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MLB 2020: We'll Play Ball, I Guess.
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Spartanforlife4
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Mets win on a walk-off HBP.
Problem being the plate umpire begins to ring him up before stopping and saying he was hit by the pitch. If you are hit by a pitch in the strike zone, it's a dead ball strike, which in this case is an out being a two strike count.
This creates a bit of a quandary if the Marlins decide to protest. You cannot protest a judgement call. However, you can protest a misapplication of the rules. I can't find a specific definition on when a strike or ball becomes official (I'm not even sure if there is one, it might just be one of those it isn't until it is things), but you can clearly hear an audible strike call and he begins to ring the batter up. If that is deemed to be a strike call, then this would move into a misapplication of the hit-by-pitch rule.
Problem being the plate umpire begins to ring him up before stopping and saying he was hit by the pitch. If you are hit by a pitch in the strike zone, it's a dead ball strike, which in this case is an out being a two strike count.
This creates a bit of a quandary if the Marlins decide to protest. You cannot protest a judgement call. However, you can protest a misapplication of the rules. I can't find a specific definition on when a strike or ball becomes official (I'm not even sure if there is one, it might just be one of those it isn't until it is things), but you can clearly hear an audible strike call and he begins to ring the batter up. If that is deemed to be a strike call, then this would move into a misapplication of the hit-by-pitch rule.
JF_Gophers
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The Mets needed a break. Lets not take it away from them.
French Rage
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Oh holy god that's a bad call.
Kepler
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I saw it live. It was a traveshamockery.
Kepler
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MLB pussed out and said "review confirms a HBP, we cannot rule on a strike or ball, therefore the call stands."
Which... I guess. But my god it is being a puss.
The ump obviously just plum fucked up and did not apply the rules correctly. But there's no way MLB let's it be reversed. So, we get a totally undeserved win. So be it; something will balance it down the line.
JF_Gophers
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I hate the White Sox. But we may have to talk about this Mercedes kid (hes 28).
Spartanforlife4
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Within the game that’s all the ruling could be on review. Apparently they can review if the ball hits the batter or not, but they can’t rule on if it hits him in the strike zone.
Miami has until noon tomorrow to protest if they want, but their chances aren’t great. In the last 40
years the only successful protests were the Pine Tar game, a game in ‘86 where they called it due to rain too early, and a 2014 game where the Cubs grounds crew made the field unplayable by being too slow with the tarp.
French Rage
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I'm not even 100% convinced it hit him.
But next time he should really go for it. No slight grazing of the elbow. Get a running start and dive across homeplate in front of the pitch like a bodyguard. Really tempt MLB to overturn it.
But next time he should really go for it. No slight grazing of the elbow. Get a running start and dive across homeplate in front of the pitch like a bodyguard. Really tempt MLB to overturn it.
RaceBoarder
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Heres the deal on this:
This was a fundamental, but catastrophic screw-up by Ron Kulpa. It was simply an information overload that took him an extra second to process. In the rush to process the result he simply ignored the fundamental aspect of the rule.
This is the umpire equivalent of a fielder having a simple pop-up hit them in the glove and then end up on the ground.
Yes it's a play that gets executed correctly 999/1000 times. The stars aligned on rep #1000 here.
This was a fundamental, but catastrophic screw-up by Ron Kulpa. It was simply an information overload that took him an extra second to process. In the rush to process the result he simply ignored the fundamental aspect of the rule.
This is the umpire equivalent of a fielder having a simple pop-up hit them in the glove and then end up on the ground.
Yes it's a play that gets executed correctly 999/1000 times. The stars aligned on rep #1000 here.
Spartanforlife4
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But when does it move from judgement to misapplication?
Kulpa admitted he should have called a strikeout. Frankly, he did call a strikeout. But the general consensus I’m reading seems to be that the play is being classified as a judgement error. This despite his actions during the play and later his quote, though I’m not sure if his quote took place before or after he saw a replay.
SonofSouthie
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RaceBoarder
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This is a mis-application of a judgement call. We have indicators that show he 100% believed to pitch to be "in the zone". He should have called the batter out. He should have known this. There should be stiff penalties for this gaff.
I get the "crossed wires" aspect of this play. But the play should have been called correctly after stepping back and thinking about it.
Proper procedure on the play should be to call Time for the HBP. Then sell the result based on pitch location. So missed that up fundamentally.
Honestly, because he fully indicated "Strike", I think there may be a case for protesting the ruling of how to handle a HBP.
Kepler
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Did you see the overhead shot? He is obviously moving his arm to be hit. The Mets TV crew (excellent as always) was all over it saying it was clearly a strike and he clearly moved to be hit and so should be out.
Kepler
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He was beginning his strike three call!
Then he stopped because of the HBP. That is a clear misapplication of the rule -- and now for a variety of reasons it won't be overturned. But this is an obvious instance in which the umpire forgot a rule every high schooler knows, and that aint a good look for MLB.
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
We all agree the Mets kid there deserves the first ball today in the arse
Kepler
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Tomorrow. We have today off.
I might just sit Conforto for the rest of the series. He's been ice cold.
unofan
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I'd disagree only to the extent I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen someone get hit and not be awarded the base, even though there are dozens of players who never make an attempt to get out of the way and make a living hanging the elbow over the plate. It's even rarer to see the pitch called a strike.
The only reason this incident is noticeable is because he started to punch him out, making it clear to everyone the pitch was a strike.
Spartanforlife4
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Joe Musgrove throws the first no-hitter in San Diego Padres history against the Rangers.
And with that, every franchise now has a no-hitter.
And with that, every franchise now has a no-hitter.
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