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NCAA Frozen Four in Lake Placid, NY

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Oh- and I thought the officiating was excellent for all three games.

Ha! The Oswego/St. Norbert game was some of the most inconsistent officiating I have seen all year. One minute, they are calling everything, the next they are calling nothing. I always have to see a player called for something that, despite obviously being a penalty, another player had done not even a minute before and got no call. That's what I saw countless times in that game.

The Plattsburgh/Norwich game was an interesting officiating performance. Inconsistent, but not quite as much. Everett was, somewhat surprisingly, the better ref on this ice. EDIT: now that I look back, it was Everleth, not Everett. Shea, who was part of the crew last week in Norwich that we all praised so much, was horribly inconsistent, making some very borderline-at-best calls, while letting some obvious ones go uncalled. I'm not sure who the official was, but on the norwich no-goal (which I do believe should have been a goal, that was the first time I have ever see an official point at the goal to signal "goal" and then change his mind, let play continue, and then consult. I'm glad they went through the consultation process, since he was obviously unsure, but to signal goal should have been the last step in his thought process. I also want to know how Wieland (a Cardinal) clearly got cross-checked from behind into Leis, causing a 3-man pileup in the goal, and got called for Holding himself, which he clearly did not do. I'm sorry, it's not just my homer bias speaking here, the Norwich fans around me agreed with my assessment of that penalty.

The officiating in the final was good overall in regulation. Some minor annoyances, more than anything. Not the fault of the refs, but I disliked how a TV-timeout was called at the beginning of both of Norwich's first two powerplays. A few things let go in regulation, and a few borderline calls, but within the acceptable range. But I was furious with them during the second overtime. It was evident VERY early on in the overtime that, in the words of an Oswego fan sitting near me, "they're going to have to decapitate someone to get called for a penalty". I'm all for that, letting the guys play in the overtime and not get involved. But when both sides had multiple players being helped off the ice in a relatively short time, that's when something has to give. But no, they continued to let them play. But at least they were consistent about it. Until the one tripping call which, while obviously being a trip, was the most ridiculously insignificant penalty of the 2 OTs. He caught a players skate with trailing stick, after having just played the puck, and I almost think it was embellished a little, but still should not have been worthy of being the only penalty called in the OTs, given what was NOT called. If you're going to call one, particularity that one, all them all please. It was clear that both teams were holding back for the next few minutes, afraid that the Refs would start calling everything. They didn't, which only got me even more irate.


Regulation of the final was the closest I got to being content with the officiating. The rest was far from "excellent" .
 
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A great weekend of hockey for sure! One question what happened to the National anthem for the Norwich/Plattsburgh game Friday???:confused:
 
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The officiating was good, although I have to admit the trip called in the 2nd ot was a little mysterious. Not that it wasn't a trip, but after going 50 minutes without a penalty call, that wasn't the most egregious penalty to call.

I thought the same thing. They let about three pretty egregious things by both teams go in the OT, which was fine as they were consistent with it. Then that trip was called...really surprised me.
 
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Oh- and I thought the officiating was excellent for all three games.

DOH!- except for the Norwich "ungoal". Forgot about that (hey, I drove 20 hours last week:eek: ). We clearly saw the net move and the light went on. Good thing Norwich didn't end up needing that one or the refs would have decided the game.

Couldn't see the overtime trip call from where we were sitting, so I can't say. Agreed it was two overtimes of a chamionship game, but how many times have you seen 39:30 of hockey played without a penalty? I think they really tried to put the whistles away and let them play, but I guess they thought that one was too obvious and didn't want to send the "anything goes guys" signal.

Otherwise, from where I sat, "I thought the officiating was excellent". They're just as human as the players.
 
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DOH!- except for the Norwich "ungoal". Forgot about that (hey, I drove 20 hours last week:eek: ). We clearly saw the net move and the light went on. Good thing Norwich didn't end up needing that one or the refs would have decided the game.

Couldn't see the overtime trip call from where we were sitting, so I can't say. Agreed it was two overtimes of a chamionship game, but how many times have you seen 39:30 of hockey played without a penalty? I think they really tried to put the whistles away and let them play, but I guess they thought that one was too obvious and didn't want to send the "anything goes guys" signal.

