Most D-1 Coaches opposed to 4 on 4 OT rule change.

[J.D.]

+1. And play an additional five or ten minutes if you need to (except playoffs, where you obviously play until someone wins).

What I don't understand if why some people can't get it through their heads that, on a given night, one team simply isn't better than its opponent despite 60+ minutes of blood, sweat, and tears. When that happens, the only fair outcome is a tie, and a standings point for each team.

You're making it sound like they are proposing continuous 20 minute overtimes. I personally have no problem with ties but I would support 4 on 4 ot with the idea that if you lose a 4 on 4 ot game, it doesn't hurt you as much as a regulation loss.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Studies show a goalie needs roughly 1500 - 2000 game exposures for an injury. Most of those injuries are more related to body contact vs puck contact. Though the injury surveillance system is not as specific as needed for goalies it would seem smaller leg pads, blocker and glove would be the ticket to an increase in scoring, yet keep the injury rate the same. Of course this could be seen as logical doesn't mean it is and who knows what the hockey powers that be think. Example increase scoring because you play 3x3, 4x4 etc during OT. HA

Bingo. The goalies safety equipment, such as a helmet, all of the padding underneath the uniform and the leg pads, is there to prevent injury. The blocker, catching glove and great big stick, as well as the ability to stop play by covering the puck without generally violating the rules, exist to prevent goals. I'm pretty sure we could come up with gear that makes a goalie look more like Ken Dryden (an updated and safer helmet is an exception) but still offer modern day protection. I'd be willing to start with the leg gear and torso protection and leave the sticks and gloves alone. See what that does.

 

[icehawk]

I'm for trying a bit to break the tie... What I don't want to see is a gimmick to do it

I'm with you. I'd much rather have a tie than a game decided by a dam shootout. I like the 4 on 4 overtime but do it for 8 minutes. Still a tie so be it.

 

[willythekid]

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I'm with you. I'd much rather have a tie than a game decided by a dam shootout. I like the 4 on 4 overtime but do it for 8 minutes. Still a tie so be it.

There is no doubt shoot-outs are fun to watch but they shouldn't decide a game. Hockey is a team sport and shoot-outs, well, aren't.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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There is no doubt shoot-outs are fun to watch but they shouldn't decide a game. Hockey is a team sport and shoot-outs, well, aren't.

Some definitely see the shootout as fun to watch but I am not one who does. I think they're tremendously boring actually, unless the skater possesses world class skills. Something most college players do not.

 

[Split-N]

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You're making it sound like they are proposing continuous 20 minute overtimes....

I can't see how you could possibly draw that conclusion when my exact words were, "...Play another five or ten minutes if you need to, (except playoffs..."), where 20-min OTs are already played until there's a winner. Getting back to regular season play, I don't see what's so inherently wrong with the final result being a tie with each team getting a standings point if one team isn't better than the other after 60 minutes of regulation plus a five- or ten-minute OT. As someone said earlier in the thread, "Decide the game the way you play the game."

If the apparent decrease in scoring is the source of all this angst, I'd suggest that the proximate cause is oversized goalie equipment, and not the number of players on the ice.

 

[Skate79]

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If hockey was played 4x4 regularly, it wouldn't be a gimmick. When you change the rules of the game, it's a gimmick. It's no different than saying the goalie has to play without a stick for OT. What's really ridiculous is 3x3 OT. Decide the game the way you play the game. This is like baseball removing an outfielder in extra innings or making 3 balls a walk or giving the batter 4 strikes.

That would certainly open up the ice for power plays. Coaching PK becomes essential. I'd also go to 3x3 in OT if the 4x4 were to be adopted in regulation. Of course, this would also shorten rosters somewhat as you wouldn't necessarily need a fourth line or six D. You could alter your roster game by game to take advantage of certain teams strengths and weaknesses by playing three forwards and one D on certain shifts. In game coaching becomes even more important. My fear though is that college hockey starts to resemble a video game.

 

[J.D.]

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There's no way they are doing this to increase scoring, otherwise we'd be talking 4 on 4 all the time. 4 on 4 just in OT is a clear mission to have a winner. Now, as i said, i don't really have a problem with ties and i hate shootouts. But i would support 4 on 4 overtime. I'm not pining for it but i wouldn't mind it if it happens. 4 on 4 play comes up all the time during the season when a team takes a penalty to negate a PP etc. It really shouldn't be that big of a deal. What are coaches so afraid of? Every team would be in the same boat.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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The NCAA has always had overtime: through the 1936-37 season overtime consisted of a 10-minute overtime and if still tied a second 10-minute overtime. Starting in 1937-38 overtime was reduced to a single 10-minute overtime and starting with the 1949-50 season a single 10-minute sudden death overtime period was played. It was changed to a 5 minute overtime starting with the 1989-90 season, falling in line with the NHL's 5 minute overtime.

If I recall correctly at the time it was stated that 70% of all overtime games that had a winner were decided in the first 5 minutes, so shortening of the period would not change the outcome of many games. I previously posted limited overtime statistics in this thread. I don't have 1988-89 or 1989-90 season stats, but between 1984-85 and 1998-99 the number of tie games tripled and the percentage of tie games doubled.

I believe that shortening the length of the overtime period played a part in that. However, I don't think increasing overtime periods to 10 minutes again will appreciably decrease the number of tie games.

