Minnesota State Applies to the NCHC

[Tipsy McStagger]

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Check the results last time NMU was at St Cloud. NMU 6 St Cloud 2 and NMU 2-1. That clinching goal my Minnesotan Kyle Follmer looked great that Friday night.

Whoa! I take it back! Northern Michigan's hockey program is the envy of everyone else in the country, despite not winning anything of significance since 1992.

 

[davyd83]

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Whoa! I take it back! Northern Michigan's hockey program is the envy of everyone else in the country, despite not winning anything of significance since 1992.

The St Cloud coaches are class guys. As good as any in the game. The prior staff as well. St. Cloud players through the years have been a pretty good bunch as well. Most Huskies fans are outstanding as well. Most.

 

[davyd83]

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As much as some of us WCHA folks don't like the move, it would be a good move for Minnesota State. If many of us were in the position of the Mankato AD, President or Coach Mike Hastings, it definitely would be worth exploring. To have Duluth, Omaha, St. Cloud & North Dakota on the schedule every year and in their building most years is a huge plus. As much as I hate to say it, NMU, Lake State & Huntsville are unlikely to generate the excitement that their nearby rivals do.

 

[joecct]

Whoa! I take it back! Northern Michigan's hockey program is the envy of everyone else in the country, despite not winning anything of significance since 1992.

1991???

 

[ecbrevik]

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First off, as a UND fan, I'll state straight up that I would rather see Michigan Tech and Bemidji in Grand Forks every year (or most years) than Miami and Western Michigan. It is a simple matter of a traditional rival (Tech) and proximity (Bemidji) versus two schools we have no real historical or geographic connection with. That being said, what is done is done. Speculating that the old WCHA minus Minnesota and Wisconsin would have been just as good as the current NCHC is just that, speculation. We'll never know because it wasn't given a chance to happen. What has happened is that as a conference the NCHC has, despite any and all fan pleasure or displeasure with it, produced some of the best results on the ice over the last 3 years of any conference, arguably the best results of any conference. I suspect that on the whole the schools that formed the NCHC have gotten what they wanted out of it.

As to the money issue, I don't have the time to do the searching, but most of these schools are public institutions, which means their budgets are public record. A little internet work would probably tell whomever is interested enough what most of these schools spend on hockey each year, with the possible exception of schools like DU and CC. My bet is that Miami and Western spend a good deal more than schools like Tech and Bemidji, and that as a conference average the NCHC schools spend a good deal more than the new WCHA schools. The schools that formed the NCHC were afraid of being left behind by the BIG, that is what this really came down to, and they wanted members who were committed to spending the kind of money on hockey they felt would be necessary to be competitive in the future. Whether or not that was the right move depends on your perspective, but it is the move that was made and the move that all of us must now live with until/unless the next big shake-up comes.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

1991???

They won a conference tournament in 1992. National titles aren't the only significant prize

 

[burd]

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Whoa! I take it back! Northern Michigan's hockey program is the envy of everyone else in the country, despite not winning anything of significance since 1992.

But boy, that Drake, Hiller, Beattie, et al. team was fun to watch. Not the Hrkac Circus maybe, but a treat.

 

[John J. MacInnes]

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Whoa! I take it back! Northern Michigan's hockey program is the envy of everyone else in the country, despite not winning anything of significance since 1992.

I'm looking here for the last time that St. Clod won the NCAA title.

Still looking.

Still looking.

Hmmm.

 

[St. Clown]

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I'm looking here for the last time that St. Clod won the NCAA title.

Still looking.

Still looking.

Hmmm.

It's been 41 years since Tech won it all. That was before I was even born. So I'm looking for the last time Tech won anything during my lifetime - conference regular season, conference tournament, or national tournament.

Still looking.

Still looking.

Hmmm... That's a long, long time of being a completely irrelevant program. Sure would suck to be Tech, hanging your hat on a time when disco and Motown ruled top 40 radio.

 

[UpNorthHockey]

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When NCHC admits Kato and ASU, they'll be at ten. The next time they want to cherry pick more teams, I bet they start bouncing existing members. I think CC and Western will eventually get the axe in favor of the teams du jour. NCHC is based solely on profit and looking out for number 1....no loyalty.

 

[St. Clown]

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When NCHC admits Kato and ASU, they'll be at ten. The next time they want to cherry pick more teams, I bet they start bouncing existing members. I think CC and Western will eventually get the axe in favor of the teams du jour. NCHC is based solely on profit and looking out for number 1....no loyalty.

DU needs/wants CC in the conference for putting butts in the seats at Magness Arena. It's a rivalry game, and if the two were split between conferences the attendance would certainly be affected.

 

[Dirty]

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Don't be ridiculous, the NCHC isn't solely about money. It's also about winning.

 

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

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DU needs/wants CC in the conference for putting butts in the seats at Magness Arena. It's a rivalry game, and if the two were split between conferences the attendance would certainly be affected.

Not to mention that CC averages well over 6000 patrons per game. That's more than Miami State and Western combined.


