Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
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http://www.d3westhockey.com/FFPathsWeTake032611.html
An article on Fogarty's old man.
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NCAA championship weekend coverage
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BlueDevilRadio
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Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
Photos and chatter already filling up live blog at: www.stouthockey.com/blog
Come in, it's warm and cozy!
Photos and chatter already filling up live blog at: www.stouthockey.com/blog
Come in, it's warm and cozy!
Josh Carey
Stats Guy
Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
The original championships live blog is up and running over at D3WH.
You can find the only live blog not in danger of being shut down because its operator is violating his NCAA press credentials by running it right here.
The original championships live blog is up and running over at D3WH.
You can find the only live blog not in danger of being shut down because its operator is violating his NCAA press credentials by running it right here.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Anyone got a score?
Hammer
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Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
I have the championship coverage up. The semifinal recaps and photos would have been posted sooner, but with Michigan-UNO going to OT, it made it a lot more difficult last night. And while I am the DIII AND Women's editor, I started with USCHO as a lowly beat writer for DI (Denver, and later also CC and AFA), and I still do a lot of recap writing and shooting for DI.
On another note, I would love to get more DIII recap writers for next season. I do want to continue to build the DIII coverage, and this season was spent mostly learning about it. If anybody is interested in writing DIII recaps next year, get in touch with me over the summer and send me some clips, and we'll see what happens.
I have the championship coverage up. The semifinal recaps and photos would have been posted sooner, but with Michigan-UNO going to OT, it made it a lot more difficult last night. And while I am the DIII AND Women's editor, I started with USCHO as a lowly beat writer for DI (Denver, and later also CC and AFA), and I still do a lot of recap writing and shooting for DI.
On another note, I would love to get more DIII recap writers for next season. I do want to continue to build the DIII coverage, and this season was spent mostly learning about it. If anybody is interested in writing DIII recaps next year, get in touch with me over the summer and send me some clips, and we'll see what happens.
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Smoking in the selection room.
LakerEagleLover
Well-known member
Matt Rennell
Migrating to d3hockey.com
Chris Lerch
Renaissance Man
Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm not feeling the love from some disgruntled former employees. I have allowed links to competing sites because I think this sport needs all the coverage it can get. And because I like you guys. But ripping on USCHO, which extends this courtesy to you, and has led the charge for more exposure to this sport for over a decade, is bush. We, as Matt can attest, are stretched thin especially when the D-III finals are held in the West.
Unfortunately as I fight for more resources for D-III, I have been presented with the cold, hard facts that over the last couple of years, D-III interest has plateaued, while the other three areas (D-I men, D-I women, D-III Women) are still growing. Is this a checken-or-the-egg thing? Does my ego suggest that after I had to stop putting my heart and soul into D-III coverage things stopped growing? Was it when all the RIT fans left? No, I would be giving myself and them too much credit. For whatever reason I think there are external forces that have caused interest in D-III to plateau. Attendance is down at many of the big schools compared to 5 years ago. That's an area for investigation I'd like to explore. Maybe I'll come out of retirement to do it.
But in the meantime, yes, we are always looking for recappers. We have a heck of a time finding them at D-III schools. Jaslow and most of our writers drive a ridiculous amount of miles to cover games when they can. Despite the fact that the number of page views on D-III recaps is well below their D-I counterparts, we still want more. If we get more writers, I can guarantee you that I will fight for another recap editing position on the weekends. But we have to have the writers lined up and committed, or we're not going spend the resources, especially on something with a smaller nucleus of interest.
This was the second year in a row I failed to see a D-III game and that sucked. As it is, I have three games left this year to see, and I hope they're good. For those out West, maybe I'll see you in St. Paul.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm not feeling the love from some disgruntled former employees. I have allowed links to competing sites because I think this sport needs all the coverage it can get. And because I like you guys. But ripping on USCHO, which extends this courtesy to you, and has led the charge for more exposure to this sport for over a decade, is bush. We, as Matt can attest, are stretched thin especially when the D-III finals are held in the West.
