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Movie Thread: Grab Some Popcorn, Enjoy The Show

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In anticipation of the new Star Wars release one of my fave Bill Murray bits (a la the lounge singer):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53DQgbj2mIc

unofan - I saw the entirety of Einstein &... Agreed it's nothing monumental but I enjoyed it and better yet it was a story I knew nothing about.
 
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OK, I know on one level that people who complain about continuity lapses in sci-fi movies can be annoying....at the same time, for a franchise as high profile as the Star Wars saga has been, one might expect them to pay a bit more attention to it.

In the just-released trailer, a Sith Lord looks at a burnt-out skull with a Vader-style helmet on it and vows "I will finish what you started."

Yet at the end of Return of the Jedi they cremated Vader's body. Does this mean that the skull didn't burn down to ashes? that someone from The Dark Side stole Vader's skull from Endor after the cremation ceremony? that dramatic license >> any quibbles over continuity issues?

OCD minds want to know!
 
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FreshFish said:
OK, I know on one level that people who complain about continuity lapses in sci-fi movies can be annoying....at the same time, for a franchise as high profile as the Star Wars saga has been, one might expect them to pay a bit more attention to it.

In the just-released trailer, a Sith Lord looks at a burnt-out skull with a Vader-style helmet on it and vows "I will finish what you started."

Yet at the end of Return of the Jedi they cremated Vader's body. Does this mean that the skull didn't burn down to ashes? that someone from The Dark Side stole Vader's skull from Endor after the cremation ceremony? that dramatic license >> any quibbles over continuity issues?

OCD minds want to know!
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It's not Vader's skull, it's the mask to his armor. His actual face/skull don't look like the partially melted artifact that you saw during the clip.
 
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St. Clown said:
It's not Vader's skull, it's the mask to his armor. His actual face/skull don't look like the partially melted artifact that you saw during the clip.
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Yeah the helmet melted a little but it isn't going to fully dissolve/cremate like the body would.
 
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FreshFish said:
Fair enough....that still would mean that someone raided the cremation site to retrieve it, no?
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Quite possible. The empire isn't going to dissolve overnight, and I imagine it had quite a cult of personality.
 
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French Rage said:
Quite possible. The empire isn't going to dissolve overnight, and I imagine it had quite a cult of personality.
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Star Wars has released a series of books which are officially listed as canon, though it's only going to cover events on the peripheries, certainly nothing serious that the average movie consumer would lose for a viewing experience. With that said, there is a cult of Sith acolytes forming in one of the books who are collecting any and all artifacts they could find related to Vader. (Palpatine hid the fact that he was also Sith from all but a few of his aides, for political reasons.)
 
St. Clown said:
Star Wars has released a series of books which are officially listed as canon, though it's only going to cover events on the peripheries, certainly nothing serious that the average movie consumer would lose for a viewing experience. With that said, there is a cult of Sith acolytes forming in one of the books who are collecting any and all artifacts they could find related to Vader. (Palpatine hid the fact that he was also Sith from all but a few of his aides, for political reasons.)
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The books are no longer canon. Disney retconned them when it bought the rights from Lucas. The books are now considered "extended mythology" or something like that, which they may borrow from if the rights to the new (non-movie) characters are cheap enough, but it's said it will not be bound by them in any way.

The only thing considered canon anymore are the movies and the Clone Wars animated crap.
 
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unofan said:
The books are no longer canon. Disney retconned them when it bought the rights from Lucas. The books are now considered "extended mythology" or something like that, which they may borrow from if the rights to the new characters are cheap enough, but it's said it will not be bound by them in any way.
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New books released after September 2014 are canon. All books released prior to then have been moved into that mythology status and have a "Legends" banner attached to them.

The book with the cult of Sith-onality was released four weeks ago, is called Star Wars Aftermath: Journey to the Force Awakens. There are a subset of recently released books that have the Journey subtitle. One of them even tells you the name of the crashed Star Destroyer we keep seeing in the trailers.
 
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New books released after September 2014 are canon. All books released prior to then have been moved into that mythology status and have a "Legends" banner attached to them.

The book with the cult of Sith-onality was released four weeks ago, is called Star Wars Aftermath: Journey to the Force Awakens. There are a subset of recently released books that have the Journey subtitle. One of them even tells you the name of the crashed Star Destroyer we keep seeing in the trailers.
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Meh. They'll only be canon till they're not. If they retconned once, they'll retcon again when the money says they should.

