Minnesota Gophers Season Thread 2015-16

[Slap Shot]

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What was the 'silver lining'?

Very little outside the first dozen or so minutes of the game which is precisely what I said. My point was they moved the puck well and had some scoring chances early in the game that had nothing to do with the PP, but Debbie Downer had to find a way to make it look worse.

Unfortunately, they also 1) Misfired on too many passes 2) The PP didn't look dangerous and 3) Missed the net an awful lot even from close range. For much the of rest of the game they looked out of sorts, not surprisingly like a team playing together for the first time.

As far as the Fr. Novak and Ramsey both stood out for me, Romanko unfortunately had some noticeable miscues.

 

[gopher wes]

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Thoughts from being at the game on Saturday though I did not go back and watch the DVR yet:
-Kloos was flying
-Seeler looks like a darn good defender, bright spot of the defense IMO
-Cammarata was soft as ever and made some worthless plays and passes
-I don't understand the Fasching hate at times around here. He work his *** off every shift, it just doesn't always result in goals but I think that will come
-Gophers were terrible in the neutral zone

Not giving up or anything, just not much positive to take away from that game lol

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

I like the D corp we have and over time they'll settle into a more solid positioning and puck support game. There's experience there as you said as well as some feisty physicality, which I like. They definitely weren't terrible on Sat. They won quite a few puck battles, worked the corners and in front.

But there were too many errant passes in transition that gave VM a chance to jump back and get offensive zone time. That essentially killed a lot of offensive momentum for the Gophers in the 2nd and 3rd period and they couldn't get SOG. It didn't look to me like VM ran an official trap, but their game plan to slow the Gophers down with a strong presence and forecheck in the neutral zone worked for very well for them. We saw that at times last season and I would expect to see teams use that same strategy at times against the Gophers throughout this season.

They ran a 1-3-1.

 

[SanTropez]

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They ran a 1-3-1.

Correct.

And they ran it very well, causing our young guys to give up the puck on the rush. They will learn, have to dump and chase against a team like that. It's like playing against sconny, only Vermont is better.

It probably would have been nice to have played an exhibition game before jumping into games that count, especially with 6 freshman in the lineup.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

It probably would have been nice to have played an exhibition game before jumping into games that count, especially with 6 freshman in the lineup.

I agree 100%. I think Don was tiredof all the antics we've seen in the exhibition games recently, but an exhibition would have done a lot of good for such a young team IMO.

 

[HarleyMC]

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They ran a 1-3-1.

Ok, it certainly looked very fluid in the neutral zone so I wasn't sure if it was a designed trap or not. Admittedly, I was often distracted by Brenthoven's consistent clamoring about his new taste in Belgium Pale Ale, The Horny Devil.

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[5mn_Major]

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Criticism of UW for it playing a trap is sometimes times on target, sometimes a bit over the top. VM did not play a trap...but rather a wise defensive strategy when ahead which we couldn't break.

I agree 100%. I think Don was tiredof all the antics we've seen in the exhibition games recently, but an exhibition would have done a lot of good for such a young team IMO.

Yeah. I know he said he felt like the exhibition games were not necessary. But it would have been a plus to judge the situation in advance. Knowing in prior years we should be loaded with talent...and this year that we should be loaded with freshmen. And skipped them in years that we should blow out teams...and had them in years we could in all probability greatly use one.

Thoughts from being at the game on Saturday though I did not go back and watch the DVR yet:
-I don't understand the Fasching hate at times around here. He work his *** off every shift, it just doesn't always result in goals but I think that will come

I said I think he's fine. I just don't know that he's going end up being Haula, Bjugs, Rau or Kloos kind of good.

Kloos is the man.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

Ok, it certainly looked very fluid in the neutral zone so I wasn't sure if it was a designed trap or not. Admittedly, I was often distracted by Brenthoven's consistent clamoring about his new taste in Belgium Pale Ale, The Horny Devil.

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lol

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

Criticism of UW for it playing a trap is sometimes times on target, sometimes a bit over the top. VM did not play a trap...but rather a wise defensive strategy when ahead which we couldn't break.



