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Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

I'm not sure these officials even know what half of the infractions are.

they nabbed one of the Buckeyes after the 2nd Cameranesi goal for cross checking, after Dani pointed it out to the official

apparently the officials just need a little help

kinda crazy they let so much go during the game that affected play, then once play is over, they decide to call one

I wonder if they are calling games similar out east, that could be bad for WCHA teams if they have been stricter with the calls once the NCAA start (or good if it's a WCHA official)
 
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Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

they nabbed one of the Buckeyes after the 2nd Cameranesi goal for cross checking, after Dani pointed it out to the official

apparently the officials just need a little help

kinda crazy they let so much go during the game that affected play, then once play is over, they decide to call one

I wonder if they are calling games similar out east, that could be bad for WCHA teams if they have been stricter with the calls once the NCAA start (or good if it's a WCHA official)

I watched some of the BU-Harvard game Feb 9 and some of the Quinnipiac-Clarkson game Feb 13 and it definitely looked like they were calling penalties that have not been being called in our games.
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

I watched some of the BU-Harvard game Feb 9 and some of the Quinnipiac-Clarkson game Feb 13 and it definitely looked like they were calling penalties that have not been being called in our games.
I'm watching Harvard at Colgate, and they aren't calling much.
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

I watched some of the BU-Harvard game Feb 9 and some of the Quinnipiac-Clarkson game Feb 13 and it definitely looked like they were calling penalties that have not been being called in our games.

I had a perfect view of the cross check call, the back ref's arm went up as soon as it occurred. There was no lobbying for it. I think at that point they were worried things could go south in a hurry if they didn't draw a line. The called several penalties in the aftermath and it probably had its intended result. They still let a lot of stuff go on Friday and up until it was 3-0 which tells me they know what they are doing and are intentionally not calling penalties. The only question now is, why?
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

they know what they are doing and are intentionally not calling penalties. The only question now is, why?


There is this....when it comes to penalty kill attempts per game WCHA teams are way low in the country, it actually looks pretty extreme:
Minnesota is 35th (last)
Bemidji is 34th
St Cloud is 33rd
UMD is 27th
Wisconsin is 25th
North Dakota 24th
It's kind of hard to believe the WCHA teams play that much cleaner or less rough than the rest of the country :p

Conversely, the CHA has 4 teams in the top ten of PKA per game
Mercyhurst 2
RIT 3
Robert Morris 4
Lindenwood 9.

For the record Ohio State is 6th in the country in PKA per game and Penn State is lowest in the CHA at 18th in the country.

The ECAC and Hockey East both are somewhere near close to splitting the difference between the other two conferences.
 
Then there's the other extreme... Saturday's Northeastern vs. Providence games featured 19 minors. Only 6 of those were of the matching variety.
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

Then there's the other extreme... Saturday's Northeastern vs. Providence games featured 19 minors. Only 6 of those were of the matching variety.
I was watching some of that game. It isn't like the referees were making stuff up. If you hook and hold and run people over and they sit you down for two minutes, you can either quit doing it or be prepared to sit some more.
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

The favorite player of the guy I sit next to at Ridder is Kelsey Cline. That said I don't think even he would disagree totally with FiveHoleFrenzy's statement concerning her lack of necessary quickness, fluidity and I might add just plain speed to play a regular defensive shift. I thought she played much better Saturday than on Friday and even made a couple nice "rushes" into the offensive zone.

The Gophers need some solution to having to play their top four defensemen so much. I'm just not sure what it is.
 
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The favorite player of the guy I sit next to at Ridder is Kelsey Cline. That said I don't think even he would disagree totally with FiveHoleFrenzy's statement concerning her lack of necessary quickness, fluidity and I might add just plain speed. I thought she played much better Saturday than on Friday and even made a couple nice "rushes" into the offensive zone.

The Gophers need some solution to having to play their top four defensemen so much. I'm just not sure what it is.
My view is that Kelsey Cline is a great player. She is on scholarship at one of the top three programs in Division 1.

Like some of the rest of you I sometimes wish she was a little bit better but that doesn't change my underlying opinion.

Kelsey Cline is a great player.
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

I had already amended my post to include "a regular shift." Maybe the answer is to shift Brook or Kelsey in and out occasionally throughout the game to give the top four a little more time off the ice.

I think Brook and Kelsey are both good players, but would reserve the label of truly great ones to players such as Wall, Bozek and Stecklein to name just three.
 
