Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

[Handyman]

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This will not be a popular opinion...and trust me it is not one I want to have...but the Star Wars trailer did almost nothing for me. Di$ney finally did it...they watered down Star Wars to the point it just doesnt feel special anymore. I will see it, and will hope I am wrong but I just dont have high hopes.

 

[solovsfett]

This will not be a popular opinion...and trust me it is not one I want to have...but the Star Wars trailer did almost nothing for me. Di$ney finally did it...they watered down Star Wars to the point it just doesnt feel special anymore. I will see it, and will hope I am wrong but I just dont have high hopes.

I’m glad you said this. I posted on fb after the trailer tonight that prior to TFA and TLJ I was jacked but now i’m Meh, at best. I’ll see it but i’m just not excited about it. I don’t know what it is really. Maybe the story line? Joker knocked me on my *** and The Irishman certainly sounds like it will do the same but EP 9 almost feel like it will be a chore.

I’m guessing the GOT guys movies will destroy these sequels. That’s my only hope for the Star Wars franchise.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I’m glad you said this. I posted on fb after the trailer tonight that prior to TFA and TLJ I was jacked but now i’m Meh, at best. I’ll see it but i’m just not excited about it. I don’t know what it is really. Maybe the story line? Joker knocked me on my *** and The Irishman certainly sounds like it will do the same but EP 9 almost feel like it will be a chore.

I’m guessing the GOT guys movies will destroy these sequels. That’s my only hope for the Star Wars franchise.

You mean the same guys who destroyed GOT?

Trailer was great as far as I was concerned. So glad to be in the minority that thought The Last Jedi was the best of bunch. I'm hoping the idiots that thought otherwise didn't cause them to screw this one up too bad. So far doesn't look like they did.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Lol

 

[St. Clown]

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You mean the same guys who destroyed GOT?

Trailer was great as far as I was concerned. So glad to be in the minority that thought The Last Jedi was the best of bunch. I'm hoping the idiots that thought otherwise didn't cause them to screw this one up too bad. So far doesn't look like they did.

I was thinking of the GoT guys as the ones who absolutlely nailed 7 seasons, and then simply messed up the pacing of season 8 because they were excited to move onto Star Wars, even though they still took GoT to its most logical conclusion when you think about or re-watch the events of prior seasons.

 

[aparch]

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I've had XM Comedy Central radio on the last couple days in my work truck, and they are *heavily* promoting the new Tragi-Rom-Com "Last Christmas" during their commecial breaks.

But, from the radio ad, I haven't figured out if it's completely a slightly dark humor rom-com or if there is a thriller/suspense portion to it, because under the awkward sound bites from the film, they play a haunting acapella version of 'Last Christmas' song by the star Emilia Clarke, almost in a minor-ish key. And then a haunting piano plinks a few notes from the verse after she sings.

From the trailer, it looks sorta "Serendipity"-ish. Kinda hoping for an interesting twist in this one.

*Edit* Apparently I'm not the only one hoping for a shock twist!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I was thinking of the GoT guys as the ones who absolutlely nailed 7 seasons, and then simply messed up the pacing of season 8 because they were excited to move onto Star Wars, even though they still took GoT to its most logical conclusion when you think about or re-watch the events of prior seasons.

No question they nailed the first 7 seasons. But, if you don't stick the landing your score drops considerably. Logical conclusion? Not in my mind. Most boring conclusion? Yes. Well, I still say 1 of the conclusions was fantastic and ok. But, the second conclusion brings a dumpster fire to mind immediately for me.

 

[St. Clown]

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No question they nailed the first 7 seasons. But, if you don't stick the landing your score drops considerably. Logical conclusion? Not in my mind. Most boring conclusion? Yes. Well, I still say 1 of the conclusions was fantastic and ok. But, the second conclusion brings a dumpster fire to mind immediately for me.

Because you wouldn't be Scooby otherwise, Eeyore.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Because you wouldn't be Scooby otherwise, Eeyore.

No one who watched that ending loved it. No one.

 

[St. Clown]

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No one who watched that ending loved it. No one.

I didn't love the final season at all; I just said that it was the logical conclusion. How they got to that conclusion was not well paced, and certain events happened too early or simply out of order altogether.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I didn't love the final season at all; I just said that it was the logical conclusion. How they got to that conclusion was not well paced, and certain events happened too early or simply out of order altogether.

Logical conclusion is your opinion. There (as always) were an infinite number of ways to write the ending. They decided to bore the tears out of everyone and throw out (shock value) the most important thing they had done for television.

The political ending was garbage. Thank God the supernatural ending was fine.

 

[solovsfett]

You mean the same guys who destroyed GOT?

Trailer was great as far as I was concerned. So glad to be in the minority that thought The Last Jedi was the best of bunch. I'm hoping the idiots that thought otherwise didn't cause them to screw this one up too bad. So far doesn't look like they did.

Well, i’m Guessing they’re in their wheelhouse writing about the old republic or events 3-4 centuries prior to A New Hope.

I can’t pinpoint an exact reason for my Star Wars malaise. I loved TFA and Rogue One. Thought TLJ was good but repeated viewings have cause me to change my mind. Good ideas executed poorly with no thought to overall cohesion with any of the prior 7 movies in the arc.

