Movies! The Last Jedi: Ragnarok

[Kepler]

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I dont think you need to put that in white...that is in the trailer.

I avoid trailers -- I hate what they give away.

 

[mookie1995]

I avoid trailers -- I hate what they give away.

Though some movies those 3 minutes are all you need

 

[Kepler]

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Though some movies those 3 minutes are all you need

In most comedies they are the only decent jokes in the movie.

 

[Handyman]

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So Disney bought Fox...outside of the obvious Nerdgasm some will have because now the X-Men and Fantastic Four will be merged in the MCU I dont see anything good about this deal at all. The fact that Disney will now own the Fox Sports Regional Networks pretty much guarantees they will become trash just like ESPN so a lot of the sports I watch will be hurt which really annoys me.

The only good thing about this deal is that Disney will most likely release the Original Star Wars trilogy without the Lucas additions. Other than that I hate stuff like this.

 

[Kepler]

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The fact that Disney will now own the Fox Sports Regional Networks pretty much guarantees they will become trash just like ESPN so a lot of the sports I watch will be hurt which really annoys me.

Maybe it's just the opposite. Maybe they realize that ESPN is irredeemable garbage and they will use the new acquisitions to phase it out. The problem with ESPN is that while it's the Lawrence Welk of sports it's still ludicrously overburdened with cost -- it's the 1988 Islanders, impossible to unload all those commitments. So they bought themselves a useful, dynamic property for future growth, and meanwhile they can keep the Hannity-for-Sports aging ESPN install base, put absolutely zero new money or effort into it (in fact keep slashing away at costs in Bristol), and suck the souring milk from those aging, sagging teats til they're empty.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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It’s also possible they just rebrand it. I’m a little scared about what that means for cordcutters. If you don’t want to pay for ESPN but you do want the local fox sports, you can get that on a number of providers. If they repackage Fox Sports North as ESPN North, it might just be a tier two package of ESPN.

 

[Kepler]

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It’s also possible they just rebrand it. I’m a little scared about what that means for cordcutters. If you don’t want to pay for ESPN but you do want the local fox sports, you can get that on a number of providers. If they repackage Fox Sports North as ESPN North, it might just be a tier two package of ESPN.

Worse they just eliminated a competitor so they can rape the customer some more.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I’m not sure it’s a competitor though. Fox Sports 1 is a competitor. Fox Sports North and the other local channels just don’t broadcast the same stuff as ESPN.

 

[Kepler]

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I’m not sure it’s a competitor though. Fox Sports 1 is a competitor. Fox Sports North and the other local channels just don’t broadcast the same stuff as ESPN.

I thought Satan Mouse bought it all.

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[Handyman]

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No they didnt buy FS1, FS2 Big Ten or Fox News. I am pretty sure they couldnt or they would run into issues in Federal Court. I know Big Ten would have caused issues since ESPN has the rights to Big Ten games not on BTN.

This is definitely going to hurt regional broadcasts though and my guess is hockey takes it in the shorts even harder now. (The Mouse is all in on basketball)

On top of that though I just see this as bad for movies in general. Whats next, after ATT buys Warners they then go after CBS/Viacom? Is NBC/Universal/Comcast gonna merge with Sony? This is getting out of control and they will completely control the marketplace.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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No they didnt buy FS1, FS2 Big Ten or Fox News. I am pretty sure they couldnt or they would run into issues in Federal Court. I know Big Ten would have caused issues since ESPN has the rights to Big Ten games not on BTN.

This is definitely going to hurt regional broadcasts though and my guess is hockey takes it in the shorts even harder now. (The Mouse is all in on basketball)

On top of that though I just see this as bad for movies in general. Whats next, after ATT buys Warners they then go after CBS/Viacom? Is NBC/Universal/Comcast gonna merge with Sony? This is getting out of control and they will completely control the marketplace.

So, they bought all the Fox Regional Networks but not Fox Sports? Weird. Why would Fox Sports sell off their regional stuff and not the whole enchilada?

