NCAA Tourney Team Selection Options

[FredsDeadFriend]

The WCHA getting 4 would not go over well in Big Ten, HE. I just don't see it happening. They should be positively thrilled with getting 3 in.

Which teams from the B1G or HE could claim to be a deserving 4th? Notre Dame, outside of splitting with Minnesota & Michigan, didn't do much else. They split with ASU in both their series', ASU got beat by almost everyone else in the B1G, and only got a tie out of 4 games with Wisconsin, and lost once each to MSU, OSU and PSU. Not sure how they'd be considered NCAA tourney worthy? Who would be worthy in HE? Providence? lol They lost to some pretty lowly teams.

Way more comfortable with BG getting in if NMU doesn't win their Conf tourney.

 

[FredsDeadFriend]

mmhmm.

A woman's hockey fan here, AH/CHA, basically the same thing, lol.

 

[devildog]

The WCHA getting 4 would not go over well in Big Ten, HE. I just don't see it happening. They should be positively thrilled with getting 3 in.

Northern vs Bemidji and LSSU in their last two meetings were some dynamite games, with one exception (NMU 3-1, one OT win-one OT loss vs LSSU, and one OT win- 5-1 win over Bemidji). If NMU keeps playing the way they have been playing, tomorrow should be some great hockey, regardless of who wins tonight. Can't hide from the one stinker they put up against BGSU last weekend, but you have to be impressed with their two most recent games.
Looking forward to tonights game vs LSSU and Bemidji and a great hockey game tomorrow. Good luck to all.
Go Cats!

 

[SCSU BlackandRed]

Wow. This thread got hijacked by insanity. My apologies from “The State of Hockey” for this clown.

So many bad takes. Don’t even know where to start. So I won’t.

More important/relevant, how much does that REALLY bad loss hurt Mankato? I think they just lost a #1 seed.

 

[FredsDeadFriend]

Wow. This thread got hijacked by insanity. My apologies from “The State of Hockey” for this clown.

So many bad takes. Don’t even know where to start. So I won’t.

More important/relevant, how much does that REALLY bad loss hurt Mankato? I think they just lost a #1 seed.

LOL, no one who follows SCSU has any right judging a Gopher fan. No insanity involved, just because SCSU NEVER produced an Olympian, or a Hall of Famer, much less an NCAA title gamer, this makes them Gopher haters, for the most part. It's what LOSERS do. I mean, we stole their coach, why would they like us? Their Arena is named after a "Gopher" legend, not an SCSU legend(is there such a thing? lol).

 

[brassbonanza]

LOL, no one who follows SCSU has any right judging a Gopher fan. No insanity involved, just because SCSU NEVER produced an Olympian, or a Hall of Famer, much less an NCAA title gamer, this makes them Gopher haters, for the most part. It's what LOSERS do. I mean, we stole their coach, why would they like us? Their Arena is named after a "Gopher" legend, not an SCSU legend(is there such a thing? lol).

thanks for stopping by

 

[Andrew J Carter]

Man...a Yooper Rout. Lakers 3-0 after 2.

 

[J.D.]

This has to be that dude JDUBBS? I can't remember if that was the exact name.

 

[SCSU BlackandRed]

Oh we have every right, even more so, you clown, because we aren’t bandwagon fans that live in the past and can give credit where it’s due.

I do support the hockey culture in our state and I know it isn’t tied to one school. Based on your primitive takes, I won’t even assume you graduated from that university. And I won’t rip on it because I know a good number of people who did who are capable of cognitive reasoning unlike yourself.

Nothing you listed in your long line of incoherent rants matters but for what it is worth, SCSU has had multiple Olympians. Still striving for a National title but enjoy our old coach who couldn’t get it done. Not likely to change btw but the guy behind our bench has been a part of getting it done recently. I like our chances with that guy a lot better.

 

[FredsDeadFriend]

This has to be that dude JDUBBS? I can't remember if that was the exact name.

