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Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
I like it because it actually puts more value on winning your division. Makes the wild card team burn a pitcher to get the right to play the team with the best record. Hopefully this also means that the wildcard team can play the team in its own division.
JF_Gophers
2147483647
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
I'm not in love with going to a 10 team playoff, but whatever. I get that baseball like other sports is trying to keep more teams competitive longer in order to make more revenue.
I actually liked the old school two 7 team divisions and 2 total rounds of playoffs (LCS, WS).
What's more disturbing to me is the extension of interleague play. This continues to dilute the regular season and makes for further uneven schedules amongst teams in the same league.
For example, the Orioles are already playing the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays around 60 times a year (37%). They are in the same division so thats fine, but it makes for a very difficult schedule. Then add on top of that the years they have to play a difficult NL interleague schedule, say 10 more games. That is now 43% of their schedule against top tier teams (ignoring series against other AL powers TEX, DET, etc). While someone in the AL Central may only play a handful of games against the top tier.
I know it won't work out that way every year, but it illustrates the issues with a) going to 3 divisions, and b) interleague scheduling. You could say, well the top teams tend to rotate. You never know who will be good year-to-year. That is true for 1 or 2 teams. But the truth is, we all know who the best teams each year are going to be. Lets not kid ourselves.
I'm not in love with going to a 10 team playoff, but whatever. I get that baseball like other sports is trying to keep more teams competitive longer in order to make more revenue.
I actually liked the old school two 7 team divisions and 2 total rounds of playoffs (LCS, WS).
What's more disturbing to me is the extension of interleague play. This continues to dilute the regular season and makes for further uneven schedules amongst teams in the same league.
For example, the Orioles are already playing the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays around 60 times a year (37%). They are in the same division so thats fine, but it makes for a very difficult schedule. Then add on top of that the years they have to play a difficult NL interleague schedule, say 10 more games. That is now 43% of their schedule against top tier teams (ignoring series against other AL powers TEX, DET, etc). While someone in the AL Central may only play a handful of games against the top tier.
I know it won't work out that way every year, but it illustrates the issues with a) going to 3 divisions, and b) interleague scheduling. You could say, well the top teams tend to rotate. You never know who will be good year-to-year. That is true for 1 or 2 teams. But the truth is, we all know who the best teams each year are going to be. Lets not kid ourselves.
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Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
This.
If a team can't win the division over the course of 162 games then they deserve to sit home. No second or third chances to make the World Series. I guess I should just be happy MLB hasn't gone the way of the NFL or NHL where seemingly everyone makes the playoffs.
Totally agree. Some teams are going to get screwed year in and year out with this. Interleague wasn't a good idea to begin with and now it is made even worse.
This.
If a team can't win the division over the course of 162 games then they deserve to sit home. No second or third chances to make the World Series. I guess I should just be happy MLB hasn't gone the way of the NFL or NHL where seemingly everyone makes the playoffs.
Totally agree. Some teams are going to get screwed year in and year out with this. Interleague wasn't a good idea to begin with and now it is made even worse.
unofan
Well-known member
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
It doesn't make the playoffs less meaningful, but it does make the regular season less meaningful. But I suppose anything to guarantee the Red Sox and Yankees both make the playoffs, if even for just one game...
That said, I'm with JF. I don't care about the dilution of the playoff field nearly as much as the interleague play crap. Interleague play was proposed pretty much everytime baseball hit a rough patch; the dead ball era, the great depression, the 1970's, the 1980's. Every time it was deemed too radical to implement. But in the 1990's, oh my god, baseball simply needed interleague play to survive. Fark that.
It doesn't make the playoffs less meaningful, but it does make the regular season less meaningful. But I suppose anything to guarantee the Red Sox and Yankees both make the playoffs, if even for just one game...
That said, I'm with JF. I don't care about the dilution of the playoff field nearly as much as the interleague play crap. Interleague play was proposed pretty much everytime baseball hit a rough patch; the dead ball era, the great depression, the 1970's, the 1980's. Every time it was deemed too radical to implement. But in the 1990's, oh my god, baseball simply needed interleague play to survive. Fark that.
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Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
You could play a slightly unbalance division schedule (13 vs 2, 14 vs 2; 54)
You could play 6 vs every team in the other divisions (60)
You could play a designated rival from the other league 6 times (Cubs vs White Sox; Mets vs Yankees; Brewers vs Twins, etc) (6)
And play every other team in the other league 3 times. (42)
54+60+6+42=162
And that's just one option.
I'm pretty sure the main reason for shifting Houston to the AL was to BALANCE schedules.
You could play a slightly unbalance division schedule (13 vs 2, 14 vs 2; 54)
You could play 6 vs every team in the other divisions (60)
You could play a designated rival from the other league 6 times (Cubs vs White Sox; Mets vs Yankees; Brewers vs Twins, etc) (6)
And play every other team in the other league 3 times. (42)
54+60+6+42=162
And that's just one option.
MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Blue Jays reveal their new/old logo. I like it.
http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2011/11/18/the-new-logo-is-revealed-sorta/
Blue Jays reveal their new/old logo. I like it.
http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2011/11/18/the-new-logo-is-revealed-sorta/
unofan
Well-known member
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
If they expand interleague play so that almost a third of the schedule is eaten up by interleague play, they'll have really screwed something up. The 10% that already gets eaten up is about 5% too much.
If they expand interleague play so that almost a third of the schedule is eaten up by interleague play, they'll have really screwed something up. The 10% that already gets eaten up is about 5% too much.
gounhwildcats
Go Cats!! Beat Maine!!!
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Agreed. Although interleague play does not dilute the playoffs, it does diminish them. And by that I mean, prior to interleague play the only meaningful games between the AL and NL all year were the WS games. Now with IL, and it's apparent year round incarnation, MLB is just another homogenized North American professional sports league. The mystique surrounding a championship that was meant to determine whose league was better is pretty much gone now, because it's no longer the Major Leagues of Baseball, it's just plain old Major League Baseball.
On the bright side, if you are in an AL only fantasy league you now have 25 new players to choose from. Even if they are only crappy Astros players.
Agreed. Although interleague play does not dilute the playoffs, it does diminish them. And by that I mean, prior to interleague play the only meaningful games between the AL and NL all year were the WS games. Now with IL, and it's apparent year round incarnation, MLB is just another homogenized North American professional sports league. The mystique surrounding a championship that was meant to determine whose league was better is pretty much gone now, because it's no longer the Major Leagues of Baseball, it's just plain old Major League Baseball.
On the bright side, if you are in an AL only fantasy league you now have 25 new players to choose from. Even if they are only crappy Astros players.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Why? Because the tradition of 2 distinct leagues? Whats wrong with EVERY team playing EVERY other team in one series a season? Is it really that WRONG that a fan in Colorado or St Louis would like to see the yankees more than once a decade?
JF_Gophers
2147483647
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
The Twins would be happy to trade away their games against the Yankees next season for 7-10 games against someone else.
Biddco
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Love it. Cool to see MLB teams changing their uniforms to classic ones in the past with a modern twist. At least the BLUE Jays will have blue instead of black. Although I did like the grey Hat they had a few years ago. The new Oriole hats are freaking awesome
JF_Gophers
2147483647
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
You mean like how it was before they added the wild cards? Where if you didn't win the division, you were out on your ass.
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Good lord, I certainly don't want to see that many interleague games. Any more than 7 is too many. I guess I should have been more clear. I don't care about the balanced schedule thing, (which it's not as long as their is the designated rival crap), it's the expansion interleague of games.
Good lord, I certainly don't want to see that many interleague games. Any more than 7 is too many. I guess I should have been more clear. I don't care about the balanced schedule thing, (which it's not as long as their is the designated rival crap), it's the expansion interleague of games.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
That schedule means everyone plays the same schedule within a given division except for 5 games...
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Right, which is unbalanced. Again, I don't care if the schedules are balanced or not.
Right, which is unbalanced. Again, I don't care if the schedules are balanced or not.
unofan
Well-known member
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Interleague play is as wrong as the designated hitter and astroturf (both of which should be outlawed by Constitutional Amendment, I might add). So, yeah.
I have no idea if the NBA has everyone play everyone else. I know the NHL doesn't, and the NFL only has you play a quarter of the opposing conference every year (which, in theory, means you get any given non-conference team at home once every 8 years). It only makes sense that you play your own division and own league way more often.
And I honestly doubt Colorado or St. Louis fans care about the Yankees as much as you seem to think they do. If the choice was playing the Yankees three times or getting another series against the Cubs or Dodgers, they'll take the Cubs or Dodgers. You might as well be arguing that Oregon football fans should get to see Nebraska more than once a century.
Interleague play is as wrong as the designated hitter and astroturf (both of which should be outlawed by Constitutional Amendment, I might add). So, yeah.
I have no idea if the NBA has everyone play everyone else. I know the NHL doesn't, and the NFL only has you play a quarter of the opposing conference every year (which, in theory, means you get any given non-conference team at home once every 8 years). It only makes sense that you play your own division and own league way more often.
And I honestly doubt Colorado or St. Louis fans care about the Yankees as much as you seem to think they do. If the choice was playing the Yankees three times or getting another series against the Cubs or Dodgers, they'll take the Cubs or Dodgers. You might as well be arguing that Oregon football fans should get to see Nebraska more than once a century.
unofan
Well-known member
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
But you still get that one game. Which is one more than you should have, especially if you finish 3rd in your division.
But you still get that one game. Which is one more than you should have, especially if you finish 3rd in your division.