They might not go as far as Eureka did (which I should watch again, because that was a great show for the first couple of seasons), but you can bank on it.
 
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unofan said:
Meh. They'll only be canon till they're not. If they retconned once, they'll retcon again when the money says they should.

They might not go as far as Eureka did (which I should watch again, because that was a great show for the first couple of seasons), but you can bank on it.
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Either way, I'm really not worried about it. There were so many books release between 1991 and 2014 that there's no way the movies could've incorporated the vast majority of the stories, and there were a lot of bad books in that mix (close to 170 total books, I read maybe half of them). I read them because I mostly enjoy them, but don't expect them to be the Yoda's truth when compared to the movies.
 
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Either way, I'm really not worried about it. There were so many books release between 1991 and 2014 that there's no way the movies could've incorporated the vast majority of the stories, and there were a lot of bad books in that mix (close to 170 total books, I read maybe half of them). I read them because I mostly enjoy them, but don't expect them to be the Yoda's truth when compared to the movies.
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I read a couple dozen of them in my younger days. The Timothy Zahn ones were the best of the bunch by far. Grand Admiral Thrawn was a great villain. They could/should use him.
 
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unofan said:
I read a couple dozen of them in my younger days. The Timothy Zahn ones were the best of the bunch by far. Grand Admiral Thrawn was a great villain. They could/should use him.
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If they'd have made the Thrawn trilogy for these movies, I'd have been very excited. Thrawn was a fantastic character - smart and ruthless yet wasn't so capricious as Vader when it came to dealing with his underlings.

I follow Timothy Zahn on Facebook. He said that Star Wars owns the rights to those books as part of the initial agreement signed back in the day. Lucas personally reviewed and approved them all, and edited for content (couldn't label the people from Hrothgar as Sith because it wasn't a race, things like that). A few updates would be necessary for how tech has changed since then, but otherwise very few things would be required to change. In fact, the little that we know about the upcoming movie has a similar feel to the Thrawn books in that the Empire hasn't completely disintegrated after Endor, and a single leader has emerged to help bring the Empire back to its glory.
 
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unofan said:
I read a couple dozen of them in my younger days. The Timothy Zahn ones were the best of the bunch by far. Grand Admiral Thrawn was a great villain. They could/should use him.
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Those actually were "official canon" for episodes 7, 8, and 9 at one point, I'm pretty sure.

It will be interesting to see if they revive the use of the clone-making equipment in one of the next three movies.
 
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I have no idea, but I thought the Clone Wars series was widely heralded by fans that were enraged when Disney cancelled and replaced it with another? I don't follow it, but have heard enough from friends over the years to pick up bits and pieces. Which doesn't mean I don't have that wrong. :)
 
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St. Clown said:
If they'd have made the Thrawn trilogy for these movies, I'd have been very excited. Thrawn was a fantastic character - smart and ruthless yet wasn't so capricious as Vader when it came to dealing with his underlings.

I follow Timothy Zahn on Facebook. He said that Star Wars owns the rights to those books as part of the initial agreement signed back in the day. Lucas personally reviewed and approved them all, and edited for content (couldn't label the people from Hrothgar as Sith because it wasn't a race, things like that). A few updates would be necessary for how tech has changed since then, but otherwise very few things would be required to change. In fact, the little that we know about the upcoming movie has a similar feel to the Thrawn books in that the Empire hasn't completely disintegrated after Endor, and a single leader has emerged to help bring the Empire back to its glory.
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Those books rocked (read them twice) as did the Jedi Academy Trilogy after. It went down hill after that but some books were good. (Truce at Bakura and Rise of Vader which were both pre-Zahn Trilogy in the timeline)

This movie looks good but I all but guarantee Disney will ruin it...
 
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Handyman said:
Those books rocked (read them twice) as did the Jedi Academy Trilogy after. It went down hill after that but some books were good. (Truce at Bakura and Rise of Vader which were both pre-Zahn Trilogy in the timeline)

This movie looks good but I all but guarantee Disney will ruin it...
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See, the Disney aspect, as weird as it sounds, gives me hope. Look at the Marvel movies, which I think turned out much much better than anyone ever though they would. And everyone was certain that Disney would ruin that too. Say what you will about Disney, but they know they need to make stuff people really want to see, and they make sure it happens. Well, now that Eisner's gone they make sure that happens. I mean, would you rather things be in Lucas's hands?

That all said, we shall see.
 
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