Yeah. I know he said he felt like the exhibition games were not necessary. But it would have been a plus to judge the situation in advance. Knowing in prior years we should be loaded with talent...and this year that we should be loaded with freshmen. And skipped them in years that we should blow out teams...and had them in years we could in all probability greatly use one.



I said I think he's fine. I just don't know that he's going end up being Haula, Bjugs, Rau or Kloos kind of good.

Kloos is the man.

Lucia said they were running the 1-3-1 in his post game. I'm going off what he said as it's hard to tell exacly on TV as you often can't see much away from the puck. Certainly explains the neutral zone issues the Gophers had.

That isn't some sort of excuse, but context for why the long stretch passes and turnovers were an issue. The team needs to be able to adjust accordingly. Get pucks in deep.

 

[D2D]

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Lucia said they were running the 1-3-1 in his post game. Going off what he said as it's hard to tell exacly on TV as you often can't see much away from the puck. Certainly explains the neutral zone issues the Gophers had.

That isn't some sort of excuse, but context for why the long stretch passes and turnovers were an issue. The team needs to be able to adjust accordingly. Get pucks in deep.

If it's so effective maybe he should teach that tactic to his team, at least to have it in his bag of strategies. I know, boring, but they don't award post-season births based on style points.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

If it's so effective maybe he should teach that tactic to his team, at least to have it in his bag of strategies. I know, boring, but they don't award post-season births based on style points.

I have never been too opposed to playing a structured game defensively. It can take a while to teach kids those systems, but they can be very effective with the right personal and right coaching.

That said, I don't think the Gophers attacked the neutral zone the right way either, which was as big of a factor. Needed more short, crisp passing, or just dump the puck and chase if there are no outlets. We either tried to stretch the ice, or carried it and turnedit over. Both created odd number situations the other way.

They'll learn (I hope)

 

[Stauber1]

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It wasn't just the system that Vermont was playing. The Gophers' decisions with the puck were painfully slow all night (even when there were options available) and their puck handling was wobbly.

I firmly believe that this team will be getting better. So I'm not freaking out or panicking over their single performance, in the first game of the year. But there were a lot of things in that game that need to be improved upon, regardless of who their opponent is or the system(s) they play.

Some people have said they feel comfortable with our defensive corp but worry about where the offense is going to come from. For me, my biggest concern is in that defensive group. You look at the 6 guys who played there on Saturday, and it leaves you wondering where those puck-moving D, that have always been a staple of Gopher hockey, are.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Some people have said they feel comfortable with our defensive corp but worry about where the offense is going to come from. For me, my biggest concern is in that defensive group. You look at the 6 guys who played there on Saturday, and it leaves you wondering where those puck-moving D, that have always been a staple of Gopher hockey, are.

Yeah, that's me. Our D have average experience. I don't expect long passes to connect in the first game...and there will probably be some passing issues in October. That's normal. But I am concerned with scoring. One could say C Reilly and Fasching are proven goal scorers. But they each have had other players carry the play to them (Rau in the case of Fasching and the PP play for Reilly) so they can finish. Cammy, Bristedt and pretty much all our freshmen seem to be support, set up guys. Outside of Kloos, I don't know of other players that can carry play and finish. If the D need to effectively defend and go beyond their usual support role to ensure we score (i.e., become a full defensive corp of M Reillys) for us to win...then folks will be disappointed in them.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

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Can't disagree with any of that fellas.

 

[HarleyMC]

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We don''t have an offensive D this season, but I envision there will be some offensive surge at times from Brodz, Seeler and Bischoff. In terms of offensive scoring, C. Reilly hasn't played since Feb. but he's got tremendous potential as a goal scorer. Fasching will get his share, but in my opinion he's a "low B" player with a limited skill set. His niche is near the paint. I think we'll see a couple FR like Gates and Novak emerge as goal scorers once they settle into their game. Vinni has always impressed me with his speed and hustle, but needs to position himself in space to be a consistent goal scorer. This team will get much better as the season progresses, and if we peak at the right time we'll be fine.