Unfortunately as I fight for more resources for D-III, I have been presented with the cold, hard facts that over the last couple of years, D-III interest has plateaued, while the other three areas (D-I men, D-I women, D-III Women) are still growing. Is this a checken-or-the-egg thing? Does my ego suggest that after I had to stop putting my heart and soul into D-III coverage things stopped growing? Was it when all the RIT fans left? No, I would be giving myself and them too much credit. For whatever reason I think there are external forces that have caused interest in D-III to plateau. Attendance is down at many of the big schools compared to 5 years ago. That's an area for investigation I'd like to explore. Maybe I'll come out of retirement to do it.
But in the meantime, yes, we are always looking for recappers. We have a heck of a time finding them at D-III schools. Jaslow and most of our writers drive a ridiculous amount of miles to cover games when they can. Despite the fact that the number of page views on D-III recaps is well below their D-I counterparts, we still want more. If we get more writers, I can guarantee you that I will fight for another recap editing position on the weekends. But we have to have the writers lined up and committed, or we're not going spend the resources, especially on something with a smaller nucleus of interest.
This was the second year in a row I failed to see a D-III game and that sucked. As it is, I have three games left this year to see, and I hope they're good. For those out West, maybe I'll see you in St. Paul.
Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
Chris, one of the problems is that when there is less to see, there will be fewer views. Some of us who are veterans of this site can remember when there was much more coverage. This year when the NCAAs came around and (apparently) there were stories written that could only be found by clicking on a link to the scoreboard and then clicking on a recap link from the scoreboard. Those stories aren't going to get many views for the simple reason that people don't look at the scoreboard to find links to recaps because there are very few (if any) such links during the season. I'm a passionate fan of DIII hockey (and a contributor to one of your competitors), and I wish there were more support here. It seems like the way we get most of our news (especially in the East) is through the rumors/facts/ what have you that get tossed around in here. There are growing fan bases here - particularly Oswego fans and Adrian fans.
I'm voting for the egg - without more coverage views will go down, which will cause less coverage, which will make views go down, etc.
Chris, one of the problems is that when there is less to see, there will be fewer views. Some of us who are veterans of this site can remember when there was much more coverage. This year when the NCAAs came around and (apparently) there were stories written that could only be found by clicking on a link to the scoreboard and then clicking on a recap link from the scoreboard. Those stories aren't going to get many views for the simple reason that people don't look at the scoreboard to find links to recaps because there are very few (if any) such links during the season. I'm a passionate fan of DIII hockey (and a contributor to one of your competitors), and I wish there were more support here. It seems like the way we get most of our news (especially in the East) is through the rumors/facts/ what have you that get tossed around in here. There are growing fan bases here - particularly Oswego fans and Adrian fans.
I'm voting for the egg - without more coverage views will go down, which will cause less coverage, which will make views go down, etc.
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LakerEagleLover
Well-known member
Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
BlueDevilRadio
Bi-Winning
Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
I've been disappointed in the lack of a sense of ownership by USCHO for DIII hockey coverage this year, as evidenced by the reduced content, less than timely updates and poor use of the main page to direct us to what content does exist. That said, I know it is a difficult task to support DIII given the limited revenue it generates, and as such, many people work for little or no compensation to bring us the coverage we want. I've been impressed with the leeway the moderator of this forum has given to the competitors, which I had assumed was for the overall good of the DIII game.
I've also met some of the folks (not all) who are now competing with USCHO on DIII coverage and while they have reason to be upset, I've always felt they took it far too personally. I think they're doing an excellent job of trying to expand the interest in DIII hockey and they should continue to do so without wasting energy on bad mouthing USCHO.
Bottom line, USCHO needs to be smarter in how they utilize their existing resources and D3WH needs to keep focusing their energy on making their venture sustainable. DIII men's hockey is worthy of all your efforts.
P.S. Here's to SNC standing for Several National Championships over the coming years - with better coverage of the ride every year.
