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Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
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Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
Cusack was an A-Lister?
Cusack is Cage lite.
Now, I've seen many movies where I enjoyed their performances. But they each have something like 729 movies to their credit, so I'm BOUND by simple odds of finding something entertaining.
Cusack was an A-Lister?
Cusack is Cage lite.
Now, I've seen many movies where I enjoyed their performances. But they each have something like 729 movies to their credit, so I'm BOUND by simple odds of finding something entertaining.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
If I get what happened, Kusack posted this quote (which I have heard before):
with an attribution of Voltaire (which I have seen before, and which is right up his alley). Unfortunately, the quote actually comes from this jerk, an anti-Semite. And making it significantly worse, Kusack posted it in the context of criticizing Israel.
Obviously if Kusack knows the provenance and significance of the original quote he's guilty of spreading an anti-Semitic slur. But. Let's say he thought it was Voltaire (which I did), and that it was originally intended to be a dig at the kings and priests ol' François-Marie was usually on about. Is that anti-Semitic? The literal interpretation is that he's saying Israel and perhaps by extension the Jewish community "rules." That's an old, paranoid anti-Semitic trope.
But figuratively the quote is about third rails. Certainly there are third rails where making any sort of statement will provoke a sh-tstorm, regardless of the content of the statement. And I think it's obvious that third railism is bad for debate. So, is the sh-tstorm actually proving the point, if the point was the latter?
If I get what happened, Kusack posted this quote (which I have heard before):
with an attribution of Voltaire (which I have seen before, and which is right up his alley). Unfortunately, the quote actually comes from this jerk, an anti-Semite. And making it significantly worse, Kusack posted it in the context of criticizing Israel.
Obviously if Kusack knows the provenance and significance of the original quote he's guilty of spreading an anti-Semitic slur. But. Let's say he thought it was Voltaire (which I did), and that it was originally intended to be a dig at the kings and priests ol' François-Marie was usually on about. Is that anti-Semitic? The literal interpretation is that he's saying Israel and perhaps by extension the Jewish community "rules." That's an old, paranoid anti-Semitic trope.
But figuratively the quote is about third rails. Certainly there are third rails where making any sort of statement will provoke a sh-tstorm, regardless of the content of the statement. And I think it's obvious that third railism is bad for debate. So, is the sh-tstorm actually proving the point, if the point was the latter?
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French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
I mean, the image he retweeted had a big ole Star of David on it. I don't think he was going for an academic discussion of the Enlightenment era given that context.
I mean, the image he retweeted had a big ole Star of David on it. I don't think he was going for an academic discussion of the Enlightenment era given that context.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
I admit he was targeting Israel. I'm not saying he has any intelligence or subtlety of thought, he's a f-cking actor; have you met Reagan?
You are very smart. You know what I'm saying. Does a Star of David preclude argument? Serious question. I'm thinking a swastika is making an overt statement even absent any other context unless you're an ancient Indian philologist. It's inherently editorial. Is a Star of David inherently editorial, or does it mean Israel the way a cowboy hat means country music or a goatee means Millennial?
This is the cartoon:
<img src="https://i1.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/John-cusack-tweet-ad7c.jpg" height="300">
It says AIPAC and Bibi to me, not Jews writ large. However I have no idea what the larger discussion he was referring to was. If it has to do with some "Hollywood is run by the Jews" BS then OK I withdraw my comments.
I admit he was targeting Israel. I'm not saying he has any intelligence or subtlety of thought, he's a f-cking actor; have you met Reagan?
You are very smart. You know what I'm saying. Does a Star of David preclude argument? Serious question. I'm thinking a swastika is making an overt statement even absent any other context unless you're an ancient Indian philologist. It's inherently editorial. Is a Star of David inherently editorial, or does it mean Israel the way a cowboy hat means country music or a goatee means Millennial?
This is the cartoon:
<img src="https://i1.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/John-cusack-tweet-ad7c.jpg" height="300">
It says AIPAC and Bibi to me, not Jews writ large. However I have no idea what the larger discussion he was referring to was. If it has to do with some "Hollywood is run by the Jews" BS then OK I withdraw my comments.
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FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
That poster looked better circa 1933, in the original German. Great job, dumbarse.
Is it really that hard to criticize the STATE OF ISRAEL, without coming off as an Antisemitic nutball?
That poster looked better circa 1933, in the original German. Great job, dumbarse.
Is it really that hard to criticize the STATE OF ISRAEL, without coming off as an Antisemitic nutball?
ticapnews
Never graduate.
Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
You can't criticize the state of Israel without being accused of being Antisemitic.
You can't criticize the state of Israel without being accused of being Antisemitic.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Depends on the audience. I personally know a lot of Jews that can discern between the two. I also know some that can't. For the latter group any attack on Israel is an attack on Judaism. It's a bummer. I've tried to clarify and explain to no avail. Doesn't keep me from trying, though.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Sure you can. That is complete crap.
Just don't do it with a slur or some stereotype and you are fine.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Those Jews are annoying but are hardly the majority.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
Yep, this. Same thing with Christians and Biblical inerrantists and generally speaking any fringe group that hides behind the majority as a shield. Bibi and his creeps have been pulling this stuff forever, but so does every televangelist in the US when he is caught in his jet with a dead girl or a live boy.