No, I am not JDubbs, but you are not the first to make that idiotic assumption. I am also not pokechecker, I am fredsdeadfriend, always have been, always will be. I've had other monikers, but never tried to deceive anyone as to who I am. I'm Killmenow at Gopherhole, I have been UMnBack2BackU before, and other monikers, but NEVER ONCE have I been more than one moniker at a time, and never once have I denied being who I was in the past. I get online infrequently, hence forget passwords, so I change monikers, but never on purpose. Not sure why everyone assumes I have to be someone else? I have a very distinct posting pattern, shouldn't be so hard to figure out, but many of you are idiots, so there is that, lol.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

This has to be that dude JDUBBS? I can't remember if that was the exact name.

It is. JDUBBS got banned I think, and so he came back as Fred. I would recommend putting them both on ignore...unless you like arguing with crazy.

On a relevant note, Northern Michigan is approximately 497 miles from Fargo.

 

[FredsDeadFriend]

It is. JDUBBS got banned I think, and so he came back as Fred. I would recommend putting them both on ignore...unless you like arguing with crazy.

On a relevant note, Northern Michigan is approximately 497 miles from Fargo.

Damn you people are simple minded. Proof you are very unintelligent. If you can't tell the differnence between me and JDubbs or me and pokechecker, you are total MORONS, lol.

All I'd have to do is delve into the world of religion to differentiate myself from anyone else you might compare me to, but this is a COLLEGE HOCKEY forum, right? So I'd prefer to avoid doing that. Sticking to just sports, I don't know, did JDubbs ever talk about 1902 natl bb titles the Gophers won? JDubb was only a hockey fan, from what I can remember? And I was here at the same time as JDubb? How does that work? I could probably go on for hours listing the differences between me and JDubb, but you are all nutjob liberals who believe only what you want to believe, so it is impossible for me to prove I am not JDubb, since you have determined I must be he, lol. LOSERS!!!

 

[Numbers]

I'm still looking for some discussion about whether MSUM might have cost themselves a #1, and what their loss does to the bracket. Also, Is BSU still in?

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

I'm still looking for some discussion about whether MSUM might have cost themselves a #1, and what their loss does to the bracket. Also, Is BSU still in?

The biggest problem with taking Mankato out of a #1 seed is who do you replace them with? UMASS?

 

[Numbers]

The biggest problem with taking Mankato out of a #1 seed is who do you replace them with? UMASS?

This is totally the question. There isn't any other good choice. Wisconsin might actually be the 4th best team. I don't envy the committee with this situation.

Also, roughly, I am getting something like this, now:

#1s: NoDak, Minn, BC, Mankato (in that order)
#2s: Wisc, SCSU, Mass, Quinn (where the first 3 are roughly even to me, and QU is a distant #8 overall)
#3s: BU, LSSU (have to have them ahead of BSU now, I think - although BSU has better results against Mankato), Mich, UMD
#4s: AIC, HEA #4, WCHA #3 (NMU or BSU), NCHC #4 (DU or Omaha)

And, I am stumbling against this question:
Putting all teams with no flight into Fargo yields something like this:
NoDak, Wisc or SCSU, UMD, NMU/BSU
Now, I don't mind the Fighting Hawks playing NMU or BSU in round 1. That seems right (even though traditionally they would get AIC, maybe). What seems weird is the 2nd/3rd band game. They get either the strongest or 2nd strongest #2, and I would estimate also the strongest or 2nd strongest #3 (UMD). And, there doesn't seem a good way to change this.

Also, this bracket requires Mankato go to Loveland, because the Loveland #1 gets Denver or Omaha, and surely one would seed those 2 teams stronger matchups than PC or UConn or AIC. Thus, I am guessing at this point that Minnesota goes to Albany.

I think if I had to do a ranking right now, it would go:
NoDak, Minn, BC, Mankato....
Wisco, SCSU, Mass, Quinn....
UMD, Mich, BU, LSSU
DU/Omaha, AIC, HEA #4, BSU/NMU

 

[J.D.]

As of right now I would still have Bemidji in. Probably the 4 seed in Fargo. But they'll be sweating it out tomorrow for sure. If NMU wins, they take Bemidji's spot in Fargo.

I think Canisius has a decent shot to knock off AIC. Good record, beat Army and played in what looks to be the tougher of the Atlantic divisions. If AIC loses that is what I am curious about. Until today they hadn't played since January and now they got a back to back situation against a team that has been playing. I do think there's a chance AIC gets an at large if they lose. And with that, FDF just had a heart attack.