 

[Handyman]

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So, they bought all the Fox Regional Networks but not Fox Sports? Weird. Why would Fox Sports sell off their regional stuff and not the whole enchilada?

I am guessing they couldnt. It probably strayed too close to a monopoly and would give Disney too much bargaining power over the cable networks when it comes to sports broadcasting. Plus Fox needs to keep something out of the deal besides Faux News.

Remember currently The Trumpers are trying to block the ATT/Time Warner merger and this deal is going to be massive even just having the studios/tv merge. If this deal is too much they risk it falling through as well.

Also of note, Disney will own a controlling stock in Hulu...which means that will most likely be spun into the new Disney Streaming station.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I am guessing they couldnt. It probably strayed too close to a monopoly and would give Disney too much bargaining power over the cable networks when it comes to sports broadcasting. Plus Fox needs to keep something out of the deal besides Faux News.

Remember currently The Trumpers are trying to block the ATT/Time Warner merger and this deal is going to be massive even just having the studios/tv merge. If this deal is too much they risk it falling through as well.

Also of note, Disney will own a controlling stock in Hulu...which means that will most likely be spun into the new Disney Streaming station.

So, since Fox Sports still exists Fox Sports North will become some other name under Disney I'm guessing?

 

[Handyman]

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So, since Fox Sports still exists Fox Sports North will become some other name under Disney I'm guessing?

It would seem. My guess, and this is just because I find Disney branding to be rather weak, they will just flip it to ESPN Regional or ESPN Midwest. Just like when Fox bought out the regional networks like MSC and rebranded them "FSN".

If I was The Wild or any other hockey team I would be looking to get find a new home ASAP because ABC/ESPN doesnt care anything for hockey unless it is the Mighty Ducks on Disney Channel :/ Gopher Hockey on BTN is going to go from reviled by the GPL crowd to beloved within a few years cause that will be the only network showing them.

But hey Scooby, at least your universes will merge so I am excited for you fans for that. (my buddy is pumped) Since one of the things I prefer about the X-Men films is how different they are from MCU films it sucks for me but I am also in the major minority so I am happy for everyone else.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It would seem. My guess, and this is just because I find Disney branding to be rather weak, they will just flip it to ESPN Regional or ESPN Midwest. Just like when Fox bought out the regional networks like MSC and rebranded them "FSN".

If I was The Wild or any other hockey team I would be looking to get find a new home ASAP because ABC/ESPN doesnt care anything for hockey unless it is the Mighty Ducks on Disney Channel :/

But hey Scooby, at least your universes will merge so I am excited for you fans for that. (my buddy is pumped) Since one of the things I prefer about the X-Men films is how different they are from MCU films it sucks for me but I am also in the major minority so I am happy for everyone else.

Not sure it mattered much to me. I was happier when Marvel was going to use The Inhumans to destroy the X-Men. Then they instead made The Inhumans their DC characters and utterly destroyed them.

As long as Wolverine is the face of the X-Men I will always hate them. Wolverine is the dullest character ever. Unfortunately there are some things I do love about the X-Men. Like the original team. Jean Grey, Phoenix, Binary, and Nightcrawler. Gambit. So, I can't throw them all out. I just hate Wolverine with the heat of a thousand suns.

 

[Handyman]

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Not sure it mattered much to me. I was happier when Marvel was going to use The Inhumans to destroy the X-Men. Then they instead made The Inhumans their DC characters and utterly destroyed them.

As long as Wolverine is the face of the X-Men I will always hate them. Wolverine is the dullest character ever. Unfortunately there are some things I do love about the X-Men. Like the original team. Jean Grey, Phoenix, Binary, and Nightcrawler. Gambit. So, I can't throw them all out. I just hate Wolverine with the heat of a thousand suns.

Hehe...I knew I liked you

 

[Kepler]

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Not sure it mattered much to me. I was happier when Marvel was going to use The Inhumans to destroy the X-Men. Then they instead made The Inhumans their DC characters and utterly destroyed them.