I've been disappointed in the lack of a sense of ownership by USCHO for DIII hockey coverage this year, as evidenced by the reduced content, less than timely updates and poor use of the main page to direct us to what content does exist. That said, I know it is a difficult task to support DIII given the limited revenue it generates, and as such, many people work for little or no compensation to bring us the coverage we want. I've been impressed with the leeway the moderator of this forum has given to the competitors, which I had assumed was for the overall good of the DIII game.
I've also met some of the folks (not all) who are now competing with USCHO on DIII coverage and while they have reason to be upset, I've always felt they took it far too personally. I think they're doing an excellent job of trying to expand the interest in DIII hockey and they should continue to do so without wasting energy on bad mouthing USCHO.
Bottom line, USCHO needs to be smarter in how they utilize their existing resources and D3WH needs to keep focusing their energy on making their venture sustainable. DIII men's hockey is worthy of all your efforts.
P.S. Here's to SNC standing for Several National Championships over the coming years - with better coverage of the ride every year.
Matt Rennell
Migrating to d3hockey.com
Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
Chris, let me first clear a few things up. My issue is not with the writers. They work their tails off and I have all the respect in the world for them.
I understand you are stretched thin. Believe me, I do. That being said, since you are so thin, especially with the finals in the west, who's bright idea was it to have the D3 Editor (a paid position I might add) go and cover the D1 Regional? What exactly are you paying her to do? Run the D3 site or cover D1? And really, the 2 minutes and 35 seconds of overtime in the Michigan and UNO game made it impossible to update the D3 page? Give me a freakin break.
And yes Chris, the level of effort from USCHO on the D3 side since your departure has gone down the tube. You want to know why your D3 recaps don't get any hits? Because no one is going to go to your scores page to try and hunt one down and there are a few reasons for this. No one knows they are there, the message board contains more information in a more timely manner, and if someone wants to check scores they are going to collegehockeystats. I'll be honest, in the bookmarks on my computer I don't have USCHO's main page tabbed. I have the message board and that is it. I rarely even visit the main page anymore because there is never anything new to see. And trust me, I don't take any joy in saying that. The coverage used to be much much better.
IMO the decline in D3 coverage can be attributed to two events. RIT leaving for D1 and then you leaving. However, if USCHO (and by USCHO I don't me you or the writers, I mean those who make the final decisions and those who currently run the D3 page) even gave a lick about D3 hockey the drop would not have occured. Without going into details, you know as well as I do that there were people ready and willing to contribute to the D3 page. I know multiple people who have expressed interest anywhere from editing to writing and in some cases have even submitted stories to USCHO only to be told no or to not even get a reply at all.
Instead, when the times comes to fill your shoes, USCHO goes with some unqualified person (by her own admission, who needed an entire season to "learn about it", whatever that means) who lives in Denver and spends more time doing D1 work than doing what she was hired to do. The D3 FF dates are announced well in advance, it shouldn't have caught anyone at USCHO by surprise. Here is my question, did Candace go to St. Louis like it sounds? If so on whose dime? USCHO's? If so, shame on USCHO for flying her to St. Louis rather than to Minnesota to cover the league she is paid to cover. If it's on her dime, then shame on her for not taking her job seriously by showing up in St. Louis and throwing D3 to the curb. If that is the case maybe she should hand of the reigns to someone who will put D3 first and foremost.
You call me a disgruntled former employee? Here is what I have to say to that. For two years I was the D3 women's editor and I did not collect one paycheck for my services. I volunteered. I agreed to do this because I am a fan of the game and wanted it to get better coverage than it had the year before. In the two years that I volunteered, I can count on one hand the number of times I received a column or recap and it was not posted to the site within 24 hours. In fact, a majority of the times the weekly features were up Thursday night, which is more than what the D3 mens page could say for those seasons.
