALLY hurts.
What REALLY helps, is beating a highly rated team.
The RPI is a formula, you should maybe go google it or look it up, Wikipedia probably has a nice write up about it that should help you understand how it works.
And if you say, "oh, but the PWR is not the RPI", I will respond and say, compare the two, see how almost exactly they match up, from top to bottom. And then tell me that the PWR isn't basically the same thing as the RPI. And go figure, that's probably because the PWR uses the RPI as its base of measurement. Occasionally the 28th rated team in the RPI will be found to be rated 27th in the PWR, but that's about the extent of the difference, and you will probably only find 2, maybe 3 instances of a 1 place difference when comparing the 2, this late in the season at least.
You don't have a clue, do you? Of course you have to win some of the games, ESPECIALLY vs the weaker opponents. But its a proven fact that losing to the #1 team in the ratings is better for your own personal ratings, than beating the worst rated team is.
What REALLY kills a team's rating, is losing to a low rated team, that REALLY hurts.
What REALLY helps, is beating a highly rated team.
The RPI is a formula, you should maybe go google it or look it up, Wikipedia probably has a nice write up about it that should help you understand how it works.
And if you say, "oh, but the PWR is not the RPI", I will respond and say, compare the two, see how almost exactly they match up, from top to bottom. And then tell me that the PWR isn't basically the same thing as the RPI. And go figure, that's probably because the PWR uses the RPI as its base of measurement. Occasionally the 28th rated team in the RPI will be found to be rated 27th in the PWR, but that's about the extent of the difference, and you will probably only find 2, maybe 3 instances of a 1 place difference when comparing the 2, this late in the season at least.
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He's dismissing the bottom half of the B1G, which I'd do too, Miami is better than all 3 of them.
Don't care what your opinion is about our NCAA chances, answer the question.
Have you watched Miami play or are you looking at standings and numbers to come to your conclusions?
He's dismissing the bottom half of the B1G, which I'd do too, Miami is better than all 3 of them.
Don't care what your opinion is about our NCAA chances, answer the question.
Have you watched Miami play or are you looking at standings and numbers to come to your conclusions?
hockeykrazy
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
You might want to follow the Redhawks a little more closely. Coleman was out with an injury in the first game against Denver and now he is back. He's scored 8 goals in the last 7 games. He was out 11 games. His first game back was the upset over SCSU on that Friday, he had 2 goals. They are quite a different team than the PWR shows right now with him back in the lineup.
It's kind of like Wisconsin when Kerdiles is out. Or any team that loses one of it's top three players. Plus SCSU has arguably their best Defenseman out - Prochno. I would definitely prefer Prochno in our lineup vs our #6 or 7 who is playing now.
You might want to follow the Redhawks a little more closely. Coleman was out with an injury in the first game against Denver and now he is back. He's scored 8 goals in the last 7 games. He was out 11 games. His first game back was the upset over SCSU on that Friday, he had 2 goals. They are quite a different team than the PWR shows right now with him back in the lineup.
It's kind of like Wisconsin when Kerdiles is out. Or any team that loses one of it's top three players. Plus SCSU has arguably their best Defenseman out - Prochno. I would definitely prefer Prochno in our lineup vs our #6 or 7 who is playing now.
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Tipsy McStagger
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
Oh! How about last night? Michigan played the #1 team in the ratings, and lost. Moved from 14th to 16th in the PWR. Mankato beat the #40 team in the ratings and moved from 17 or 18 to 12th, AHEAD OF MICHIGAN. I know the RPI formula, here it is
It is hilarious how you are explaining to me the intricacies of the RPI when you crapped all over it in the other thread. Really fine work.
If only there was an example....
Oh! How about last night? Michigan played the #1 team in the ratings, and lost. Moved from 14th to 16th in the PWR. Mankato beat the #40 team in the ratings and moved from 17 or 18 to 12th, AHEAD OF MICHIGAN. I know the RPI formula, here it is
54% of the formula is the average winning percentage of the team's opponents' opponents. The LEAST important factor is opponents winning percentage. So since the B1G mopped up in NC play, it raises the RPI of all the teams because most of their opponents' opponents are each other.
