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Minnesota @ Wisconsin: 1/30 & 1/31

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: 1/30 & 1/31

ScoobyDoo said:
Bottom line is unlike you Gurtholfin most hockey fans try to justify these hits or excuse the hitter. And we only suspend guys (he's getting one game for it) 1 game for this stuff? And they really expect players to stop doing it?

Please.
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Yeah, the "He should have had his head up" or the "Back when I played, that was a good hit" arguments are always fun.


Long and short is that I believe these guys are out there to put their skills and intangibles on the line for our entertainment.

I do not believe that they are out there to put their health on the line and this is why rules need to be in place to eliminate (or at least limit the frequency of) overly dangerous plays.
 
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Bonin21 said:
Chris Dilks nailed it. If the Big Ten wants to make a statement, suspensions shouldn't happen until the conference tournament. The badgers season is over, so one game or five games for a player doesn't mean much.
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Except that if your PWR is high enough you can just pile up all the suspensions you want without really being penalized much as a team. I disagree that there's no penalty to a team even in UW's position. Finishing in 5th is different than 6th for example when it comes to who you'll play in the first round of the conference tournament.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Except that if your PWR is high enough you can just pile up all the suspensions you want without really being penalized much as a team.
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Because a good team would ever pile up suspensions and not want to win conference playoff games to improve its PWR.
 
Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: 1/30 & 1/31

Bonin21 said:
Because a good team would ever pile up suspensions and not want to win conference playoff games to improve its PWR.
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I think the point is the penalties are not necessarily equitable. And once a team, good or not, has x number of penalties, there's continually less incentive to not get more. There are all sorts of circumstances where this idea wouldn't be equitable besides that. Getting multiple penalties throughout the season still only jeopardizes one playoff game if you lose it, rather than several regular season games you need to win for positioning and PWR.
 
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For what it's worth, as far as I can tell Mcguire has never had a major penalty before. In 3 years of juniors he totals 40 PIM and this was his third penalty (now 9 PIM) in 21 games this year.
 
Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: 1/30 & 1/31

Wisko McBadgerton said:
For what it's worth, as far as I can tell Mcguire has never had a major penalty before. In 3 years of juniors he totals 40 PIM and this was his third penalty (now 9 PIM) in 21 games this year.
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So? Suter had never been penalized in the NHL before and he got two games for doing less than McGuire did here.

They should just put fighting and the code back in the game I guess cause things aren't any better now than they were before we just pretend it is to make ourselves feel better.
 
Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: 1/30 & 1/31

Wisko McBadgerton said:
Getting multiple penalties throughout the season still only jeopardizes one playoff game if you lose it, rather than several regular season games you need to win for positioning and PWR.
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There are smart people that would have plenty of time to figure out how to handle uncertain numbers of games. Carry over games to the next year. If it's a Senior, handle it differently. The objective is to teach a lesson.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So? Suter had never been penalized in the NHL before and he got two games for doing less than McGuire did here.

They should just put fighting and the code back in the game I guess cause things aren't any better now than they were before we just pretend it is to make ourselves feel better.
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I don't really have an issue with your general point of view on this topic. I would have an issue with your statement that this was the "dirtiest knee hit in 25 years of hockey."

McGuire's past doesn't speak at all to whether or not he should be penalized on this play. It's irrelevant.

It does however speak to the type of player he has been.
 
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i don't know what hit you folks are looking at but the one I'm looking at has the guy going straight for the knee and nothing else. He doesn't even try to avoid it.
 
Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: 1/30 & 1/31

I don't like that play, nor the end result. Probably warranted a full weekend off if not a couple. In a way, you can argue Reilly turned to his left to change the impact point....but it still looks to me like mcGuire has a chance to pull his leg out as he passes and made the bad choice to leave his leg there to clip him a bit. High speed/split second....yes. Contact point changes before impact....somewhat. Should have been avoided....absolutely.

As far as the demeanor in the penalty box, I was directly across behind the benches and suspect whatever the camera captured was in response to #5 of the Gophers (kid's brother I assume) adamantly gesturing toward the box.
 
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I personally think the hit was 'malicious' in that he easily could have done more to avoid the contact, it was a dangerous play and deserved a bigger suspension.

[edit] After re-watching the video a couple more times, I have to say I think Harley is even more off in his assessment of the hit than I originally thought. The view from behind McGuire is extremely telling in this instance.
 
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Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: 1/30 & 1/31

Slap Shot said:
I personally think the hit was 'malicious' in that he easily could have done more to avoid the contact, it was a dangerous play and deserved a bigger suspension.
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So because he didn't do everything that he possibly could to avoid the hit it becomes malicious? I don't buy it.

If it truly was a malicious hit then he would have not made any effort to avoid the hit, and would have made some motion with his right leg to maximize the impact.

I think he made some effort to avoid the hit, perhaps not everything he could have possibly done, and would rather classify it as a reckless hit.
 
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KaMiGo said:
So because he didn't do everything that he possibly could to avoid the hit it becomes malicious? I don't buy it.

If it truly was a malicious hit then he would have not made any effort to avoid the hit, and would have made some motion with his right leg to maximize the impact.

I think he made some effort to avoid the hit, perhaps not everything he could have possibly done, and would rather classify it as a reckless hit.
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The way we contort ourselves to justify this crap is mind boggling.

Yes, he should do everything he can to not hit a player with his knee. There's no place in the game for that, anywhere.
 
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KaMiGo said:
So because he didn't do everything that he possibly could to avoid the hit it becomes malicious? I don't buy it.
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In this case, yes. And I don't see where he made any effort to avoid it, you'd have to be delusional to think that.
 
KaMiGo said:
If it truly was a malicious hit then he would have not made any effort to avoid the hit, and would have made some motion with his right leg to maximize the impact.
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Watch the view from behind him again - there was no effort to avoid contact with the leg.
 
Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: 1/30 & 1/31

Slap Shot said:
Watch the view from behind him again - there was no effort to avoid contact with the leg.
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If you are watching this play on the You tube video and saying from it, you determine that McGuire was malicious. (Malicious. Definition: Intending or intended to do harm.) then you need to watch the whole play at speed on btn2go, IMO. From when Reilly swings the puck to his left, (youtube :09) until contact (youtube :11) it is less than 0.5 seconds in real time. There is no way Mcguire decides to target Reilly's knee, and then executes a perfect hit on a moving target in less than half a second at speed. McGuire said in his interview "I didn't get out of the way in time"". Which means specifically to me that in his mind he wanted to get out of the way, but he didn't, in time.

Gleaning intent from 0.5 seconds of video is a silly concept, IMO.
 
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I'm surprised we haven't had his MRI up on this thread yet.
 
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burd said:
I'm surprised we haven't had his MRI up on this thread yet.
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Well, the medical stuff is protected. I do however have a subpoena pending on an elderly woman McGuire helped across the street two weeks ago. And I am tracking down a story that McGuire risked his life rescuing a little girl's puppy an unknown perp wearing maroon and gold tossed in an icy river last winter.

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