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I think Brook is a good player, but would reserve the label of truly great ones to players such as Wall, Bozek and Stecklein to name just three.
Noted and I agree.

Great hockey player when viewed in the context of all hockey players.

When viewed in the context of all who have played D for the Gophers?

You have named three of the greatest Gopher D but I would add to your list Anne Schlepper, Melanie Gagnon, Anya Miller, Courtney Kennedy, Rachel Ramsey and Ronda Curtin.

The Gophers have had lots of really, really talented women play defense.
 
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I agree with your list of players. The three I mentioned just immediately came to mind. Seeing Melanie's name made me smile. She was one of my favorite players during that period of time. We used to see her ordering pizza at "The Leaning Tower of Pizza" after some of the games. I also remember a story one of the players told at the senior night dinner concerning Melanie. It had to do with Melanie skating out to join some of her teammates at center ice during a practice. The rest of the players suddenly all skated away at once. Melanie replied, "What?' It still makes me laugh.

My wife says I should add that there was more to the story about Melanie than I had mentioned above. Yes there was. My wife also said that when I was over buying a photo of Melanie at the dinner she had told her she was my favorite player so she came over and signed the photo and as my wife said was very gracious to us. Yes she was.
 
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I've never been one to criticize college players (men or women) individually on a public forum like this, as long as in my opinion they are giving it their 100% best effort and making the most of every shift they're out there for. Realizing that some games are more critical than others, and that it's nearly impossible (or even wise) for any given player to give it more than their 100% a 100% of the time, I've tried to temper any public commentary I may have, knowing that everyone is blessed with varying degrees of natural talent, and you just want to see everyone making the most of the talent they do have on a consistent basis. This, I believe, is the hallmark of Coach Frost-coached teams (with due plus credit to his extremely capable assistants!). His players are not always at their best in terms of execution, but when they are on - which is most of the time and when they really need to be on in order to win the game - they are usually, nearly unstoppable. Pressure, pressure, pressure...then goal. Then repeat...usually in the 2nd and 3rd periods when so often the continual pressure wears their opponents down.

Having Amanda Kessel back has obviously increased the constant pressure on the opposing D, and the new Pannek-Schipper-Cameranesi line has made it that much more difficult for opposing teams to defend the Gophers' formidable offense. Since Kessel's return both lines have become pretty much equally troublesome for opponents' defenses. And the third line of Piazza-Skarzynski-Williamson is very capable of generating plenty of offense on their own, while defensively matching up well with any line the opposing coach can throw at them.

What perhaps is most encouraging, heading into the final weeks of the season, has been the play of Amanda Leveille in goal. Her steady - and sometimes spectacular play when called upon - has obviously given the whole team a new level of confidence when handing the puck in their own end. In the second half Leveille - by my count - has stopped 300 of 313 shots, for a save percentage of .9585. Not sure how this compares with other leading goaltenders, but it has to rank right up there with the very best.

North Dakota will obviously present a formidable challenge, as their continued post season hopes are on the line. It goes without saying that the Gophers will need to be operating on all cylinders to beat them, both offensively and defensively. We'll have the home ice advantage, but to put them away I really think it will take everyone performing at their very best to secure the win and advance to the Final Faceoff Final. Right now, that's the only thing that matters.
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

I agree that it is not a good idea to criticize non-professional hockey players who are certainly giving it everything they have out on the ice. They certainly don't need to be reminded of a misplay they might have made by fans.

On a lighter note, my favorite player in mid-sixties for the Gophers and later on for the Saints was Len Lilyholm and if he made a bad pass I always blamed it on the soft ice at the St Paul Civic Center and not him. Now that I think about it since he helped in the design of the Civic Center as an architect maybe that bad pass was his fault in a way.

So my wife and I were watching the Gophers defeat Maryland the other day and the phone rings and my wife says it's the U of M calling to thank us for our contributions to Gopher athletics. I ask is it Dani Cameranesi? Dani had called us last year to thank us for our support. My wife said no it's a guy, Larry or something. So I took the phone and told him I was a little disappointed he wasn't Dani Cameranesi calling again. There was a pause and I said you don't know who Dani is do you? He said no he had never heard of him. I suggested he go to a Gopher women's hockey game and he could watch her play and that she is really something. He said he would. I hope he went to Saturday's game.
 
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The favorite player of the guy I sit next to at Ridder is Kelsey Cline. That said I don't think even he would disagree totally with FiveHoleFrenzy's statement concerning her lack of necessary quickness, fluidity and I might add just plain speed to play a regular defensive shift. I thought she played much better Saturday than on Friday and even made a couple nice "rushes" into the offensive zone.