It is hilarious how you are explaining to me the intricacies of the RPI when you crapped all over it in the other thread. Really fine work.
FredsDeadFriend
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
Guys, when I said that I followed MU, I didn't say that I was a fan, lol. I don't like the MU alum I am referring to. So I'm like an ANTI-MU fan, hehe.
But that being said, I'm also not SO biased, or SO naïve or ignorant that I don't have a clue about what I am talking about when I talk about something.
You will notice that what I said was, that if the 10 games were spread out 2 in Nov, 2 in Dec, 2 in Jan, 2 in Feb, and 2 in March, that the 3 bottom Big Ten teams would win AT LEAST 3 of the 10 games, but as many as 7 wouldn't be impossible, either.
What I did NOT say was that any of the bottom 3 Big Ten teams would win more games vs MU than they would lose if all the games were played in October and November or if all 10 games were played in March.
I understand that Miami has been missing players and all, but those things happen in sports, and so, that being said, while Miami was in the midst of its 2-13-1 stretch its very likely that OSU, MSU and PSU would have won more games then they would have lost to MU during that period of time.
PSU is in its 2nd year at the Div 1 level and 1st year playing in a conf, and has made steady improvements, but obviously its going to take some time for it to get to the level that Miami of Ohio's been at. MSU is in a slump, but is less than a decade removed from a Natl Title, so like MU, they should be better come next year. OSU? I don't know, they've always been nothing better than an average to less than average hockey team. So I'd hope MU is better than them, but THIS year, during Dec, Jan or Feb, my money would have been bet on OSU. Now in March?! I'd bet on MU vs those 3, but not vs SCSU. Still believe SCSU will win this series, but it won't bother me all that much if they don't.
Guys, when I said that I followed MU, I didn't say that I was a fan, lol. I don't like the MU alum I am referring to. So I'm like an ANTI-MU fan, hehe.
But that being said, I'm also not SO biased, or SO naïve or ignorant that I don't have a clue about what I am talking about when I talk about something.
You will notice that what I said was, that if the 10 games were spread out 2 in Nov, 2 in Dec, 2 in Jan, 2 in Feb, and 2 in March, that the 3 bottom Big Ten teams would win AT LEAST 3 of the 10 games, but as many as 7 wouldn't be impossible, either.
What I did NOT say was that any of the bottom 3 Big Ten teams would win more games vs MU than they would lose if all the games were played in October and November or if all 10 games were played in March.
I understand that Miami has been missing players and all, but those things happen in sports, and so, that being said, while Miami was in the midst of its 2-13-1 stretch its very likely that OSU, MSU and PSU would have won more games then they would have lost to MU during that period of time.
PSU is in its 2nd year at the Div 1 level and 1st year playing in a conf, and has made steady improvements, but obviously its going to take some time for it to get to the level that Miami of Ohio's been at. MSU is in a slump, but is less than a decade removed from a Natl Title, so like MU, they should be better come next year. OSU? I don't know, they've always been nothing better than an average to less than average hockey team. So I'd hope MU is better than them, but THIS year, during Dec, Jan or Feb, my money would have been bet on OSU. Now in March?! I'd bet on MU vs those 3, but not vs SCSU. Still believe SCSU will win this series, but it won't bother me all that much if they don't.
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FredsDeadFriend
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
Of course I crapped all over it in the other thread?! Because its a bullsh1t piece of crap rating system, doesn't mean I don't know how it works?!
Why is it so hilarious that I person would KNOW how a system works and also think its a BAD system?! Shouldn't someone KNOW how a system works before either praising or criticizing it?! DUH?!
And maybe I misjudged your level of understanding of the system, but how could I do that? Maybe because of your silly use of PSU as an example.
The #1 SOS in the nation won't help you if you only win 6 of your 33 games. lol
So your bringing up PSU as an example threw me off. For misjudging your level of understanding and speaking condescendingly towards you about it, I apologize, but maybe you shouldn't use such a ridiculous example next time if you want someone to think you know what you are talking about, eh?!
