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MLB 2012, Part 1 - It's here

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dxmnkd316 said:
There is no way in hell Cabrera's name will be mentioned in the same breath as Williams, Gehrig, or Mantle. He might be a HOFer, but not among the all-time greats. (As odd as that last sentence is.)
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Well, it's because he only really plays on offense. The same reason why some people think Mike Trout should get the AL MVP despite his lesser batting stats; he also plays defense. Cabrera's offensive numbers are right up there (I think I read second only to seasons by Ruth and Gehrig) but that's all he's got.
 
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I just can't get behind a triple crown winner who did it in a division where THREE TEAMS lost 90+ games and NO TEAM won more than 88. I guess I'm just not impressed.
 
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How awesome was the AL this season? The Mariners (yes, the 75-87 Seattle Mariners) finished the season with a BRAPB of 101.9 while the Cardinals (yes, the playoff-bound 88-74 St. Louis Cardinals) had a BRAPB of 100.6. What's BRAPB? Why, it's burgie12's Ratings for American Professional Baseball, of course. Basically, it's KRACH for the MLB.

All teams:
Code: 
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|    Team   | Rating|  RRWP  |  SOS  |
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| Yankees   | 163.9 | 0.6225 | 115.6 |
| Athletics | 157.4 | 0.6127 | 113.9 |
| Orioles   | 154.4 | 0.6081 | 114.5 |
| Rangers   | 148.8 | 0.5991 | 110.4 |
| Rays      | 143.8 | 0.5907 | 115.0 |
| Angels    | 141.1 | 0.5861 | 115.7 |
| Nationals | 140.0 | 0.5841 |  91.4 |
| Braves    | 128.1 | 0.5622 |  92.7 |
| Reds      | 124.9 | 0.5558 |  83.7 |
| Tigers    | 123.6 | 0.5532 | 103.9 |
| Giants    | 122.6 | 0.5513 |  88.7 |
| White Sox | 112.7 | 0.5302 | 102.1 |
| Dodgers   | 102.8 | 0.5070 |  90.9 |
| Mariners  | 101.9 | 0.5048 | 118.2 |
| Cardinals | 100.6 | 0.5016 |  84.6 |
| Blue Jays |  97.7 | 0.4942 | 119.2 |
| Phillies  |  93.0 | 0.4816 |  93.0 |
| D-backs   |  90.5 | 0.4748 |  90.5 |
| Brewers   |  88.3 | 0.4686 |  84.0 |
| Red Sox   |  87.8 | 0.4673 | 118.4 |
| Royals    |  86.1 | 0.4621 | 107.6 |
| Pirates   |  82.4 | 0.4512 |  86.5 |
| Mets      |  81.9 | 0.4498 |  97.4 |
| Padres    |  81.3 | 0.4479 |  92.0 |
| Indians   |  79.0 | 0.4407 | 109.2 |
| Twins     |  75.1 | 0.4281 | 109.2 |
| Marlins   |  71.0 | 0.4143 |  95.7 |
| Rockies   |  62.2 | 0.3820 |  95.2 |
| Cubs      |  54.3 | 0.3503 |  89.9 |
| Astros    |  47.0 | 0.3174 |  91.4 |
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Playoff Teams:
Code: 
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|    Team   | Rating|  RRWP  |  SOS  |
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| Yankees   | 163.9 | 0.6225 | 115.6 |
| Athletics | 157.4 | 0.6127 | 113.9 |
| Orioles   | 154.4 | 0.6081 | 114.5 |
| Rangers   | 148.8 | 0.5991 | 110.4 |
| Nationals | 140.0 | 0.5841 |  91.4 |
| Braves    | 128.1 | 0.5622 |  92.7 |
| Reds      | 124.9 | 0.5558 |  83.7 |
| Tigers    | 123.6 | 0.5532 | 103.9 |
| Giants    | 122.6 | 0.5513 |  88.7 |
| Cardinals | 100.6 | 0.5016 |  84.6 |
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Odds for the Wild Card Playoff Game:
Code: 
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|  STL@ATL  | BRABP | Odds |
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| Cardinals | 100.6 | 44.0 |
| Braves    | 128.1 | 56.0 |
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|  BAL@TEX  | BRABP | Odds |
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| Orioles   | 154.4 | 50.9 |
| Ranger    | 148.8 | 49.1 |
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Odds for the LDSs to come on Saturday.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I just can't get behind a triple crown winner who did it in a division where THREE TEAMS lost 90+ games and NO TEAM won more than 88. I guess I'm just not impressed.
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There have been a lot of crappy divisions (hi AL Central) since the last winner in '67 and no one has done it till now. If it was based on the division you played in being crappy, there should of been another winner by now.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I just can't get behind a triple crown winner who did it in a division where THREE TEAMS lost 90+ games and NO TEAM won more than 88. I guess I'm just not impressed.
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But it's a once-in-50-years individual accomplishment. How much the division has sucked over many of those years has very little to do with the accomplishment.
I still think the only reason the triple crown has gone largely unnoticed until today is that Cabrera is a one-dimensional player. He's a pure hitting machine, but that's not very sexy to fans outside Detroit.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I just can't get behind a triple crown winner who did it in a division where THREE TEAMS lost 90+ games and NO TEAM won more than 88. I guess I'm just not impressed.
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Were you butthurt to start with, or did it flare up while you kept moving the goalposts all night?
 