Sean

 

[joecct]

The NCAA has always had overtime: through the 1936-37 season overtime consisted of a 10-minute overtime and if still tied a second 10-minute overtime. Starting in 1937-38 overtime was reduced to a single 10-minute overtime and starting with the 1949-50 season a single 10-minute sudden death overtime period was played. It was changed to a 5 minute overtime starting with the 1989-90 season, falling in line with the NHL's 5 minute overtime.

If I recall correctly at the time it was stated that 70% of all overtime games that had a winner were decided in the first 5 minutes, so shortening of the period would not change the outcome of many games. I previously posted limited overtime statistics in this thread. I don't have 1988-89 or 1989-90 season stats, but between 1984-85 and 1998-99 the number of tie games tripled and the percentage of tie games doubled.

I believe that shortening the length of the overtime period played a part in that. However, I don't think increasing overtime periods to 10 minutes again will appreciably decrease the number of tie games.

Sean

In the 5 min OT, you can play 2 lines. With a 10 minute OT, you have to go deeper into the depth chart which could result in mis matches.

 

[Rhett Hot]

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Cavanaugh believes there should be consistency between overtime rules in the regular season and the postseason.

“I think the five-on-five overtime is a skill you have to learn to play; it’s different than five-on-five in regulation in that one turnover can cost you a game,” Cavanaugh said. “If you’re going to go a long way in the national tournament, your team has to be comfortable playing an overtime game. If we do away with the 5-on-5 overtime, the first time any of us will be playing it is in the national tournament. That’s something I really don’t like.”

I tend to agree with Cavanaugh on this point.
It sure would suck to have played 4-on-4 OTs all season, then get to OT in the national tournament and suddenly you don't know how to play 5-on-5 OT. 5v5 is a different style in OT than it is in regulation b/c of the sudden death factor.

And no one even begin to say that NCAA tourny OT should be 20mins 4v4. That's just dumb.

 

[SJHovey]

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I tend to agree with Cavanaugh on this point.
It sure would suck to have played 4-on-4 OTs all season, then get to OT in the national tournament and suddenly you don't know how to play 5-on-5 OT. 5v5 is a different style in OT than it is in regulation b/c of the sudden death factor.

And no one even begin to say that NCAA tourny OT should be 20mins 4v4. That's just dumb.

That's silly. Teams get into OT in the tourney, they play 5-on-5, exactly the way they played the rest of the game. They might shorten the bench, but beyond that there is no change.

 

[SonofSouthie]

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How about enforcing obstruction penalties more frequently as a means of generating more offense?

Reinstate icing on penalty kills. That'll generate offense.

 

[Rhett Hot]

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That's silly. Teams get into OT in the tourney, they play 5-on-5, exactly the way they played the rest of the game. They might shorten the bench, but beyond that there is no change.

Not necessarily true.
Players will take less risk in OT because of the sudden death.
Forwards will defend more.
D-men will hold back at a safer distance, closer to their net, instead of joining in on the rush and risking an odd man the other way.

You always have a chance to come back if you go down a goal in regulation.
The same is not true in OT.
That fundamentally changes the game, the attitudes on the ice and bench, whether consciously or subconsciously.

I don't mind 4v4, but maybe keep it in league play, rather than institute it across the whole of NCAA hockey, especially when coaches don't want it.

 

[Patman]

The NCAA has always had overtime: through the 1936-37 season overtime consisted of a 10-minute overtime and if still tied a second 10-minute overtime. Starting in 1937-38 overtime was reduced to a single 10-minute overtime and starting with the 1949-50 season a single 10-minute sudden death overtime period was played. It was changed to a 5 minute overtime starting with the 1989-90 season, falling in line with the NHL's 5 minute overtime.

If I recall correctly at the time it was stated that 70% of all overtime games that had a winner were decided in the first 5 minutes, so shortening of the period would not change the outcome of many games. I previously posted limited overtime statistics in this thread. I don't have 1988-89 or 1989-90 season stats, but between 1984-85 and 1998-99 the number of tie games tripled and the percentage of tie games doubled.

I believe that shortening the length of the overtime period played a part in that. However, I don't think increasing overtime periods to 10 minutes again will appreciably decrease the number of tie games.

Sean

Scoring rates and talent depth are the biggest impact on ties, IMO.

Teams are more equal and the chance of ties amongst equal is higher when scoring is lower.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Reinstate icing on penalty kills. That'll generate offense.

Oh yeah, that was REAL popular in 2010...

 

[Ralph Baer]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: NCAA Men's and Women's Ice Hockey Rules Committee tables 4-on-4 OT rule. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NCAAHockey?src=hash">#NCAAHockey</a></p>— Ken Schott (@slapschotts) <a href="https://twitter.com/slapschotts/status/755861846377324544">July 20, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Split-N]

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Solomon-like: Overtime gimmicks don't get forced down the throats of the conferences that don't want them (at least for a year) while conferences that like them can elect to keep their gimmicks.

 

[davyd83]

Solomon-like: Overtime gimmicks don't get forced down the throats of the conferences that don't want them (at least for a year) while conferences that like them can elect to keep their gimmicks.

Anastos is 0-for-2 this off season.

 

[Hammer]

Anastos is 0-for-2 this off season.

Just like his power plays.