This is interesting... http://gazette.com/silence-says-more-than-announcement-in-churning-nchc-expansion-rumor-mill/article/1580804

 

[manurespreader]

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Not to mention that CC averages well over 6000 patrons per game. That's more than Miami State and Western combined.


This is interesting... http://gazette.com/silence-says-more-than-announcement-in-churning-nchc-expansion-rumor-mill/article/1580804

That's not going to continue for long if they keep losing..... And if they do win a few games, lets say 5 or 6 more, it's at the expense of some NCHC teams. So go out and figure where your team would be last year if they had lost even one game to CC,.... or WMU,.... or Miami. (Those guys weren't winning I don't think.) But I'd bet if Miami had won even 1 of the last 4 they played at Duluth, there would have been 1 less NCHC team in the tourney.
I don't doubt BG is shopping around at the NCHC, the travel in the WCHA is pretty brutal after all, but the NCHC travel isn't great and it would mean a lot more long bus rides to Minnesota.

 

[ecbrevik]

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That's not going to continue for long if they keep losing..... And if they do win a few games, lets say 5 or 6 more, it's at the expense of some NCHC teams. So go out and figure where your team would be last year if they had lost even one game to CC,.... or WMU,.... or Miami. (Those guys weren't winning I don't think.) But I'd bet if Miami had won even 1 of the last 4 they played at Duluth, there would have been 1 less NCHC team in the tourney.
I don't doubt BG is shopping around at the NCHC, the travel in the WCHA is pretty brutal after all, but the NCHC travel isn't great and it would mean a lot more long bus rides to Minnesota.

Not necessarily, CC could get those 5 or 6 wins (or most of them) in non-conference play, which would actually help the conference as a whole.

 

[manurespreader]

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Not necessarily, CC could get those 5 or 6 wins (or most of them) in non-conference play, which would actually help the conference as a whole.

I don't agree. they might get 1 additional non con win, if they were a better team, but with the majority of the games vs the league, the majority of the wins would come that way too it seems to me.

 

[JohnsonsJerseys]

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I'm looking for the last time Tech won anything during my lifetime - conference regular season, conference tournament, or national tournament. Still looking. Still looking. Sure would suck to be Tech, hanging your hat on a time when disco and Motown ruled top 40 radio.

Do you officiate in your spare time? I'm sensing a vision problem. Might want to look again under the 2015-2016 results.

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If three rusty nails are where Tech fans hang their hats, I guess that's better than having to throw it on the floor at SCSU because you don't have any nails at all. If you like having a shiny empty wall with nothing on it, feel free to criticize our rusty old national championships all you like. It will be a minimum of four seasons until you surpass Michigan Tech in that category. Want to talk about futility? Feel free to discuss the 50+ years it took SCSU to even field a D-I hockey team... in the "State of Hockey".

Ryan J

 

[Slap Shot]

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Obviously the ratios have ebbed and flowed over time, but MI has about 4.5m more residents than MN per the most recent comparison I checked.

 

[uaafanblog]

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DU needs/wants CC in the conference for putting butts in the seats at Magness Arena. It's a rivalry game, and if the two were split between conferences the attendance would certainly be affected.

Rivalry games are easily played out of conference. Both DU and CC manage to play Air Force every year. That has nothing to do with why CC won't get booted from the BHHC. Someone's gonna finish last ... every season someone has to. It's the way "standings" work. Do conference foes give a crap if it's CC every year? No. They don't. They're happy to have the walkover wins.

Clown was the perfect nick to choose for you. Congrats on that.

You can't spell SUCkS without SCSU.

 

[St. Clown]

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Rivalry games are easily played out of conference. Both DU and CC manage to play Air Force every year. That has nothing to do with why CC won't get booted from the BHHC. Someone's gonna finish last ... every season someone has to. It's the way "standings" work. Do conference foes give a crap if it's CC every year? No. They don't. They're happy to have the walkover wins.

Clown was the perfect nick to choose for you. Congrats on that.

You can't spell SUCkS without SCSU.

Rivalries are far stronger when both teams are in the same conference than when they're not. Look at the Northstar Cup that the Gophers and 3 of the 4 other schools play in each year. Really, it's just not as much fun watching the team beat up on Goldy when no conference points are on the line. A Northstar Cup win just isn't the as good as a regular season conference game win.

Also, there's a difference between rivalries and traditions. In football, I'm pretty sure Notre Dame doesn't view Navy as a rivalry gsme, but rather a tradition. Do the Irish want to beat Navy? Yes, of course, but it's just not that exciting because you're 99% certain of the outcome going into the game. Notre Dame playing Michigan? Now that's a rivalry game and everyone involved is excited for it.

Perhaps a UAA fan would understand rivalries better if the school wasn't a perennial doormat team and relegated to the unwanted tradition (bother, really) of their fellow conference teams forced to play UAA each year.


And yes, Clown was a good choice for my handle. In fact, it was such a good choice, I've never had cause to change it.