Of course I crapped all over it in the other thread?! Because its a bullsh1t piece of crap rating system, doesn't mean I don't know how it works?!
Why is it so hilarious that I person would KNOW how a system works and also think its a BAD system?! Shouldn't someone KNOW how a system works before either praising or criticizing it?! DUH?!
And maybe I misjudged your level of understanding of the system, but how could I do that? Maybe because of your silly use of PSU as an example.
The #1 SOS in the nation won't help you if you only win 6 of your 33 games. lol
So your bringing up PSU as an example threw me off. For misjudging your level of understanding and speaking condescendingly towards you about it, I apologize, but maybe you shouldn't use such a ridiculous example next time if you want someone to think you know what you are talking about, eh?!
Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
We interrupt this program for an important announcement.
Penn State has nobody but themselves to blame for their lot in life this season. In large part, they have their cupcake schedule from last season to blame for that, one that featured 10 games against ACHA competition.
UNO took a completely different scheduling approach and had a brutal schedule in it's inaugural season and it paid dividends since UNO reached the CCHA tournament championship game in it's first season as a member of ANY conference (and only the 3rd of it's existence). Plus, they defeated Michigan, the #1 seed, at Joe Louis Arena in front of a packed house of screaming Michigan fans, even, to get to the conference title game. And, the game wasn't any fluke, either. In fact, it wasn't even a contest. Michigan got stomped.
And, I might add, UNO didn't have a club program, that "moved up", either. They created a hockey program out of thin air.
IMHO, if you schedule right, recruit well, and coach well, it shouldn't necessarily "take some time". The UNO case is ample evidence that it doesn't have to. I think Penn State is well behind the curve of where they could be if they had gone about this in a different way.
So, I don't believe Penn State deserves any sort of free passes, particularly with the resources they have at their command, which dwarf that of a school like UNO.
Back to your regularly scheduled programming, now.
We interrupt this program for an important announcement.
Penn State has nobody but themselves to blame for their lot in life this season. In large part, they have their cupcake schedule from last season to blame for that, one that featured 10 games against ACHA competition.
UNO took a completely different scheduling approach and had a brutal schedule in it's inaugural season and it paid dividends since UNO reached the CCHA tournament championship game in it's first season as a member of ANY conference (and only the 3rd of it's existence). Plus, they defeated Michigan, the #1 seed, at Joe Louis Arena in front of a packed house of screaming Michigan fans, even, to get to the conference title game. And, the game wasn't any fluke, either. In fact, it wasn't even a contest. Michigan got stomped.
And, I might add, UNO didn't have a club program, that "moved up", either. They created a hockey program out of thin air.
IMHO, if you schedule right, recruit well, and coach well, it shouldn't necessarily "take some time". The UNO case is ample evidence that it doesn't have to. I think Penn State is well behind the curve of where they could be if they had gone about this in a different way.
So, I don't believe Penn State deserves any sort of free passes, particularly with the resources they have at their command, which dwarf that of a school like UNO.
Back to your regularly scheduled programming, now.
FredsDeadFriend
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Re: NCHC First Round: Miami University at St. Cloud State
First of all, I am not giving PSU any free passes. I'm not a PSU fan in the least, except for that any success PSU has is good for college hockey as a whole.
2nd, if you honestly think that its realistic to think that teams can just pop up out of nowhere and instantly be title contenders, especially when entering into a conf with teams that have won 23 Natl Titles in the past, then you are out of your mind. If UNO did what you say that they did, then good for them. But that would have to be seen as the exception to the rule. It's just not realistic.
Where do the players come from? Most teams have Senior leadership, Jrs, Sophmores and Freshman. Outside of transfers, how is a 2nd year program going to have any Senior leadership?
Also, having an already established ACHA team probably hurts them more than it helps them, because the school probably had/has a lot of those players on the team out of a sense of not wanting to just kick them all to the curb? But I don't know for sure, because I'm not a PSU fan. But as a Gopher fan I can tell you there isn't a school in the country that can just start up a program out of thin air that can compete and beat Minnesota in their first year of existence unless they are cheating, probably not even during one of Minnesota's down years.
