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MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

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Russell Jaslow said:
Did the commentators mention later on that the call was not reviewable (which does make sense)? If so, why did it take them that long to tell the umpires we can't review the call?
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They were discussing the legality of the protest. It was determined to be a judgement call and therefore could not be protested.

I didn’t realize the running lane rule was so little known. That extra stripe down the first line isn’t just for decoration. Stay in that lane and you’re immune to interference.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
They were discussing the legality of the protest. It was determined to be a judgement call and therefore could not be protested.

I didn’t realize the running lane rule was so little known. That extra stripe down the first line isn’t just for decoration. Stay in that lane and you’re immune to interference.
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It doesn't go all the way to the base, though, from home. IMO, if you keep your path straight along the "real" line the whole way, and don't divert, you're good. If you run outside the baseline, then divert inside, you are toast.
 
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[QUOTE.=The Rube;6859265]It doesn't go all the way to the base, though, from home. IMO, if you keep your path straight along the "real" line the whole way, and don't divert, you're good. If you run outside the baseline, then divert inside, you are toast.[/QUOTE]

You’re correct that it doesn’t start from home, you get 45 feet to get into the lane, but you’re “supposed” to make your way into the lane. Most guys don’t. And most of the time it doesn’t matter. It usually only comes up with throws from the catcher

Of course, Joe Torre said the call had nothing to do with the running lane and only had to do with knocking the glove off, so... yeah...
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Of course, Joe Torre said the call had nothing to do with the running lane and only had to do with knocking the glove off, so... yeah...
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I call BS.

Say the runner had been entirely in the running lane in foul territory and the throw had been wild and Turner had collided with the glove well into foul territory? By Torre's logic, that is also interference.

The call was justifiable (50/50) but it was absolutely about the running lane. I don't understand why they'd lie about it -- they have a perfectly defensible application of the rule and a judgment that honest people can disagree about. Why f-ck about? Has everybody become infected by Dump and they just lie for practice, now?
 
Kepler said:
I call BS.

Say the runner had been entirely in the running lane in foul territory and the throw had been wild and Turner had collided with the glove well into foul territory? By Torre's logic, that is also interference.

The call was justifiable (50/50) but it was absolutely about the running lane. I don't understand why they'd lie about it -- they have a perfectly defensible application of the rule and a judgment that honest people can disagree about. Why f-ck about? Has everybody become infected by Dump and they just lie for practice, now?
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Part of me wonders if he just misspoke. Another part of me wonders why it’s him explaining the call and not the director of umpires, or head of the umpires union, or the umpires themselves as they did with the obstruction call in the Boston-STL series a few years ago.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Part of me wonders if he just misspoke. Another part of me wonders why it’s him explaining the call and not the director of umpires, or head of the umpires union, or the umpires themselves as they did with the obstruction call in the Boston-STL series a few years ago.
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Also, he may just be an idiot. These guys show again and again that when outside the very, very narrow confines of endlessly repeated situations, they are, in the end, jocks.
 
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Wonderful throwback moment from the best Twitter handle in history.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Never bet against Tommy Lasorda in a street fight with a mascot. <a href="https://t.co/mE3DtLYj9L">pic.twitter.com/mE3DtLYj9L</a></p>— Super 70s Sports (@Super70sSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/Super70sSports/status/1189190021435162626?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
They were discussing the legality of the protest. It was determined to be a judgement call and therefore could not be protested.
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I figured that. I just don't know what it took so long. It took me three seconds to realize it was a judgement call and thus can't be reviewable.

I didn’t realize the running lane rule was so little known. That extra stripe down the first line isn’t just for decoration. Stay in that lane and you’re immune to interference.
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I understand that. On the surface, it's the right call. Logically, your brain gets twisted.

On an aside, I'm surprised they didn't start showing the replays of the infamous Reggie Jackson hip check of the throw from second to first to "break" up a double play. And then watch Lasorda go absolutely ape sh*t, comparing that to Martinez.
 
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Here's my breakdown of that play and why it's correct:

First of all, the "Runner's Lane". Starts at the 45' mark and extends all the way to the "immediate vicinity" of the base. The runner must have BOTH feet inside the lane. "Inside" means that part of the foot is on or inside the line.

The act of "Runner's Lane Interference" (RLI) occurs when the Batter Runner (BR) hinders or impedes the fielder's ability to field a "True throw" at 1st base by being outside the running lane. "True throw" meaning that the throw is one that would reasonably be caught by the 1st baseman under normal circumstances. Any sort of Interference play in baseball hinges around the phrase "hinder, impede, or confuse". Just keep those 1st two words in mind.

The key thing here is that everyone is focusing on Turner hitting the mitt/ball in the area of the base. What no one is commenting on is that Turner NEVER had both feet in the lane at any point. Why this is important is that him running to the inside (fair territory) is that the runner being there can be interpreted as impeding the fielders ability to cleanly track and catch that throw. The fielder should NOT have to look around or through a runner who is down the line. If you look at how Gurriel tried to field the ball, it wasn't exactly "conventional". His positioning is off and that probably aided in making it look like he was impeded. It's not just the moment of the catch that needs to be considered. It's his ability to field a "true throw" and the entire time he may be affected by those actions.

Turner also didn't do himself any favors by telegraphing this play by running all 90 feet in fair territory. If he was in the lane until his last step and then moved to the EXACT same positioning where the ball/Gurriel got him, he stands a good chance at getting away with this. He put himself in a trouble area for so long, it gives the fielder the benefit of the doubt on a play like this.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
The fielder should NOT have to look around or through a runner who is down the line.
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I agree, nor should he, when the throw is coming from halfway down the third base line. Unless he finds the catcher so stunning he cannot takes his eyes off him.
 
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French Rage said:
I agree, nor should he, when the throw is coming from halfway down the third base line. Unless he finds the catcher so stunning he cannot takes his eyes off him.
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The runner being in an area he shouldn't be is a distraction that puts the fielder at a disadvantage. That's all that is needed.
 
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There's a dam good game going on right now.
 
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Don't know if this has been discussed, but can anyone recall a 7-game series where all wins were on the road?
 
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So I've got the game on ESPN radio, and now I'm nervous.

Houston is getting LOUD.
 
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