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Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

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Line chemistry is certainly critical for any team and coaching staff to determine line productivity. It's noteworthy that among the three major components of line chemistry– proper position, teammate familiarity, and line mix, two are strongly relational highlighting the importance of on and off ice relationships. I recall Marshall stating after a couple losses that they needed get back to playing together as a "family"...that's chemistry.

Ideally, when college players stay together longer, line chemistry tends to increase. Which why I think most Gopher fans envisioned another NC shot with most players returning. For example, "C. Reilly/sniper, Rau/playmaker, Fasching/two-way power forward" combo should have good line chemistry and productivity.

Considering the fact that the Golden Gophers are 35th in the nation in even strength goals no doubt indicates there's some remaining line chemistry issues to resolve on this team. But IMO that's only one factor among several as to why they've stumbled at this point in the season.

What percentage of coaches in the college or pros thinks that continually rotating lines is best for ongoing team performance?

All coaches at all levels are going to change line combinations until the lines are productive. Some lines may put up numbers and then have an extended slump in scoring, prompting a change in line combos. I've seen Lucia changing lines every series into Feb. and I've also seen him set lines that were obviously very productive before the second half. It all depends on productivity.

Lucia seems to use a "paired" line strategy quite a bit this season for line combos. He'll place two players that have good chemistry on a line according to their skill level and development, and float a third player until the line produces (e.g. Rau/Fasching, Kloos/Cammarata, Boyd/Ambroz, Isackson/Lettieri).
 
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Does tDon know about this thread?! Someone should get him in here to help with his line changes and lineup asap, it could save their season!
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

Line chemistry is certainly critical for any team and coaching staff to determine line productivity. It's noteworthy that among the three major components of line chemistry– proper position, teammate familiarity, and line mix, two are strongly relational highlighting the importance of on and off ice relationships. I recall Marshall stating after a couple losses that they needed get back to playing together as a "family"...that's chemistry.

Ideally, when college players stay together longer, line chemistry tends to increase. Which why I think most Gopher fans envisioned another NC shot with most players returning. For example, "C. Reilly/sniper, Rau/playmaker, Fasching/two-way power forward" combo should have good line chemistry and productivity.

Considering the fact that the Golden Gophers are 35th in the nation in even strength goals no doubt indicates there's some remaining line chemistry issues to resolve on this team. But IMO that's only one factor among several as to why they've stumbled at this point in the season.



All coaches at all levels are going to change line combinations until the lines are productive. Some lines may put up numbers and then have an extended slump in scoring, prompting a change in line combos. I've seen Lucia changing lines every series into Feb. and I've also seen him set lines that were obviously very productive before the second half. It all depends on productivity.

Lucia seems to use a "paired" line strategy quite a bit this season for line combos. He'll place two players that have good chemistry on a line according to their skill level and development, and float a third player until the line produces (e.g. Rau/Fasching, Kloos/Cammarata, Boyd/Ambroz, Isackson/Lettieri).

And NHL coaches have even changed lines iduring a game. Granted, NHL players should be more consistent in positioning than a college player, but the point is still valid that the bigger issue is the lack of consistent effort on the part of most individuals.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

Line chemistry is certainly critical for any team and coaching staff to determine line productivity. It's noteworthy that among the three major components of line chemistry– proper position, teammate familiarity, and line mix, two are strongly relational highlighting the importance of on and off ice relationships. I recall Marshall stating after a couple losses that they needed get back to playing together as a "family"...that's chemistry.

Ideally, when college players stay together longer, line chemistry tends to increase. Which why I think most Gopher fans envisioned another NC shot with most players returning. For example, "C. Reilly/sniper, Rau/playmaker, Fasching/two-way power forward" combo should have good line chemistry and productivity.

Considering the fact that the Golden Gophers are 35th in the nation in even strength goals no doubt indicates there's some remaining line chemistry issues to resolve on this team. But IMO that's only one factor among several as to why they've stumbled at this point in the season.

Well said...guess this is not as obvious as I thought.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

Honestly, I think people have underestimated what Nate Condon brought to last year's team, both on and off the ice.
 
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Honestly, I think people have underestimated what Nate Condon brought to last year's team, both on and off the ice.

Good call. Its too simple to say 'the team just didn't care or was too lazy'. There is a lot that goes into peaking as a team and I could see Condon as a stabilizing influence.
 
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Good call. Its too simple to say 'the team just didn't care or was too lazy'. There is a lot that goes into peaking as a team and I could see Condon as a stabilizing influence.
Last year's senior class was awesome. Maybe not the most skilled players, but they played their roles and almost always lived up to expectations unlike all but one or two this year. Overall, it was a bigger loss than many would think.
 
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Digging deep for reasons I see.

How about we just aren't as good as we thought.