The Gophers need some solution to having to play their top four defensemen so much. I'm just not sure what it is.

Looking at the 2013/2014 recruiting class provides some insight into why they are playing 4 defensemen so much. Paige Haley and Kelsey Cline, as defense recruits have not been able to crack the top four defensemen rotation and in particular, Haley has been a better fit playing forward. I think Wolfe was recruited to play forward and has transitioned to D pretty well so that has helped the top four. Garzone's versatility helps so she can be the 5th defensemen, but with apologies to those that think Cline is a great player, pairing Garzone and Cline together is not an ideal situation for the Gophers. Sharzynski would be an option but she has filled in very well for Reilly, playing forward on the third line.
 
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I think Wolfe was recruited to play forward and has transitioned to D pretty well so that has helped the top four.

Sharzynski would be an option but she has filled in very well for Reilly, playing forward on the third line.

I'd like to adjust just slightly re :Wolfe :D Since the latter part of last year, despite a blip or two, I think she has transitioned extremely well. I think now she is great back there!

I think Skarzynski has played quite a bit better at forward.
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

A quiet yes to all of the above concerning the Gopher defense by FiveHoleFrenzy. I think rotating Cline or Garzone in occasionally to pair up with one of the top four defensemen might help to prevent the top four from wearing down from playing too many shifts. The same as has been done with Brandt or another top forward with the 4th line occasionally.
 
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The Gopher coaches haven't made many decisions in recent years that are open to being second guessed, but I think that in hindsight, they could have handled the bottom of the D rotation better than they did. One of their jobs is to put people into positions where they can have success. Too many of Cline's shifts this year were with Skarzynski and vice versa. Confidence is such a key component. I remember talking with Joel Johnson about Baylee Gillanders early in her career, and he'd advised her to "buy some confidence." As a freshman, a lot of her shifts were spent with Sam Downey, who was one of those conversion-project defensemen. I still have a nightmare image of Kelli Stack torching them in the NCAAs. As a sophomore and junior, Gillanders wound up playing with Megan Bozek most of the time. It's amazing how much more confident one gets with a strong partner, and by senior year, Gillanders had blossomed. As a senior, I thought she had the best Frozen Four of any of the Minnesota D.

Over her first season and a half, Cline was a pleasant surprise. Down the stretch last year, she was often the odd player out when the team reduced its rotation to five D, and I thought her confidence took a hit. Rather than trying to build it back up this year, the coaches played her mainly with Skarzynski, who was learning, or Garzone, who was once again being shifted. It was only after the second goal allowed on Friday that a lightbulb went on and Cline started getting shifts with Stecklein and Garzone was mainly with McMillen. Had Cline and Skarzynski been getting more shifts with the top D over the course of the year, maybe it wouldn't have been necessary to shift Garzone back. The D seldom have the luxury of hesitating, but it is hard to react instinctively when you're in the bottom pair and often out with a young third or fourth line.
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

Piazza gave up 5 goals the entire season before being moved to the third line. Since then she has given up 5 goals in 6 games.
Prior to the change Williamson had given up 4 goals, she too has given up 5 goals in the 6 games since.
Garzone had only given up 5 goals, since moving to D she's given up 7.
Cline has given up 3 in this same period.
If the two of you who have concluded Cline is slow and not up to the task did so based upon Friday's game, that is understandable, but the fact is the entire third line and 3rd set of D got torched Friday, not just one player. In fact, Cline has given up the fewest goals of that group since the lineup has changed.
this years goals scored to goals given up, at even strength thus far:
19 8.33
20 6.00
9 5.80
26 5.80
6 5.22
12 5.18
2 5.20
3 5.00
15 5.00
22 4.31
13 4.20
21 3.69
10 3.60
8 3.50
5 2.70
11 2.67
23 2.33
7 1.78
4 1.50
18 1.50
no goals have been scored on 17, therefore no ratio

as usual, freshmen are near the bottom, well most of them anyway
what's more interesting than the ratio, is the distribution, as noted above, when compared to lineup changes
 
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Gopher website & WCHA website does not agree on +/- for several Gophers
Gopher website gives one less than WCHA for 5 players
26 47/48
2 41/42
9 47/48
18 5/6
7 6/7
which would improve the ratio slightly for them if the WCHA stats are correct
 
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