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Monday Night Fight Night

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Brenthoven said:
I've thought this for years, but once we stepped into that role...hard to go back without burning most, if not all, bridges.
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We're not doing it out of charity. We police the world because our 1% benefits from the status quo. Like every empire, we expend the lives of the lower class and the taxes of the middle class to subsidize the luxuries of the upper class.
 
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Kepler said:
We're not doing it out of charity. We police the world because our 1% benefits from the current economic order. Like every empire, we expend the lives of the lower class and the taxes of the middle class to subsidize the luxuries of the upper class.
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I know we're not doing it out of charity. That's the problem. It's all "scratch my back" stuff, which inevitably leads to other problems.
 
Kepler said:
We're not doing it out of charity. We police the world because our 1% benefits from the status quo. Like every empire, we expend the lives of the lower class and the taxes of the middle class to subsidize the luxuries of the upper class.
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You do remember that Rome fell to the barbarians?
 
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Brenthoven said:
I know we're not doing it out of charity. That's the problem. It's all "scratch my back" stuff, which inevitably leads to other problems.
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"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations - entangling alliances with none." - George Washington
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
As expected, 15 minutes in, Trump interrupting Hillary half the time. If you like Trump, he looks Presidential. If you hate Trump, he looks like a bully.
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To answer the original post, who "won" last night's debate?

I did. I turned it off after about 90 seconds. It sounds like that was a good decision on my part.


I could tell it would be surreal from the outset, Clinton with that [adjective] red blouse and The Donald with that ice-blue tie. Generally, for me, his manner and her voice are each really grating. Why subject myself to so much annoyance?



From what I can tell from various recaps, Trump stumbled badly and missed many opportunities to press his case, while Clinton would have been a good insomnia cure. No "winner," certainly not the citizens of the US.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I know we're not doing it out of charity. That's the problem. It's all "scratch my back" stuff, which inevitably leads to other problems.
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It seems to have evolved from a decision to keep our traders safe from pirates (Jefferson sending the Navy to Tripoli). One of the best ways to keep the world a peaceful place is to get everyone invested in their own material well-being, and commerce among nations is a great way to promote that.
 
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FreshFish said:
From what I can tell from various recaps, Trump stumbled badly and missed many opportunities to press his case, while Clinton would have been a good insomnia cure. No "winner," certainly not the citizens of the US.
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Nice try, but your guy lost this one, and that impression seems to be nearly universal outside of Freep and maybe under a few MRA rocks.

You can always tell when a debate has been a romp when a partisan calls it a "tie."

Trump looked worse and worse as the night went on; by the end he was a sniffling pool of gibberish. Hillary got stronger and stronger, which was only highlighted by the stark contrast with Trump's earlier attempt to insinuate health / age issues. In fact it was Trump, slumping over his podium and slurping in air from time to time, who looked old and unhealthy.

The media seem to be doing their job for once, actually calling out Trump's more ludicrous lies. Hillary handed those well, alternately smiling ("there he goes again") and attributing his lack of grasp on facts to his overall unpreparedness.

And here's the thing: she wasn't boring, she not only kept her cool but was able to play Trump like a piano. Whenever she had the tactical advantage she pummeled him with facts; whenever she felt the tone of the room was against her she distracted him with some sort of light tap knowing he would respond all out of proportion, which he did every time.

The canned line of the night was "I did prepare," and it will play with undecideds.

The gaffe of the night, aside from "fighting ISIS your entire adult life," which was just bizarre, was "that wouldn't start a war." That's as bad as Reagan's infamous thinking that we could recall ICBMs after launch.

But for me the moment of the night was when Hillary reassured our allies that we will honor our treaties. When that happened I turned to Dr. Mrs. and said, "that was her first official act as president."

I know the numbers won't budge because that's the world we live in now, but make no mistake: this was a rout. Trump made Sarah Palin look competent and knowledgeable. Sound on at a watch party (content) or sound off at a sports bar (optics), there was no contest. Hillary won the debate.
 
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FreshFish said:
From what I can tell from various recaps, Trump stumbled badly and missed many opportunities to press his case, while Clinton would have been a good insomnia cure. No "winner," certainly not the citizens of the US.
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Clinton could have been perfect other than a single misplaced strand of hair and you'd still be playing this false equivalence "no winner" game.
 
FreshFish said:
To answer the original post, who "won" last night's debate?

I did. I turned it off after about 90 seconds. It sounds like that was a good decision on my part.


I could tell it would be surreal from the outset, Clinton with that [adjective] red blouse and The Donald with that ice-blue tie. Generally, for me, his manner and her voice are each really grating. Why subject myself to so much annoyance?



From what I can tell from various recaps, Trump stumbled badly and missed many opportunities to press his case, while Clinton would have been a good insomnia cure. No "winner," certainly not the citizens of the US.
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Hillary showed a masterclass in 'Woman Listening Face'."
 
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Kepler said:
The gaffe of the night, aside from "fighting ISIS your entire adult life," which was just bizarre, was "that wouldn't start a war." That's as bad as Reagan's infamous thinking that we could recall ICBMs after launch.
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I was also a fan of 5 minutes of "Call Sean Hannity!", of "no admission of guilt!", and of "maybe their work was bad".
 
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joecct said:
It's all of us contributing to the disaster.
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I suppose it looks like a disaster to a Republican when the Republican party is a disaster, but outside that party this isn't a disaster at all. We saw what a disaster looked like in 2004-2008 with the world economy in freefall and an awful, blind foreign policy.

What we've seen since is a slow and steady recovery despite the utter implosion of the GOP into a brainlessly intransigent Congressional caucus and a horrific sack of orange puss as a presidential candidate. But don't mistake your partisan disaster for America. Yes, the GOP has been hurting America and will continue to do so until it gets its head out of its rectum, but the rest of America is actually doing much better than it was this time in 2008 and all but the most dogged partisans see no reason to risk letting that drunk driver back behind the wheel.
 
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The man who mocked Rubio for water, Hillary for being sick, and calling everyone around him weak spent 90 minutes gulping water, sniffling after every sentence and stammering his way through lies trying to explain other lies.

Fact checking stories today are focusing 80% on Trump.

Yet somehow it won't matter.
 
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This is apparently an accomplishment now:

"To tell Hillary Clinton after she accused him of being terrible with women, to tell Hillary Clinton 'I was prepared to go rough tonight and I am not going to do it because your husband and daughter are here.' That is going to grow in importance in the next couple of days in a moment of great temperance and restraint," Conway told MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

Trump's running mate, Mike Pence, parroted the talking points on CBS's "This Morning," also saying he was "so proud" that Trump didn't bring up Bill Clinton's indiscretions.
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