So excuse me if I am a bit disgruntled with the way things are currently being run. I visit this site daily and contribute to the hits which bring in revenue through the ads, which in turn makes the site money. So I have every right to voice my displeasure about the work USCHO is doing. You make it sound like we don't have a right to complain and that we all should just be "happy to be here". That's a line I would expect from others in USCHO Chris, you're better than that. If USCHO isn't going to step up their game for D3 then maybe another site will seize the opportunity, expand their own coverage, develop a message board and our "dwindling fanbase" can take our sorry selves over there. Clearly we wont be missed.
Chris, let me first clear a few things up. My issue is not with the writers. They work their tails off and I have all the respect in the world for them.
I understand you are stretched thin. Believe me, I do. That being said, since you are so thin, especially with the finals in the west, who's bright idea was it to have the D3 Editor (a paid position I might add) go and cover the D1 Regional? What exactly are you paying her to do? Run the D3 site or cover D1? And really, the 2 minutes and 35 seconds of overtime in the Michigan and UNO game made it impossible to update the D3 page? Give me a freakin break.
And yes Chris, the level of effort from USCHO on the D3 side since your departure has gone down the tube. You want to know why your D3 recaps don't get any hits? Because no one is going to go to your scores page to try and hunt one down and there are a few reasons for this. No one knows they are there, the message board contains more information in a more timely manner, and if someone wants to check scores they are going to collegehockeystats. I'll be honest, in the bookmarks on my computer I don't have USCHO's main page tabbed. I have the message board and that is it. I rarely even visit the main page anymore because there is never anything new to see. And trust me, I don't take any joy in saying that. The coverage used to be much much better.
IMO the decline in D3 coverage can be attributed to two events. RIT leaving for D1 and then you leaving. However, if USCHO (and by USCHO I don't me you or the writers, I mean those who make the final decisions and those who currently run the D3 page) even gave a lick about D3 hockey the drop would not have occured. Without going into details, you know as well as I do that there were people ready and willing to contribute to the D3 page. I know multiple people who have expressed interest anywhere from editing to writing and in some cases have even submitted stories to USCHO only to be told no or to not even get a reply at all.
Instead, when the times comes to fill your shoes, USCHO goes with some unqualified person (by her own admission, who needed an entire season to "learn about it", whatever that means) who lives in Denver and spends more time doing D1 work than doing what she was hired to do. The D3 FF dates are announced well in advance, it shouldn't have caught anyone at USCHO by surprise. Here is my question, did Candace go to St. Louis like it sounds? If so on whose dime? USCHO's? If so, shame on USCHO for flying her to St. Louis rather than to Minnesota to cover the league she is paid to cover. If it's on her dime, then shame on her for not taking her job seriously by showing up in St. Louis and throwing D3 to the curb. If that is the case maybe she should hand of the reigns to someone who will put D3 first and foremost.
You call me a disgruntled former employee? Here is what I have to say to that. For two years I was the D3 women's editor and I did not collect one paycheck for my services. I volunteered. I agreed to do this because I am a fan of the game and wanted it to get better coverage than it had the year before. In the two years that I volunteered, I can count on one hand the number of times I received a column or recap and it was not posted to the site within 24 hours. In fact, a majority of the times the weekly features were up Thursday night, which is more than what the D3 mens page could say for those seasons.
So excuse me if I am a bit disgruntled with the way things are currently being run. I visit this site daily and contribute to the hits which bring in revenue through the ads, which in turn makes the site money. So I have every right to voice my displeasure about the work USCHO is doing. You make it sound like we don't have a right to complain and that we all should just be "happy to be here". That's a line I would expect from others in USCHO Chris, you're better than that. If USCHO isn't going to step up their game for D3 then maybe another site will seize the opportunity, expand their own coverage, develop a message board and our "dwindling fanbase" can take our sorry selves over there. Clearly we wont be missed.
Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
You know, I don't understand the comment about "stories can only be found by going to the scoreboard."
You do understand that with the site redesign, that is universal. There are only two places to find links to game recaps: scoreboard, and the recaps page. Regardless of what type of game it is (women's, D-III, women's D-III, or D-I), that is where you get to find recaps. Very occasionally, for special games, we might link right off the home page for that particular game, but for the most part, we don't.
