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Minnesota hosts Wisconsin: 11/29 & 11/30

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Agree Eods --I hope everyone involved: players, refs, announcers, everyone -- watched the Ugly Helmets/OSU game.... That was a great game all the way around. (Michigan wins it in OT 4-3) All those kids left it on the ice tonight in an exciting game.

Let's everybody crank it up several notches for tomorrow.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
I am seldom one to complain about calls --eventually they generally balance out-- but the interference call on Mersch was terrible, and rather then sucking it up and taking it, or just evening it up, this guy calls a bench minor on Eaves for complaining about the truly terrible call he just made? That's not controlling the game, that's changing the game.

Post-game Shuey was barely restraining his apoplexy, saying all Eaves said at that point was "Be consistent." (We know that's absolutely true because Shuey was a Badger and Badgers don't make stuff up.) I would have been all over them, too, at that point.
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It was a very borderline interference, but what you failed to see is that there was a lot of borderline interference going on up to that point. Eventually you are going to be called for one. The same thing happened to Warning. The trend in the game is to try to do away with that stuff. Get used to it.

As for the bench minor, pretty clear Eaves through a hissy fit. Before the game was even 10 minutes old Eaves was standing at the edge of the boards three different times crying for the refs to come over and listen to his tantrum. The ref clearly had enough. And good for him. Eaves kept his tantrums to himself from then on.

The guy is seriously embarrassing.
 
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Stauber1 said:
It was a very borderline interference, but what you failed to see is that there was a lot of borderline interference going on up to that point. Eventually you are going to be called for one. .
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I see...

So what you are saying is that the refs let a lot of borderline interference go to that point, and then just arbitrarily decided to call it? Based on what? That's how it's supposed to go?

From your description it sounds to me like Eaves was spot on in asking for consistency.
 
Gurtholfin said:
No, it wasn't.
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I agree it shouldn't have been called. Very weak. But by the letter of the law, it technically was. He changed his position to impede the progress of an opposing player that did not have the puck without trying to make a play on the puck himself.

But again, that was weak. I felt that he let him go (got out of his way) in time.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I hope that wasn't anyone's introduction to the game, college hockey, either of this programs or this rivalry: as it underwhelmed all expectations on each front.
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I completely agree. The feelings I was getting when I switched it to BTN for OSU-Michigan was completely different. I love Minnesota vs. Wisconsin hockey games, and that was odd. Hopefully everyone - fans, players, TV crew - will be more juiced up for tomorrow's game!
 
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state of hockey said:
I agree it shouldn't have been called. Very weak. But by the letter of the law, it technically was. He changed his position to impede the progress of an opposing player that did not have the puck without trying to make a play on the puck himself.

But again, that was weak. I felt that he let him go (got out of his way) in time.
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I typically don't gripe too much about calls and we didn't lose because of it, but I'm thinking Stauber didn't get a look at a replay since he was at the game.

I think the refs struggled tonight and contributed to the choppy (non) pace.


Oh well. Whatever.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
I see...

So what you are saying is that the refs let a lot of borderline interference go to that point, and then just arbitrarily decided to call it? Based on what? That's how it's supposed to go?

From your description it sounds to me like Eaves was spot on in asking for consistency.
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If you teeter on the edge like that sometimes you are going to tip off. Keep playing with fire and you're going to get burned. Pick your cliche.

That's funny. "You let us kinda-sorta break the rules before, why can't we keep doing it over and over? waahhh!"

Like I said, run through the list of coaches and you can't find one who would have been up against the boards on his bench crying to the refs 3 times in the first 10 minutes like that. I'd be embarrassed by that guy, but I guess if it is what you see from him game in and game out you just think it's normal.

It was pretty funny watching him stand in the player box after his entire team went in the locker room for the 1st intermission, waiting for the refs to come over, and then watching him sulk away when they didn't even look at him.
 
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Hate to see how p i s s y you'd be had you guys lost.


Look up a replay of that "penalty."

You're hurting the curve for "college hockey's most knowledgeable fans."
 
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Dear Wisconsin,

The last thing you should be concerned about is taking a penalty against this Gopher team. In fact putting them on the power play is one of the best ways to defend this squad. So, if the Refs want to call the random interference penalty against you welcome it with open arms.

Signed,
Any Rational Human Being
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Hate to see how p i s s y you'd be had you guys lost.


Look up a replay of that "penalty."

You're hurting the curve for "college hockey's most knowledgeable fans."
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That you all think a bad call makes it ok for a coach to act so childish and cost his team yet another penalty is pretty...well, to use your word, special.
It's not about a single call. The guy is a chronic whiner. Like I said, run through the list of coaches and Eaves is up at the top of the list.

If you want to quibble over a call like that that's your prerogative. But we can all point to bad calls in games. Not many of us can point to coaches throwing a hissy fit warranting a bench minor because of them. If you honestly think all he said was "be consistent" then you Badgers are even goofier than I thought.

As for the call itself, it wasn't totally phantom. Read the definition of interference, then read this year's points of emphasis, particularly the part about "dump and chase tactics." Then go back and read earlier points of emphasis dealing with using the stick, arms or body to impede a positional advantage in pursuit of the puck.