And I'd have to go look it up, if what you said is true about UNO's first year in a conf, but all I can tell you is I haven't read anything about all of the Natl Titles or FFs that UNO has made it to. So what happened?! Oh, I reread it, all they did was win ONE game vs Michigan. Guess what, PSU beat Top 10 rated Michigan this year as well. So what?! And PSU is only in their 2nd season, not their 3rd, so they still have THIS years Big Ten tourney, and next years Big Ten tourney to match that UNO accomplishment. Also, did they excel in their first year in the CCHA because the CCHA in general was not all that great of a conference, and maybe UNO caught the conf in a down year?! What was Michigan rated that year, and how did Michigan and the rest of the CCHA do in the NCAA tourney?
Context.
I don't think PSU is behind schedule at all. Just go look at their schedule. a ONE goal loss to #1 ranked Minnesota. A ONE goal loss to #2 ranked Boston College. TWO wins vs Top 15 rated Michigan. A tie vs Mich St. and two 1 goal losses. TWO 1 goal losses to #3 ranked Union. Two 1 goal losses vs Top 10 rated Wisconsin.
Are you nuts?! PSU is doing incredibly well under the circumstances. They are staying with the top rated teams in the country.
You are just looking at their record and their SOS from last year and ignoring the fact that they pass the eye test. I'm a gambler and I'm not betting on them to win the Big Ten conf tourney title, but I'm also not going to bet against them winning their first round matchup, either. Or their 2nd round matchup unless its the Gophers.
First of all, I am not giving PSU any free passes. I'm not a PSU fan in the least, except for that any success PSU has is good for college hockey as a whole.
2nd, if you honestly think that its realistic to think that teams can just pop up out of nowhere and instantly be title contenders, especially when entering into a conf with teams that have won 23 Natl Titles in the past, then you are out of your mind. If UNO did what you say that they did, then good for them. But that would have to be seen as the exception to the rule. It's just not realistic.
Where do the players come from? Most teams have Senior leadership, Jrs, Sophmores and Freshman. Outside of transfers, how is a 2nd year program going to have any Senior leadership?
Also, having an already established ACHA team probably hurts them more than it helps them, because the school probably had/has a lot of those players on the team out of a sense of not wanting to just kick them all to the curb? But I don't know for sure, because I'm not a PSU fan. But as a Gopher fan I can tell you there isn't a school in the country that can just start up a program out of thin air that can compete and beat Minnesota in their first year of existence unless they are cheating, probably not even during one of Minnesota's down years.
And I'd have to go look it up, if what you said is true about UNO's first year in a conf, but all I can tell you is I haven't read anything about all of the Natl Titles or FFs that UNO has made it to. So what happened?! Oh, I reread it, all they did was win ONE game vs Michigan. Guess what, PSU beat Top 10 rated Michigan this year as well. So what?! And PSU is only in their 2nd season, not their 3rd, so they still have THIS years Big Ten tourney, and next years Big Ten tourney to match that UNO accomplishment. Also, did they excel in their first year in the CCHA because the CCHA in general was not all that great of a conference, and maybe UNO caught the conf in a down year?! What was Michigan rated that year, and how did Michigan and the rest of the CCHA do in the NCAA tourney?
Context.
I don't think PSU is behind schedule at all. Just go look at their schedule. a ONE goal loss to #1 ranked Minnesota. A ONE goal loss to #2 ranked Boston College. TWO wins vs Top 15 rated Michigan. A tie vs Mich St. and two 1 goal losses. TWO 1 goal losses to #3 ranked Union. Two 1 goal losses vs Top 10 rated Wisconsin.
Are you nuts?! PSU is doing incredibly well under the circumstances. They are staying with the top rated teams in the country.
You are just looking at their record and their SOS from last year and ignoring the fact that they pass the eye test. I'm a gambler and I'm not betting on them to win the Big Ten conf tourney title, but I'm also not going to bet against them winning their first round matchup, either. Or their 2nd round matchup unless its the Gophers.