You know, I don't understand the comment about "stories can only be found by going to the scoreboard."
You do understand that with the site redesign, that is universal. There are only two places to find links to game recaps: scoreboard, and the recaps page. Regardless of what type of game it is (women's, D-III, women's D-III, or D-I), that is where you get to find recaps. Very occasionally, for special games, we might link right off the home page for that particular game, but for the most part, we don't.
Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
Quite frankly in the last three years the USCHO D-3 men's coverage has been very subpar, and I say that not only as a fan but as the SID of one of the division's most prominent programs. I'm 99.98 percent certain I did not speak/hear to/from anyone from USCHO this season. The door swings both ways. How can hits go up if the coverage is non-existent, superfluous or late getting posted? I know of MANY St. Norbert fans/staff who have asked me, especially this weekend, "What the (heck) has happened to USCHO?" I didn't have much of an answer.
I can understand not linking recaps from regular-season games, but any NCAA tournament game (there are a whopping TEN of them spready this year over 18 days) should be posted as soon as copy gets sent in to the home office. There is no excuse for it not being nearly real time or waiting for a D-1 editor to have to post it.
I don't want to sound unappreciative of USCHO, because it has been great to D-3 and especially St. Norbert through the years. But in the 2009-10-11 stretch you can't deny the coverage has been weak enough to merit taking shots from those who follow the division religiously.
Quite frankly in the last three years the USCHO D-3 men's coverage has been very subpar, and I say that not only as a fan but as the SID of one of the division's most prominent programs. I'm 99.98 percent certain I did not speak/hear to/from anyone from USCHO this season. The door swings both ways. How can hits go up if the coverage is non-existent, superfluous or late getting posted? I know of MANY St. Norbert fans/staff who have asked me, especially this weekend, "What the (heck) has happened to USCHO?" I didn't have much of an answer.
I can understand not linking recaps from regular-season games, but any NCAA tournament game (there are a whopping TEN of them spready this year over 18 days) should be posted as soon as copy gets sent in to the home office. There is no excuse for it not being nearly real time or waiting for a D-1 editor to have to post it.
I don't want to sound unappreciative of USCHO, because it has been great to D-3 and especially St. Norbert through the years. But in the 2009-10-11 stretch you can't deny the coverage has been weak enough to merit taking shots from those who follow the division religiously.
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Derek Dunning
Women's Division III Correspondent
Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
This is incorrect. You and I were in contact this season a couple of times for matters relating to the St. Norbert women's coverage on USCHO
I also talked with Coach Morgan on a couple of occassions as well.
This is incorrect. You and I were in contact this season a couple of times for matters relating to the St. Norbert women's coverage on USCHO
I also talked with Coach Morgan on a couple of occassions as well.
Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
I notice that there was a direct link from the front page of the DI section for every one of the regional games played this weekend. Guess those games are more "special" for DI fans than the games in the DIII tournament were for DIII fans.
The rest of the season in DIII, recaps of games have happened basically in the blogs or columns of the DIII columnists, for which there have been links to their stories/blogs. Why would we ( or I) think to look anywhere but the front page for a link to games in the NCAA tournament?
It just makes the site hard to navigate. I'm just trying to understand what is going on here.
I notice that there was a direct link from the front page of the DI section for every one of the regional games played this weekend. Guess those games are more "special" for DI fans than the games in the DIII tournament were for DIII fans.
The rest of the season in DIII, recaps of games have happened basically in the blogs or columns of the DIII columnists, for which there have been links to their stories/blogs. Why would we ( or I) think to look anywhere but the front page for a link to games in the NCAA tournament?
It just makes the site hard to navigate. I'm just trying to understand what is going on here.