Otherwise, from where I sat, "I thought the officiating was excellent". They're just as human as the players.

I can understand that assessment, although I still stand behind my above-stated assessment. I also think the "anything goes guys" signal had already been sent about 35 minutes before, and was sent over and over again during that intervening time. Numerous clear-as-day and potentially injury-causing boardings, trippings, crosschecks, hitting from behinds, etc. throughout the overtime leading up to that. The one penalty totally changed the whole complexion of the OT, especially for the Knights, who were clearly the more physical team. (Not saying it's why they lost! Norwich was clearly the faster team at that point, and it was inevitable.)
 
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The combination of "ANYTHING GOES" and "NO MORE TV TIMEOUTS" once regulation play was complete gassed both teams in the end, St, Norbert's a bit more than Norwich...:rolleyes:

Speaking of gassed, anyone see the third OT of the Women's Final on CBSCS yesterday...???:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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A great weekend of hockey for sure! One question what happened to the National anthem for the Norwich/Plattsburgh game Friday???:confused:

The lack of ANYONE'S national anthem prior to either of Friday's games was the most weird part of the entire weekend. At Norwich they do both the CAN & US before every game. I always thought it a bit strange at a US military school, that they did both, but what the h***. The lack of even the US anthem made me wonder where we all were :confused:
 
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The lack of ANYONE'S national anthem prior to either of Friday's games was the most weird part of the entire weekend. At Norwich they do both the CAN & US before every game. I always thought it a bit strange at a US military school, that they did both, but what the h***. The lack of even the US anthem made me wonder where we all were :confused:

They only play it for the first game, its been that way all 3 years.
 
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The lack of ANYONE'S national anthem prior to either of Friday's games was the most weird part of the entire weekend. At Norwich they do both the CAN & US before every game. I always thought it a bit strange at a US military school, that they did both, but what the h***. The lack of even the US anthem made me wonder where we all were :confused:

The NCAA only permits the US National Anthem at these events but I was shocked that it was not played at the NU/ Platty game
 
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The lack of ANYONE'S national anthem prior to either of Friday's games was the most weird part of the entire weekend. At Norwich they do both the CAN & US before every game. I always thought it a bit strange at a US military school, that they did both, but what the h***. The lack of even the US anthem made me wonder where we all were :confused:

They did do the US national anthem prior to the start of the first game. They had a ceremony with the US flag and the four school flags at center ice prior to the anthem. I guess they thought that sufficed for both games. It seemed odd to me that they didn't have the anthem before the second game. It is NCAA policy that only the US anthem is to be played. (Shhhhhhhh, I know Paula sang both anthems before the QF game with Elmira.) Must be that you missed the ceremony before the start of the first game on Friday.
 
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Agreed... I guess they treat it like a double header and figured once was enough...:confused: :confused: :confused:

I like the fact Oswego plays both anthems as well...:D
 
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They did do the US national anthem prior to the start of the first game. They had a ceremony with the US flag and the four school flags at center ice prior to the anthem. I guess they thought that sufficed for both games. It seemed odd to me that they didn't have the anthem before the second game. It is NCAA policy that only the US anthem is to be played. (Shhhhhhhh, I know Paula sang both anthems before the QF game with Elmira.) Must be that you missed the ceremony before the start of the first game on Friday.

NOW I remember :confused: It was right after I realized that I had lost my coat and cel phone from my daypack somewhere between the hotel and the rink :( All ended up ok as a samaritan turned in the phone, and my wife found the coat on a bench :D
 
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NYS Senate kills ORDA

In perhaps their dumbest move yet, the New York State Senate has voted to cut 100% of the funding for ORDA. I hope everyone enjoyed their stay in Lake Placid this weekend because it looks like this was the last time it will be there.
 
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NYS Senate kills ORDA

In perhaps their dumbest move yet, the New York State Senate has voted to cut 100% of the funding for ORDA. I hope everyone enjoyed their stay in Lake Placid this weekend because it looks like this was the last time it will be there.