 

[D2D]

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We don''t have an offensive D this season, but I envision there will be some offensive surge at times from Brodz, Seeler and Bischoff. In terms of offensive scoring, C. Reilly hasn't played since Feb. but he's got tremendous potential as a goal scorer. Fasching will get his share, but in my opinion he's a "low B" player with a limited skill set. His niche is near the paint. I think we'll see a couple FR like Gates and Novak emerge as goal scorers once they settle into their game. Vinni has always impressed me with his speed and hustle, but needs to position himself in space to be a consistent goal scorer. This team will get much better as the season progresses, and if we peak at the right time we'll be fine.

Other than your shot at Fasching, I cannot argue with any of your other observations. Like most everyone else I do not believe Fasching has played to his potential following a promising freshman campaign. But I would argue that it takes more than a "low B" player to be on the 1st (or even 2nd) line. I'm glad he decided to come back, and I'm sure he realizes more than anybody what this year means to him in terms of securing better options when he moves to the pros next season.

 

[HarleyMC]

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Other than your shot at Fasching, I cannot argue with any of your other observations. Like most everyone else I do not believe Fasching has played to his potential following a promising freshman campaign. But I would argue that it takes more than a "low B" player to be on the 1st (or even 2nd) line. I'm glad he decided to come back, and I'm sure he realizes more than anybody what this year means to him in terms of securing better options when he moves to the pros next season.

I think Fasching is a great kid with a heart of gold evidenced by his family commitment and quite a story IIRC. But if you examine his power forward game, his stick handling skills are average, he doesn't have an extraordinary slap, wrist or snapshot, he doesn't have quick moves that put him in open space for a clear shot, he doesn't possess breakaway speed and he is not a strong two-way player.

What he does possess is 4th and 5th gear nearly every shift, a big body to camp in front, screen and score in the dirty areas, fairly consistent puck support in the corners and along the walls and he's a good team player. IMO he's a "low B" meaning I would expect 10-12 Gs a season most within his niche around the paint, and provide a physical presence in front and along the walls with good puck support when cycling and running offensive systems. He's on the first line because of his power forward presence to complement Kloos, who has greater playmaking and scoring potential. The Gophers have had many "B" players on the first line in years past and his stature and ability are a bit like Mike Hoeffel (2007-11).

EDIT: I would add I'd be very surprised if Fasching plays in the NHL. He seems more like permanent AHL material to me.

 

[Hoser]

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Yeah, that's me. Our D have average experience. I don't expect long passes to connect in the first game...and there will probably be some passing issues in October. That's normal. But I am concerned with scoring. One could say C Reilly and Fasching are proven goal scorers. But they each have had other players carry the play to them (Rau in the case of Fasching and the PP play for Reilly) so they can finish. Cammy, Bristedt and pretty much all our freshmen seem to be support, set up guys. Outside of Kloos, I don't know of other players that can carry play and finish. If the D need to effectively defend and go beyond their usual support role to ensure we score (i.e., become a full defensive corp of M Reillys) for us to win...then folks will be disappointed in them.

As I mentioned in the Hall of Fame Game thread, I am a Vermont fan and watched the broadcast. While a loss is a loss, I feel that UVM was fortunate to come out of your barn with a win, much less one that seems to indicate domination. While UVM did a good job of clogging center ice, Minnesota had at least 6 to 8 golden scoring opportunities where the puck was shot wide, depriving the team of a goal or a rebound to cash in. UVM has two strong physical D and 4 weak ones and they did not have to clear the front of the net all night. My guess is that as the season goes on and the sticks are gripped a little less tight by the freshmen, those shots will hit the net and goals will follow. It didn't seem to be the powerhouse Minnesota team of recent years but not a bad squad at all.
Good luck in your season. We want you to win all your remaining regular season games.

 

[Bonin21]

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Minnesota had at least 6 to 8 golden scoring opportunities where the puck was shot wide, depriving the team of a goal or a rebound to cash in.

#GopherHockey

 

[HarleyMC]

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#GopherHockey

Agreed, reminiscent of last season when they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Even if you're going for a one or three hole, hit the net!