It was a weak call. It wasn't a phantom call.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Dear Wisconsin,

The last thing you should be concerned about is taking a penalty against this Gopher team. In fact putting them on the power play is one of the best ways to defend this squad. So, if the Refs want to call the random interference penalty against you welcome it with open arms.

Signed,
Any Rational Human Being
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PS. Let's just forget about how hard it will be for you to score short handed. You should still be happy to be stuck in the box all night.

(I know what you were going for here, but still worth noting)
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
PS. Let's just forget about how hard it will be for you to score short handed. You should still be happy to be stuck in the box all night.

(I know what you were going for here, but still worth noting)
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tUMD didn't have any trouble scoring short handed on them. Wisconsin could probably do it.
 
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Stauber1 said:
That you all think a bad call makes it ok for a coach to act so childish and cost his team yet another penalty is pretty...well, to use your word, special.
It's not about a single call. The guy is a chronic whiner. Like I said, run through the list of coaches and Eaves is up at the top of the list.

If you want to quibble over a call like that that's your prerogative. But we can all point to bad calls in games. Not many of us can point to coaches throwing a hissy fit warranting a bench minor because of them. If you honestly think all he said was "be consistent" then you Badgers are even goofier than I thought.

As for the call itself, it wasn't totally phantom. Read the definition of interference, then read this year's points of emphasis, particularly the part about "dump and chase tactics." Then go back and read earlier points of emphasis dealing with using the stick, arms or body to impede a positional advantage in pursuit of the puck.

It was a weak call. It wasn't a phantom call.
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Did I say getting a bench minor was okay?

You seem awfully sensitive to coaches talking to refs. Maybe in the future you should avert your eyes from those awful displays. I don't think you can handle it.


Talk about chronic whining.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Did I say getting a bench minor was okay?

You seem awfully sensitive to coaches talking to refs. Maybe in the future you should avert your eyes from those awful displays. I don't think you can handle it.


Talk about chronic whining.
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Personally I'd like to see Eaves talking with the Refs more often. It's dang entertaining.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Personally I'd like to see Eaves talking with the Refs more often. It's dang entertaining.
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I find it comical in a sad, embarrassing sort of way. Kind of like when my 2-year-old niece has a meltdown.
Gwozdecky on the other hand, while making it far less routine than Eaves, made it comical in an entirely entertaining sort of way.
 
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Speaking of questionable calls, I couldn't tell on TV what Fasching did do to get called for roughing besides getting punched in the back of the head. As far as the refs went, the calls mellowed out after the first period and UM only had one more PP (impossible fact considering some of the commentary here) despite dominating possession. Hopefully tomorrow is much less of a snoozer from for both sides.
 
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With Wisconsin's defensive oriented trap game I was expecting the Gophers to counter with a (boring) 'dump and chase' counter-attack. But, from what I observed mostly this afternoon, I was happy to be proved wrong. I thought the Gophers' coaches prepared the team very well for the Badgers' defensive trap strategy, and for the most part were able to use the teams' speed to open things up and get the puck past the Badgers' D and win the race to the puck to create some great scoring chances. That said, there is plenty of room for improvement, especially in the D zone where at times we got caught running around too much and couldn't clear the puck when we had clear opportunities to get it out of there! There were still too many breakdowns that could have easily resulted in a Badgers' goal - in the end a combination of some puck-luck and Wilcox's skill assured the Gophers' win....just hope we don't have a letdown and a repeat of the UMD series tomorrow!
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
I'm not sure the ESPNU play by play guy has ever actually seen a hockey game before?

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His expertise is tennis, Ken Schott took him to task on his blog.

Media Schotts: Gore a bore on ESPNU's Wisconsin-Minnesota college hockey broadcast
By Ken Schott
Friday, November 29, 2013
The networks of ESPN returned to televising a regular-season college hockey game Friday after a two-year absence.

It should have stayed away.

ESPNU's coverage of the inaugural Big Ten hockey conference matchup between Wisconsin and Minnesota left a lot to be desired. You can put the blame on play-by-play announcer Sam Gore.

Gore was a big bore in calling the action. Normally a tennis play-by-play announcer for ESPN, Gore treated the call of the hockey like a tennis broadcast. But while you should be quiet during a rally in tennis, you can't be silent when the hockey game is in constant motion.

From the sound of it, Gore had no clue about the game. Rarely did he mention the names of the players. There were too many instances of awkward silence.

Gore's call of the game's first goal, scored by Wisconsin, was more of a football call than a hockey call. He said, "Yes and it's good." Did the Badgers kick a field goal?

Analyst Sean Ritchlin was talking more than Gore. At least Ritchlin, who played at Michigan, had a clue.

It is puzzling that ESPN didn't assign John Buccigross, who calls the games during the NCAA tournament, or Steve Levy, who called NHL games for the network, to do this contest. Buccigross should have been a no-brainer to be given the assignment.

Gore even used the tennis term "unforced error" to describe a turnover.

What capped it for me was, right after the Gophers scored an empty-net goal to seal a 4-1 win, Gore asked Ritchlin, "Why do you pull the goalie and bring him back?" Because the game is over!

ESPN should be embarrassed with the game coverage. Find a play-by-play announcer who knows the game.
 
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