Just saw this on the news. Particularly painful, given the almost unanimous vote of "great location" that our posters gave the weekend's site.:mad:
 
Re: NCAA Frozen Four in Lake Placid, NY

NYS Senate kills ORDA

In perhaps their dumbest move yet, the New York State Senate has voted to cut 100% of the funding for ORDA. I hope everyone enjoyed their stay in Lake Placid this weekend because it looks like this was the last time it will be there.

Keep in mind this is only a proposal from the NYS Senate. I don't picture ORDA losing all of its funding.
 
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Whats even better NYS/Gov Paterson/Commisioner of Corrections Fischer is deciding to give almost $800,000 to build a bunny ranch at our prision. Yet we have to close 4 jails, and now can't give funding to something POSITIVE in the state like the ORDA...but lets let criminals reproduce freely.....Our old Superintendent would have NEVER allowed this at our jail, but our new one I guess just didn't have the testicular fortitude to say no...Kind of fitting now that every slug, non working, drug dealing, child molesting ex felon will now have Heath Care...Group Hug everyone....

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/gov_david_paterson_earmarks_77.html

Gov. David Paterson earmarks $778,000 for conjugal visit trailer at prisonBy Delen Goldberg / The Post-Standard
March 19, 2010, 2:15PM
Syracuse, NY -- Gov. David Paterson wants to spend almost $800,000 on two double-wide trailers for conjugal and family visits at the Five Points Correctional Facility in Romulus, Seneca County.

Paterson included the funding in his 2010-11 state budget proposal.

New York currently faces a $9 billion deficit. Paterson has proposed cutting aid to schools and hospitals, closing state parks and historic sites and delaying residents' income tax refunds to plug the hole.

At the same time, Paterson wants to spend $778,000 on two trailers that would enable inmates to host family members for as long as 44 hours once every eight weeks. The trailers would allow Five Points to offer the Family Reunion Program, which nearly every maximum security general confinement prison in the state offers, according to the Finger Lakes Times, which broke news of Paterson's plans Thursday.

Department of Corrections officials say the program helps rehabilitate inmates and allows them to better re-enter society.

The four-unit trailers would be finished by March 2011, the Finger Lakes Times reported.

Twenty facilities across the state, including Auburn Prison, offer the Family Reunion Program
 
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The nice thing about it all these guys are playing for the love of the game. How come politicians never deny themselves anything?:mad: :mad:
 
Re: NCAA Frozen Four in Lake Placid, NY

NYS Senate kills ORDA

In perhaps their dumbest move yet, the New York State Senate has voted to cut 100% of the funding for ORDA. I hope everyone enjoyed their stay in Lake Placid this weekend because it looks like this was the last time it will be there.

Well, if there's an - I dunno, tin? - lining to this, it's that the writer may have jumped the gun in pronouncing the loss of state funding as ORDA's death knell. I got kinda suspicious when imminent shutdown was mentioned without any actual quotes from ORDA staff, so I took a look at their '09 financial report. As I suspected, state aid is a big piece of ORDA's fiscal pie, but not necessarily the whole she-bang as implied by the article. If I'm reading the report correctly - and somebody who knows what they're talking about please correct me on this if I'm not - Page 17 indicates that while $7.75 million of ORDA's revenue came from the state in 2009, they also generated over $23 million of their own through their various events and facilities, plus a little under a million each from sponsors and their township.

Given this, as well as a SUNY Plattsburgh study that estimates ORDA generated a cool $300 million in economic impact from tourism in '08 alone, one would hope the organization would have enough leverage to make the town or local businesses step in and lend a helping hand; it seems to be a far more expensive venture to let it fold than to keep it alive. I think the worst part of this might just be the complete lack of notice: it appears ORDA has the resources to weather this, but it really would've been helpful if they'd been given some kind of heads-up to avoid the crunch caused by 6.6 million dollars evaporating from their budget.
 
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Just saw this on the news. Particularly painful, given the almost unanimous vote of "great location" that our posters gave the weekend's site.:mad:

The only thing I didn't like about the weekend was the lame DJ/MC type guy on the ice during the intermissions. Between periods entertainment is fine - but ...

Other than that, I thought ORDA did an outstanding job on the weekend. Hopefully the withdrawal of funding won't happen, or they can find alternate sources. Seems to me there's an awful lot of activity in LP that this organization generates. Probably brings in more in sales taxes than is spent on it.
 
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