Minnesotans whining about the shutdown

[St. Clown]

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Ari used to bartend at the Refuge.

Also, why do bars let their permits get so close to expiring? Seems like its their own fault.

He's having a bad run of luck with the bars he works. He's also the guy that shot me with the drink gun when I was at the Refuge. We got a free round out of it, so it's all good.

Joke's on them. No one actually drinks Miller Lite.

This is like your comment that nobody listens to the KQ morning show either. The thing is, because it's you, I can't tell if you're serious or just being a sarcastic ***.

 

[Bakunin]

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This is going to kill Miller and Coors products...now people will be forced to try actual beer, and most won't go back...

Blue Moon is decent.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Despite the shutdown, the state has managed to fix the timing of the stoplights on Hwy 65. For about 3 weeks the timing was all effed during rush hour and it killed the flow of traffic, now I've had 3 commutes in a row that the lights have been timed perfectly to maximize the flow of traffic. Shutdown FTW.

 

[Bakunin]

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Is that sort of thing dealt with by the state? It might be a county issue (or municipality if the state highway is within a city's boundaries).

The stoplights on my commute do nothing but **** me. They're all sensor driven at night, so any cross traffic trips them.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Is that sort of thing dealt with by the state? It might be a county issue (or municipality if the state highway is within a city's boundaries).

The stoplights on my commute do nothing but **** me. They're all sensor driven at night, so any cross traffic trips them.

I think it is the state's responsibility when it is a state highway like 65. I know that that a co-worker of mine always calls the state of MN about stoplights being mis-timed on his commute, and they actually do go fix them if they're not optimized.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Dayton Caves to Republicans June 30 proposal:
http://www.twincities.com/ci_18476517?nclick_check=1
He will call a special session.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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It's too bad our goverment (state and federal) will never be serious about fixing the way spending works and reducing our debts. It's always going to be about whats best for them personally.

Plenty of things in my mind that should be no brainers.

- Spend equal to or less than you bring in
- Tax everyone equally (or near equal if there is a legitimate reason to have a scaled tax)
- Tax Alcohol, Tobacco, and Gambling
- Stop waging wars (which should lead to...)
- Spend less on Military/Defense
- Stop subsidizing oil
- Cut or Reform programs that aren't working
- User fees for stadiums/arena's instead of city taxes.

 

[unofan]

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It's too bad our goverment (state and federal) will never be serious about fixing the way spending works and reducing our debts. It's always going to be about whats best for them personally.

Plenty of things in my mind that should be no brainers.

- Spend equal to or less than you bring in
- Tax everyone equally (or near equal if there is a legitimate reason to have a scaled tax)

While the rest are probably no brainers, these 2 are not.

The first one is fine as a long term, overarching proposition. Less so when you understand that shiat happens, and sometimes deficit spending is appropriate. Good luck trying to craft a bill with any teeth that allows short term deficits while promoting long term stability, however.

The 2nd isn't even close to being a no brainer, and I would argue is the opposite of what should be the no brainer. Adam Smith himself advocated a progressive taxation structure. While everyone's personal utility (in the economic sense, meaning enjoyment or happiness derived therefrom) assessment is unique, it is axiomatic that the marginal value of the 1,000,000th dollar of income is far less than the marginal value of the 100th, or the 1000th. It makes far more sense to take more from the higher earners simply because they can afford it more, and are deriving more benfits from the system that treats them so well.

A flat tax sounds great at first glance. It sucks in reality. It sucks even more when its turned into a VAT/sales tax rather than income.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Pay more because you have more? Wow is that crappy logic.

I'm glad that model isn't implemented across the board. Where we have to give our yearly income before we checkout at grocery stores so they can adjust the prices.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Pay more because you have more? Wow is that crappy logic.

I'm glad that model isn't implemented across the board. Where we have to give our yearly income before we checkout at grocery stores so they can adjust the prices.

If its a %, then you pay more if you have more with your plan also.

30% of 250,000 is quite a bit more than 30% of 25,000, not that I disagree with you.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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If its a %, then you pay more if you have more with your plan also.

30% of 250,000 is quite a bit more than 30% of 25,000, not that I disagree with you.

Of course you do, which is another reason we shouldn't need to scale the tax percentages. They already are paying more based on percent.

Just like tax on a restaurant bill. The percent stays the same, but your bill alters the total tax.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Of course you do, which is another reason we shouldn't need to scale the tax percentages. They already are paying more based on percent.

Just like tax on a restaurant bill. The percent stays the same, but your bill alters the total tax.

yeah, I understand. I'm just trying to ruffle some feathers.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Of course you do, which is another reason we shouldn't need to scale the tax percentages. They already are paying more based on percent.

Just like tax on a restaurant bill. The percent stays the same, but your bill alters the total tax.

I agree with a flat percentage but I would settle for just making sure the last dollar isn't taxed at a rate higher than 15% more than the first dollar.

 

[unofan]

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Pay more because you have more? Wow is that crappy logic.

You're free to move to that libertarian paradise in Rwanda if you want to. I hear they tax everyone equally.

 

[unofan]

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Of course you do, which is another reason we shouldn't need to scale the tax percentages.

Taxes are scaled because a comparatively poor person spends more on necessities, and you can only take so much blood from a turnip. The founding father of capitalism understood this facet of economics.

It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Taxes are scaled because a comparatively poor person spends more on necessities, and you can only take so much blood from a turnip. The founding father of capitalism understood this facet of economics.

But where do you draw the line...

 

[kdilks]

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I think it is the state's responsibility when it is a state highway like 65. I know that that a co-worker of mine always calls the state of MN about stoplights being mis-timed on his commute, and they actually do go fix them if they're not optimized.

To hopefully break up the tax chat...yes, MnDOT is responsible for US/State/Interstate highways, and it stops being a state highway once maintenance is transferred to the local level (see: every state highway that's ever run through downtown Minneapolis).

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Taxes are scaled because a comparatively poor person spends more on necessities, and you can only take so much blood from a turnip. The founding father of capitalism understood this facet of economics.

The poor also have about 1000 different programs to offset those costs. But if we eliminated those to help cut overall cost I would be happy to give them a better tax rate.

See I am willing to negotiate, unlike anyone in government.

 

[unofan]

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But where do you draw the line...

Probably somewhere less than the 90% top marginal rate we had a half a century ago, but more than today's current rates. A return to the Clinton-era rates would be a significent start.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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To hopefully break up the tax chat...yes, MnDOT is responsible for US/State/Interstate highways, and it stops being a state highway once maintenance is transferred to the local level (see: every state highway that's ever run through downtown Minneapolis).

Ok, that makes complete sense. So now my question is: Would a highway like 65, north of 694, which is a major highway ahve its maintenance transferred to the local level or is that covered by MN DOT? (Since this is more interesting than beating the tax dead horse, I'll keep going with it)