Yep, this. Same thing with Christians and Biblical inerrantists and generally speaking any fringe group that hides behind the majority as a shield. Bibi and his creeps have been pulling this stuff forever, but so does every televangelist in the US when he is caught in his jet with a dead girl or a live boy.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
I don't know that there's been formal polling.
I always got the idea that the "if you criticize Israel you're Hitler" types are either the dummies or con artists in media and politics playing a dummy card for effect, while the people who can distinguish are the intelligent.
I don't know that there's been formal polling.
I always got the idea that the "if you criticize Israel you're Hitler" types are either the dummies or con artists in media and politics playing a dummy card for effect, while the people who can distinguish are the intelligent.
ticapnews
Never graduate.
Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
Try it. You'll be accused of being Antisemitic.
Try it. You'll be accused of being Antisemitic.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
I do...and I am not. I am Jewish though so that isn't fair to you
That said I guarantee I know more Jews than you do and not one of them would accuse you of being Antisemitic for criticizing the ridiculous actions of Israel since Rabin died. Hell the majority of Jews I know support a two or three State solution.
Criticism of Israel /= Antisemitism. Sometimes the reasoning behind it is rooted in it but that isn't always on the person criticizing.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
The Neocons used to call any Jew who opposed their Gulf Adventure "self-hating." Didn't seem to matter at all whether the perp was goy or not.
I do...and I am not. I am Jewish though so that isn't fair to you
The Neocons used to call any Jew who opposed their Gulf Adventure "self-hating." Didn't seem to matter at all whether the perp was goy or not.
ticapnews
Never graduate.
Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
I didn't say you were Antisemitic. I said you'd be accused. And since you're Jewish, as Kepler said, you'd be called a self-hating Jew. I am friends with a diehard Jew and ANY criticism and he immediately brands you as Antisemitic. I made the mistake of saying I have heard all I want to about Israel/Palestine and was branded. I wasn't even critical, I explained that I was a delegate at the 2004 Convention and we never got through our platform because the I/P issue was debated for two days before someone pointed out almost everyone had left and we no longer had a quorum. As if anyone cares what we said on the issue. He is very anti-Trump but thrilled that he moved the embassy and totally on board with them naming a settlement in his honor. He's ****ing delusional.
I do...and I am not. I am Jewish though so that isn't fair to you
That said I guarantee I know more Jews than you do and not one of them would accuse you of being Antisemitic for criticizing the ridiculous actions of Israel since Rabin died. Hell the majority of Jews I know support a two or three State solution.
Criticism of Israel /= Antisemitism. Sometimes the reasoning behind it is rooted in it but that isn't always on the person criticizing.
I didn't say you were Antisemitic. I said you'd be accused. And since you're Jewish, as Kepler said, you'd be called a self-hating Jew. I am friends with a diehard Jew and ANY criticism and he immediately brands you as Antisemitic. I made the mistake of saying I have heard all I want to about Israel/Palestine and was branded. I wasn't even critical, I explained that I was a delegate at the 2004 Convention and we never got through our platform because the I/P issue was debated for two days before someone pointed out almost everyone had left and we no longer had a quorum. As if anyone cares what we said on the issue. He is very anti-Trump but thrilled that he moved the embassy and totally on board with them naming a settlement in his honor. He's ****ing delusional.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies
Yeah go back and read what I said. I criticize Israel all the time and I never get called that. (never once, not even as a joke) Maybe go back and read what Kepler said too because his post isnt about Jews calling each other self hating it is about neocons calling Jews self hating. Jews dont tend to be neocons, we tend to be liberals outside of the Netanyahoos who are war-mongers. (and usually Orthodox) But please, keep telling me how your anecdotal evidence from your one hardcore Jewish friend somehow overshadows the literal thousands of interactions I have with Jews every year (ranging from Orthodox to Reform to Reconstructionist...also ranging from those that live/have lived there to those who couldnt find it on a map) cause that is pretty funny
Are there some Jews that take criticism that way...sure. It is not the majority of Jews especially in America. Even in Israel it isnt as high as you might think despite what the media and certain politicians tell you.
Now can we drop this BS and get back to movies please...
Yeah go back and read what I said. I criticize Israel all the time and I never get called that. (never once, not even as a joke) Maybe go back and read what Kepler said too because his post isnt about Jews calling each other self hating it is about neocons calling Jews self hating. Jews dont tend to be neocons, we tend to be liberals outside of the Netanyahoos who are war-mongers. (and usually Orthodox) But please, keep telling me how your anecdotal evidence from your one hardcore Jewish friend somehow overshadows the literal thousands of interactions I have with Jews every year (ranging from Orthodox to Reform to Reconstructionist...also ranging from those that live/have lived there to those who couldnt find it on a map) cause that is pretty funny
Are there some Jews that take criticism that way...sure. It is not the majority of Jews especially in America. Even in Israel it isnt as high as you might think despite what the media and certain politicians tell you.
Now can we drop this BS and get back to movies please...
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