 

[Numbers]

As of right now I would still have Bemidji in. Probably the 4 seed in Fargo. But they'll be sweating it out tomorrow for sure. If NMU wins, they take Bemidji's spot in Fargo.

I think Canisius has a decent shot to knock off AIC. Good record, beat Army and played in what looks to be the tougher of the Atlantic divisions. If AIC loses that is what I am curious about. Until today they hadn't played since January and now they got a back to back situation against a team that has been playing. I do think there's a chance AIC gets an at large if they lose. And with that, FDF just had a heart attack.

I'm agreeing with you about Bemidji and NMU. You can't make a reasonable argument for 4 WCHA teams over 4 B10s or such, so there will likely be only 3 WCHA teams in the field. LSSU seems like they need to be the 2nd. So, if NMU wins the title, Bemidji is out.

I can't really imagine 5 HE teams in either, so if Lowell wins, then no Prov or Conn
Past that, it gets really murky.....
If St Lawrence wins, who is the next out? I doubt if it's Quinn. Might be the NCHC4 or the HEA4
If Canisius wins, how would you rank AIC, Omaha and Providence?

Big questions there....

 

[J.D.]

That's tough because I haven't seen AIC at all this year. And I know history isn't necessarily supposed to be a factor but we've seen them beat SCSU and Eric Lang is doing something special there. So when I look at their record, I don't think it would be crazy to take them over PC/Omaha in a year like this. The one thing you can point to as a negative is they got swept by Quinnipiac. That's not a terrible thing to say but it could ultimately play a role in evaluating them.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Here is where I think things roughly stand (again, with the committee) going into the last day of the conference tournaments, if things go chalk:

1. North Dakota#!%
2. Minnesota#!
3. Boston College!
4. Minnesota State Mankato!
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5. Massachusetts#*
6. Wisconsin*
7. Quinnipiac#*
8. St. Cloud State*
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9. Minnesota Duluth*
10. Lake Superior State#*
11. Michigan*
12. Boston University*
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13. Providence
14. Bemidji State
15. Omaha
16. AIC#

# = Clinched Conference's Auto-Bid (or clinches if brackets go chalk)
! = Lock for #1 Seed
% = Lock for #1 Overall Seed
* = Lock for NCAA Tournament (regardless of today's results)

Potential brackets with this field...

Bridgeport:
3. Boston College v. 16. AIC
7. Quinnipiac v. 12. Boston University

Fargo:
1. North Dakota v. 14. Bemidji State
8. St. Cloud State v. 10. Lake Superior State

Albany:
4. Minnesota State v. 13. Providence
5. Massachusetts v. 11. Michigan

Loveland:
2. Minnesota v. 15. Omaha
6. Wisconsin v. 9. Minnesota Duluth

I would also be perfectly fine with swapping the SCSU/LSSU and UW/UMD matches in their entirety.

I also think it will be very interesting to see where Minnesota is placed. They are almost certainly the second #1 seed for western teams (if not #2 overall, as I have them). Does the committee "reward" them by keeping them out West? Or do they send them out to Albany? There is basically no difference travel wise between Minnesota and Minnesota State if we are presuming they are going to the Loveland/Albany regionals as #1 seeds. The more I think about it, the more I think it is likely that the Gophers wind up in Loveland.

 

[J.D.]

Despite Denver's record, giving the nod to Omaha over them bothers me but I understand the overall math is in Omaha's favor. I am cheering for a way to get both of them out and leave the NCHC with just the three. That might cause the world to spontaneously combust but I'm in! Would be a frosty discussion between Mike Gabinet and Mike Kemp I am sure. So with Kemp on the committee and the regional being in Loveland, it's probably the biggest question mark in this entire thing.

I have mentioned it a couple times but based on your rankings I wouldn't rule out BC and UMass to Albany as the 1/2 and then send the stronger #1 like Minnesota to Bridgeport with a "weaker" two seed in QU. It's not like they will be playing in front of a Bobcat home crowd and they would be flying to Loveland or Albany in this scenario.

I do agree with your top 12. I haven't done all the possibilities but based on upsets today is there a way that one of those current #3s gets knocked out? And if so, do you think the committee would knock a team out based more on merit/ability or based on what conference they are in and how many teams that conference will have in the field?