MOVIES: New Ideas Welcome!

[Slap Shot]

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Hey now I love Louis! You and Kepler can eat a bag of dicks!

Should I suck on them and toss 'em in a bowl like edamame?

 

[joecct]

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The Road to Perdition book is on sale at Amazon for 99 cents

 

[Handyman]

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Should I suck on them and toss 'em in a bowl like edamame?

Seeing Louis live is amazing. Sitting there, half drunk as he does Of Course, But Maybe not knowing how far he will go is an experience I cant even really properly describe. The crowd was simultaneously ready to die laughing and scream bloody murder!

 

[The Rube]

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Louis' bit on his 4 year old daughter is genius. Pure genius. And truth.

Clockwork Orange was......interesting. I cannot say it was great. Although I'll never hear "Singing In The Rain" the same way ever again.

Citizen Kane is a movie that I always heard was a movie-maker's movie, and it's boring as f*. So I may see it someday, but it's hardly on my list of "next to watch."

Edit: Louis bit, NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaIFgse4Hw

 

[The Rube]

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Rope:

It was discussed earlier in the thread. It was well done, quite a different approach compared to Compulsion. Recommend both.

 

[The Rube]

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American Psycho is commentary on the 80s businessman, the mania involved with what was going on at the time. Natural Born Killers, which I've never fully seen, is supposed to be commentary on the sensationalizing of this or that in the media, IIRC.

To add, not really a spoiler, but a VERY insightful moment into the NBK movie (NSFW):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9rssz6tIE

 

[Kepler]

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CK is about as exciting as a lecture about 12th Century Mongolian Economies on a Saturday morning without any coffee

I would so do that.

What do you think of The Lady from Shanghai? It's got practically the same cast and they still use big words but it's a much more traditional drama.

Anti-intellectualism is every bit as boring as pretentiousness. Also, I'm not sure where you draw the line? is Hamlet pretentious? Is the Bible? The need to vandalize what you can't understand goes all the way back to Attila.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I would so do that.

What do you think of The Lady from Shanghai? It's got practically the same cast and they still use big words but it's a much more traditional drama.

Anti-intellectualism is every bit as boring as pretentiousness. Also, I'm not sure where you draw the line? is Hamlet pretentious? Is the Bible? The need to vandalize what you can't understand goes all the way back to Attila.

Not without coffee I wouldn't. That's madness.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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I would go check out a lecture on 12th Century Mongolian economics. The mongols were fascinating, and I think I'd find it very interesting. Would probably have caffeine though, because I have caffeine every morning.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I would so do that.

What do you think of The Lady from Shanghai? It's got practically the same cast and they still use big words but it's a much more traditional drama.

Anti-intellectualism is every bit as boring as pretentiousness. Also, I'm not sure where you draw the line? is Hamlet pretentious? Is the Bible? The need to vandalize what you can't understand goes all the way back to Attila.

He called CK "self-indulgent". Well, duh - it was written, produced, and directed by its own star. Besides, what does he call posting his opinions on an Internet message board every day?

It's a film everyone should see once, but that doesn't mean you have to love it. Like I said, I personally think it's a little overrated, but the basic message is good.

 

[Kepler]

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He called CK "self-indulgent". Well, duh - it was written, produced, and directed by its own star. Besides, what does he call posting his opinions on an Internet message board every day?

It's a film everyone should see once, but that doesn't mean you have to love it. Like I said, I personally think it's a little overrated, but the basic message is good.

I'm blown away that he was in his 20s when he did it. Welles didn't live up to his potential for a career, but in that movie he did great things up and down the line. Welles did have a great line describing his career arc: "I went from being Hamlet to being Falstaff."

I don't actually think most people should watch it until their 30s or 40s, at least men. Especially since small screens have reduced attention spans it is extremely hard for most people now to really get into old films. But once you do, it's an incredibly target rich environment.

Also, yes, CK is the most self-indulgent movie ever made, which plays well with the central premise of the character and story as well. It's intentional. γνῶθι σεαυτόν.

 

[Handyman]

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I would so do that.

What do you think of The Lady from Shanghai? It's got practically the same cast and they still use big words but it's a much more traditional drama.

Anti-intellectualism is every bit as boring as pretentiousness. Also, I'm not sure where you draw the line? is Hamlet pretentious? Is the Bible? The need to vandalize what you can't understand goes all the way back to Attila.