But props on Kylo’s story arc and Yoda showing Luke once again that he can’t see the forest for the trees. In that regard, Luke’s attitude makes perfect sense.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Well, i’m Guessing they’re in their wheelhouse writing about the old republic or events 3-4 centuries prior to A New Hope.

I can’t pinpoint an exact reason for my Star Wars malaise. I loved TFA and Rogue One. Thought TLJ was good but repeated viewings have cause me to change my mind. Good ideas executed poorly with no thought to overall cohesion with any of the prior 7 movies in the arc.

But props on Kylo’s story arc and Yoda showing Luke once again that he can’t see the forest for the trees. In that regard, Luke’s attitude makes perfect sense.

I thought there was a lot of cohesion myself. It's all about Rey for me and I am loving her story.

 

[Handyman]

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And see I hate Kylo Ren...not in the "Oh he is a bad guy I hate him!" way but more "why am I supposed to believe this whiny man-child is bada** enough to be a menace to anyone?" kind of way. He is awful, and his storyline sucks. And without a strong villain stories like this wont work.

The rest of the "Hey look these guys are like the original cast only younger!" group dont much interest me either. Oscar Isaac is loved by all genre fans for some reason (much like Michael Fassbender) but good lord I cannot stand him. We get it, you want him to be Han Solo...he isnt so please stop.

The visuals look awesome and I kinda want to know how they fix the mess they made of Rey's story but the rest...meh.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Handy you sound like Scooby talking about the Wild. At least he has reason to mourn those sorry effers.

I certainly don't have as much invested in SW beyond the movies as many fans, but imho that trailer looked very encouraging. They may or may not screw up the story, but at the very least it looks like they will go out with the most appealing and audacious episode visually speaking and outside of the wasted love interest of 8 I've enjoyed this new set of characters.

And this comes from someone that really did not like VII and VIII.

 

[Handyman]

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Handy you sound like Scooby talking about the Wild. At least he has reason to mourn those sorry effers.

I certainly don't have as much invested in SW beyond the movies as many fans, but imho that trailer looked very encouraging. They may or may not screw up the story, but at the very least it looks like they will go out with the most appealing and audacious episode visually speaking and outside of the wasted love interest of 8 I've enjoyed this new set of characters.

And this comes from someone that really did not like VII and VIII.

I didnt have a reason to not like the last film and think the trailer looks awful? Ok Roger Ebert thanks...

You can like the trailer and so can Scooby...why does that mean I have to? Aspects of the previous story has soured me on it so the visual spectacle isnt enough. That is just how I feel about it.

I never said anyone had to agree with me on it (I even said it will be an unpopular opinion) but my opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. Dont like it...ignore it it is no skin off my nose man.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I didnt have a reason to not like the last film and think the trailer looks awful? Ok Roger Ebert thanks...

You can like the trailer and so can Scooby...why does that mean I have to?

I never said anyone had to agree with me on it (I even said it will be an unpopular opinion) but my opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. Dont like it...ignore it it is no skin off my nose man.

Actually from my experiences on the Interwebs your opinion will be the popular one, not mine.

 

[Handyman]

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Actually from my experiences on the Interwebs your opinion will be the popular one, not mine.

Not likely...TLJ is divisive but this film wont be. JJ will make sure of it. This will be his Return of the Jedi only probably without the stupid Ewoks JJ is a crowdpleasing type of director (which is why every Superman fan is excited he signed that deal with WB and he is all over the rumors for the reboot) so he will do what he can to try smooth over the divide.

I am glad you liked TLJ, I wish I agreed with you. I REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY wanted to. I still give Rian all sorts of credit for trying to go a different way but it wasnt my thing. I never begrudge someone loving it though. Who knows, maybe if JJ makes this a good film it will fix what I hated about TLJ so the arch itself is better. It doesnt always happen but it does from time to time.

Either way this will probably be my last SW film. Rogue One and Solo soured me on the "Star Wars Extended Universe" and I dont much care about non Skywalker stories. (the D+ stuff means little to me) Much like the Star Trek reboot it just isnt for me. (though I do watch Discovery and will watch Picard but those are normal Trek stuff not JJ Reboot) I hope it all finds an audience though and I hope those that are interested love every second of it.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Not likely...TLJ is divisive but this film wont be. JJ will make sure of it. .

That's my worry. Rian finally said enough of this **** and did something different. Exciting.

 

[St. Clown]

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And see I hate Kylo Ren...not in the "Oh he is a bad guy I hate him!" way but more "why am I supposed to believe this whiny man-child is bada** enough to be a menace to anyone?" kind of way. He is awful, and his storyline sucks. And without a strong villain stories like this wont work.

The rest of the "Hey look these guys are like the original cast only younger!" group dont much interest me either. Oscar Isaac is loved by all genre fans for some reason (much like Michael Fassbender) but good lord I cannot stand him. We get it, you want him to be Han Solo...he isnt so please stop.

The visuals look awesome and I kinda want to know how they fix the mess they made of Rey's story but the rest...meh.

I like Kylo Ren because he demonstrates nicely the immaturity needed for the lure of the Dark Side. He has a ****-ton of power in the Force (stopping a laser bolt in mid-air to open The Force Awakens), but he never really learned how to be an emotionally stable person or the virtues generally assigned the Jedi.