As long as Wolverine is the face of the X-Men I will always hate them. Wolverine is the dullest character ever. Unfortunately there are some things I do love about the X-Men. Like the original team. Jean Grey, Phoenix, Binary, and Nightcrawler. Gambit. So, I can't throw them all out. I just hate Wolverine with the heat of a thousand suns.

I thought Logan was Wolverine's curtain call and Jackman is mercifully being sent to the glue factory? They played it for all the overheated pathos they could squeeze out of it but now it should be played out and they should be promoting other characters and stories.

Remember too: they needed to usher in the age of this new cash cow the comic book movie, so they did it with drecky, lazy themes that appeal to adolescents -- the doomed hero, the mawkish Knight Errant -- old wine that Hollywood is always decanting into new bottles from epics to war movies to noir to counter culture to ordinary people dramas to snotty vocal fry millenials. It's all the the same crap when you get a genre started.

THEN, after establishment, you get a wave of reaction and elaboration. The writing gets more original and smarter and the formulaic plots and characters start to open up. In a word, a subgenre develops worth viewing by smart people.

I assume now that we are nearly through the initial horrible phase of comic book movies that we are going to get some really good, thoughtful ones. There will still be a ton of swill for the masses, but it won't all be that anymore. Heck, we already got Deadpool as an appetizer.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I thought that last movie was Wolverine's curtain call? They played it for all the overheated pathos they could squeeze out of it but now it should be played out and they should be promoting other characters and stories.

Remember too: they needed to usher in the age of this new cash cow the comic book movie, so they did it with familiar, drecky themes (the doomed hero, the mawkish Knight Errant, old wine that Hollywood is always decanting into new bottles from epics to war movies to noir to counter culture to ordinary people dramas to snotty vocal fry millenials. it's all the the same crap when you get a genre started.

THEN, after establishment, you get a wave of reaction and elaboration. The writing gets more original and smarter and the formulaic plots and characters start to open up. In a word, a subgenre develops worth viewing by smart people.

I assume now that we are nearly through the initial horrible phase of comic book movies that we are going to get some really good, thoughtful ones. There will still be a ton of swill for the masses, but it won't all be that anymore. Heck, we already got Deadpool as an appetizer.

Now that Disney is taking over is gives them the perfect opportunity to reboot everything and start with Wolverine all over again. Remember the current FOX product is NOT MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe) because Marvel did not have creative control over it.

EDIT: Only good thing I see is if they do end up doing the Phoenix Saga next it'll be done right this time instead of having FOX screw it up.

 

[Kepler]

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Now that Disney is taking over is gives them the perfect opportunity to reboot everything and start with Wolverine all over again. Remember the current FOX product is NOT MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe) because Marvel did not have creative control over it.

Disney isn't stupid, though. Look at their animation: while they have been telling ONE story for 75 years, they have bent it back upon itself so many times they produce Masamune swords now. Those movies are not good, they are great, and they work for everyone from an 8-year old to a Mrs. Average Homemaker to a film studies PhD. Disney's problems, which are legion and which will no doubt someday engulf the entire cosmos, do not include quality: their work is outstanding, beautiful, thoughtful, not cloying despite the obvious tight rope walk over that chasm, and always highly original within the form. They're like Racine, constantly elaborating within the strict rules of the three unities.

I can't think of a better recipe for artistic, brilliant comic book movies.

 

[Handyman]

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Now that Disney is taking over is gives them the perfect opportunity to reboot everything and start with Wolverine all over again. Remember the current FOX product is NOT MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe) because Marvel did not have creative control over it.

EDIT: Only good thing I see is if they do end up doing the Phoenix Saga next it'll be done right this time instead of having FOX screw it up.

I dont think your last point is true...since it already started production. (they have already been releasing production shots) Unless they plan to delay it that movie is going forward with the Kilburg script. My guess is Disney will have input but not much else unless something goes majorly wrong.