It isnt the big words that bug me about CK...the script itself is fine though very dry. It is the way the movie is shot, the artistic choices that were made that bored me to tears. It reminds me of the type of crap film students make thinking they are the next Scorsese. They try too hard...

Like I said I get why others (especially critics/geeks) think it is a masterpiece. It was way ahead of its time and groundbreaking. I just felt like it was flat that is all. I am sure if I saw it 40 years ago I would think it was amazing.

Just because I rip on people who talk above the crowd doesnt mean I dont understand what they are saying...it just means I think they are wasting their breathe

 

[Handyman]

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Not without coffee I wouldn't. That's madness.

That was why I added that part...I would probably check it out as well but I am getting a large depth charge on my way in

 

[Handyman]

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He called CK "self-indulgent". Well, duh - it was written, produced, and directed by its own star. Besides, what does he call posting his opinions on an Internet message board every day?

It's a film everyone should see once, but that doesn't mean you have to love it. Like I said, I personally think it's a little overrated, but the basic message is good.

Aint nobody calling my posts a masterpiece

 

[Kepler]

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It isnt the big words that bug me about CK...the script itself is fine though very dry. It is the way the movie is shot, the artistic choices that were made that bored me to tears. It reminds me of the type of crap film students make thinking they are the next Scorsese. They try too hard...

But that's because they're all copying it! It's like saying "I hate Petrarch -- the sonnet rhyme scheme is so cliche." It's cliche because people have been copying him for 600 years, but he was original and fresh!

Pretentiousness is taking what was once a fresh idea and just retooling it, but the originators are the very opposite of that. You don't have to like it of course, but it isn't "crap." Not everything we dislike is "crap." I don't understand or get ballet at all, but I can at least recognize that it's of value, especially given how for many people it's a joyful, illuminating experience.

Of course, even pioneers can go to seed...

 

[Handyman]

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Jesus I said I get what was groundbreaking about it. (I took a film class I have heard plenty) Not everything that is groundbreaking is enjoyable. Like I said, if I had seen it before the new era of movies and technology I would probably think it is amazing but I didnt, and I dont.

You know why I called it a snoozefest, because I literally fell asleep watching it. Then I woke up and it is still going

If you want me to write an essay on the technique of movie making I will give it rave reviews. If you want my opinion of whether I LIKED those techniques or I found the movie enjoyable I wouldnt. I dont think that is any sort of an affront to the rest of the movie making world.

 

[Kepler]

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Jesus I said I get what was groundbreaking about it. (I took a film class I have heard plenty) Not everything that is groundbreaking is enjoyable. Like I said, if I had seen it before the new era of movies and technology I would probably think it is amazing but I didnt, and I dont.

You know why I called it a snoozefest, because I literally fell asleep watching it. Then I woke up and it is still going

If you want me to write an essay on the technique of movie making I will give it rave reviews. If you want my opinion of whether I LIKED those techniques or I found the movie enjoyable I wouldnt. I dont think that is any sort of an affront to the rest of the movie making world.

If you're saying you didn't like it, no problem. But if you're saying "it sucks" that just makes you an idiot. I don't particularly enjoy the Beatles, but I know they don't "suck."

 

[Slap Shot]

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Kep - to be fair you think any movie made pre-1955 is worthy of an automatic 2*, and whether or not it earns 3 or 4 depends upon how nihilistic or quixotic it was.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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That was why I added that part...I would probably check it out as well but I am getting a large depth charge on my way in

I just like to have coffee in all of my meetings. It serves three purposes:
1. It's warm (or cold in the summer!) and coffee is good
2. It provides caffeine
3. If someone is being a moron, I can throw it at them

 

[Kepler]

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Kep - to be fair you think any movie made pre-1955 is worthy of an automatic 2*, and whether or not it earns 3 or 4 depends upon how nihilistic or quixotic it was.

That's not quite true. Most of the truly terrible pre-50s movies have been lost (truly lost -- the film stock itself has long since deteriorated). Rest assured there were just as many awful early movies as there are now, but time has done us all a favor.

But I will admit I love black and white, and I really love the more erudite, faster dialog of early movies. The vast majority of today's movies rely so much on special effects, trick photography, and hamfisted music cues to manipulate our trained seal audiences that there's neither the talent nor inclination to write even decent dialog. If you listen to the dialog of even the most popular movies from the 30s and 40s the writing is miles above even today's best.