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Re: NCAA championship weekend coverage
I figure I'll post one more time before leaving this thread. But here is what I will say:
1) We have FIVE D-III men's writers contributing weekly columns on a wide variety of topics. They also contribute weekend blog recaps on Mondays and picks on Friday. That was a new structure this season, and it was an adjustment, but I wanted more regular writing from the columnists. Those were linked the same way as the men's D-I columns. Unless they were late, they were published and linked from the D-III front page on Thursday night. The blog entries were found under the blog part of the D-III front page, though in February, in an effort to drive more traffic there, I started linking them directly from a slide on the front page. Note that that is NOT done on the men's D-I side at all. Note also that the five D-III writers is the exact same number as the men's D-I, which generates a lot more traffic to our site.
2) I did not get one e-mail from anybody who is complaining, or frankly anybody at all, asking me to write recaps or features on D-III hockey this season. I assigned a few features to my columnists, and encouraged them to write more, and with the first season of the new format in, I figure that will expand next season. If you want more recaps, put up or shut up. E-mail me and ask.
3) I am not only the D-III editor, but the women's editor for D-I and D-III. That is the position. I had admittedly somewhat limited experience with D-III hockey, but much more with women's. My D-III knowledge dated back to the 80s when I was at Holy Cross and my school played a D-III schedule. I traveled with the team as a stats girl sometimes, and I remember the cold-as-hell rink in Norwich, as well as the rocking atmosphere at Bowdoin.
5) We had a Minnesota beat writer and photographer in Minneapolis ready to cover the FF and I think they did a good job. The championship coverage was posted same day. Due to a variety of factors with timing and editing, the semifinal coverage didn't go up until the next morning.
6) Matt, you have no idea what went on in St. Louis. With the CCHA now without a commissioner due to the BTHC/MSU thing, the whole event was run very poorly, and it was a struggle to get info a timely matter. In fact, there was no all-tournament team announced, or even voted on. We struggled with poor Internet connectivity, interview requests, rude ushers who didn't know what was going on, delays in getting interviews with players, and more. I can tell you that on Friday, we didn't get back to the hotel until close to 2 a.m.
I figure I'll post one more time before leaving this thread. But here is what I will say:
1) We have FIVE D-III men's writers contributing weekly columns on a wide variety of topics. They also contribute weekend blog recaps on Mondays and picks on Friday. That was a new structure this season, and it was an adjustment, but I wanted more regular writing from the columnists. Those were linked the same way as the men's D-I columns. Unless they were late, they were published and linked from the D-III front page on Thursday night. The blog entries were found under the blog part of the D-III front page, though in February, in an effort to drive more traffic there, I started linking them directly from a slide on the front page. Note that that is NOT done on the men's D-I side at all. Note also that the five D-III writers is the exact same number as the men's D-I, which generates a lot more traffic to our site.
2) I did not get one e-mail from anybody who is complaining, or frankly anybody at all, asking me to write recaps or features on D-III hockey this season. I assigned a few features to my columnists, and encouraged them to write more, and with the first season of the new format in, I figure that will expand next season. If you want more recaps, put up or shut up. E-mail me and ask.
3) I am not only the D-III editor, but the women's editor for D-I and D-III. That is the position. I had admittedly somewhat limited experience with D-III hockey, but much more with women's. My D-III knowledge dated back to the 80s when I was at Holy Cross and my school played a D-III schedule. I traveled with the team as a stats girl sometimes, and I remember the cold-as-hell rink in Norwich, as well as the rocking atmosphere at Bowdoin.
5) We had a Minnesota beat writer and photographer in Minneapolis ready to cover the FF and I think they did a good job. The championship coverage was posted same day. Due to a variety of factors with timing and editing, the semifinal coverage didn't go up until the next morning.
6) Matt, you have no idea what went on in St. Louis. With the CCHA now without a commissioner due to the BTHC/MSU thing, the whole event was run very poorly, and it was a struggle to get info a timely matter. In fact, there was no all-tournament team announced, or even voted on. We struggled with poor Internet connectivity, interview requests, rude ushers who didn't know what was going on, delays in getting interviews with players, and more. I can tell you that on Friday, we didn't get back to the hotel until close to 2 a.m.