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Biddco said:
He is only 29 years old. (Somehow I guess that right on the button) I'm not sure where he is stats wise in his career but I'm sure its on pace for greatness.
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He's currently on pace for a Frank Robinson/Hank Aaron-type career. The key is longevity. At age 29, he's right about where Aaron/Robinson were, a little behind Mickey Mantle, and way behind Ken Griffey Jr. Mantle declined sharply at age 30, while Griffey fell off at age 31. Robinson was very good into his mid-30s. Aaron was very good until he was about 40.

He'll probably end up top 20, maybe top 15 all-time, although in an era where Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez will both make a strong argument for top 10 status(Assuming The Great White Hope is still batting in front of Pujols. Albert is a .220 hitter without him and I've got the spreadsheets to prove it.) Then again, I'm sure by the time it comes to vote on Cabrera for the HOF, we'll have made up about a dozen new acronyms to show that he wasn't really that good. :rolleyes:
 
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Using the same numbers as burgie, here are each team's chances to advance past each round. The table is ranked by likelihood to win it all.

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|   | WC  | LDS | LCS | WS  |
|---------------------------|
|NYY|xxxxx|53.6%|30.7%|19.4%|
|---|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|OAK|xxxxx|61.2%|30.4%|18.6%|
|---|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|WAS|xxxxx|59.0%|33.4%|15.2%|
|---|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|CIN|xxxxx|50.9%|24.3%|09.5%|
|---|-----|-----|-----|-----|
| SF|xxxxx|49.1%|23.0%|08.8%|
|---|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|BAL|50.9%|24.0%|13.0%|07.8%|
|---|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|DET|xxxxx|38.8%|14.3%|06.9%|
|---|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|TEX|49.1%|22.3%|11.6%|06.7%|
|---|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|ATL|56.0%|25.7%|13.3%|05.4%|
|---|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|STL|44.0%|15.4%|06.0%|01.7%|
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That said, GO CARDINALS!
 
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Pat Neshek, now with Oakland, was granted leave from the team for their final game to be with his wife for the birth of their first child. Just 23 hours after being born, he tragically passed away. Yeesh, talk about a total rollercoaster of emotion.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
There is no way in hell Cabrera's name will be mentioned in the same breath as Williams, Gehrig, or Mantle. He might be a HOFer, but not among the all-time greats. (As odd as that last sentence is.)
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No, certainly not at this point, but a lot of the players on that list of triple crown winners are a far cry from the Williams/Gehrig/Mantle pantheon too.
geezer said:
I still think the only reason the triple crown has gone largely unnoticed until today is that Cabrera is a one-dimensional player. He's a pure hitting machine, but that's not very sexy to fans outside Detroit.
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I don't think anyone thinks Cabrera is sexy, even people in Detroit. :p
geezer said:
Well, it's because he only really plays on offense. The same reason why some people think Mike Trout should get the AL MVP despite his lesser batting stats; he also plays defense.
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Nitpick: It's not just that Trout plays great defense at a premium position and is a fantastic baserunner. He was also arguably just as good a hitter this season, maybe even better.
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
Pat Neshek, now with Oakland, was granted leave from the team for their final game to be with his wife for the birth of their first child. Just 23 hours after being born, he tragically passed away. Yeesh, talk about a total rollercoaster of emotion.
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:(
 
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jmh said:
No, certainly not at this point, but a lot of the players on that list of triple crown winners are a far cry from the Williams/Gehrig/Mantle pantheon too.I don't think anyone thinks Cabrera is sexy, even people in Detroit.
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Speak for yourself. I love that big sexy beast.
jmh said:
:pNitpick: It's not just that Trout plays great defense at a premium position and is a fantastic baserunner. He was also arguably just as good a hitter this season, maybe even better.
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If you ignore both April and September that's true. But he wasn't there yet in April, and he virtually disappeared late (comparatively), hence the lesser overall stats. Should a half-season player get the MVP? I don't know.
 
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geezer said:
If you ignore both April and September that's true. But he wasn't there yet in April, and he virtually disappeared late (comparatively), hence the lesser overall stats. Should a half-season player get the MVP? I don't know.
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Trout had 639 plate appearances, Cabrera had 697. It's not an insignificant difference, but "half-season player" is probably overstating the case. Or do you mean that he wasn't as good in August/September as he was in July? That's true, but it's not like he staggered in hitting .197 over the last two months or something.
 
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jmh said:
Trout had 639 plate appearances, Cabrera had 697. It's not an insignificant difference, but "half-season player" is probably overstating the case. Or do you mean that he wasn't as good in August/September as he was in July? That's true, but it's not like he staggered in hitting .197 over the last two months or something.
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I mean he was as good as Cabrera was all year for about half a season. Pitchers tend to catch up to a guy after the first go-round. What would be pretty awesome is if Trout is able to come back with similar numbers his sophomore year, which would require some adjusting and improvements, as we've learned from countless rookie wonderboys. I would love to see him pull it off.

I'm not convinced one way or another on the MVP. Trout's steals and defense are impressive, but it depends on what you consider "valuable".
 
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Some posts on my fb feed about Cabrera are pretty <strike>funny</strike> mean. In regards to a triple crown... No one hits the ball, bottle, and their wife harder.
 
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jmh said:
Trout had 639 plate appearances, Cabrera had 697. It's not an insignificant difference, but "half-season player" is probably overstating the case. Or do you mean that he wasn't as good in August/September as he was in July? That's true, but it's not like he staggered in hitting .197 over the last two months or something.
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Dropped to .284 in August, and .257 in September/October. There's got to be a niggling question that people have seen the tape on him now that's he's been through the league once.

Meanwhile, Cabrera won AL player of the month both months.
 
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