I don't think we're digging very deep here. My best guess is that you are partially correct...we have overestimated the team some. But there's more there as the team was good enough to lose only 8 stretch between October '13 and November of this year...but drop 6 and add a number of ties since then. You have to have some talent to go over a year with 8 loses even if our SOS was poor and it was not. So there is some other stuff there.

My guess is that we'll be right there battling a very good Michigan team for the B1G title at the end of the year as we've got the talent to do so.
 
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I'm waiting until the final buzzer sounds following Saturday night's game before passing further judgement!
 
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Digging deep for reasons I see.

How about we just aren't as good as we thought.

I saw a similar statement discussed on GPL. Maybe last year's team over-performed and this year is under-performing some. I don't buy the over-performing argument. A team can win a few games based on playing their best AND getting a few bounces. But for the most part, a long stretch of very good play isn't over-performing, it is actually approaching potential. You don't 'play better than you are', you 'play to your potential'. This year's team isn't that much different than last year's. I believe we lost a little on the back end, losing a couple solid defensive defensemen for younger players. And Brisstedt hasn't exactly replaced Condon. But overall, there is ton of returning talent and one would expect with a year of maturity, a number of the returning players would show improvement. They, therefore should be a very good team based on talent and projected improvements and it should not be a case of 'not as talented as we thought'.

How good a team is depends on talent, playing smart as a team and work ethic. The team is not as good as it should be, not because they have less talent than we thought, but because of effort. And as long as they continue to have inconsistent effort and don't commit to playing as mistake free as possible, they won't be 'as talented as we thought'.

Hopefully, they figure it out before it is too late, as the clock is ticking and midnight is approaching.
 
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Hopefully, they figure it out before it is too late, as the clock is ticking and midnight is approaching.
At the very least Lucia should ask Yeo what he said to his team before tonight's game! ;)
 
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At the very least Lucia should ask Yeo what he said to his team before tonight's game! ;)

They played the equivalent of WI tonight, so hopefully the same will happen for MN.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

Honestly, I think people have underestimated what Nate Condon brought to last year's team, both on and off the ice.

Good call. I mentioned team leadership as an issue this season after the UMD series and a few posters here overreacted. Team leadership is more than just being a decent player with a strong work ethic on the ice. Championship teams are often marked with very strong, vocal on and off ice team leadership. Nate did not put up stellar numbers and was mainly a playmaker with blazing speed averaging about 25 pts. a season. However, he brought a more vocal and motivating persona in the locker room which I think is missing this season. Taylor Matson his predecessor had a similar impact on the team.

One of the best to ever wear the C was Grant Potulny. IMO he was the consummate skilled, enthusiastic and vocal team leader on and off ice and was very influential in motivating teammates during their championship runs. That's one of the main reasons why he's behind the Gopher bench today.

I appreciate Kyle Rau's skill, grit and tenacity on the ice and he leads by example. But several have mentioned including Lucia, he's a quiet, more melancholy and reflective personality type. I suspect with the Gophers now on the PWR bubble, this may present a significant challenge to his leadership style when more outspoken and directive leadership is warranted.
 
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Hey, guys (girls), serious question.

Did we pick your pockets?

I note a ton of angst here about the state of Gopher hockey this season.

I have posted this link before, and, since it appeared on Minneapolis television, I am assuming most of you saw it, irrespective of my re-presenting it here:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/03/04/omaha-ne-recruits-top-mn-boys-high-school-hockey-players/

I understand that the better players in Minnesota high school hockey don't hang around long enough to become a factor in winning the "Mr. Minnesota Hockey" award. The crème de la crème move on to juniors (I've been told) and aren't around to win this award.

Nevertheless, Avery Peterson and Luc Snuggerud have played significant roles in UNO's current season, to date. To say the very least. And, Spinner is currently the 3rd leading scorer with the Omaha Lancers (2nd place, currently, in the USHL) and Phil Beaulieu is the 4th leading scorer, currently, with the Waterloo Blackhawks, despite being a defenseman on what is currently the worst team in the USHL. They will both be here next season.

And, the son of your assistant Head Coach plays for UNO (who was formerly on the staff at UNO and was also formerly the Head Coach of the Omaha Lancers where he won a title), and who is arguably currently one of the best players in the NCHC, and who, if he sticks around, will be a Hobey Baker candidate next season and the season after that.

Besides Spinner and Beaulieu, Jalen Schulz of Cambridge, MN is a member of next year's class at UNO. As is Jake McNeely of Lakeville North High.

Barring defections, that will make for 13 players from Minnesota on UNO's roster next season. And, as good as we have been this season so far, I think UNO is far more of a serious NCHC and NCAA title threat next season than they are this season, if one of our goalies is at least competent next year, and, right now, I think we can make some noise in this post season.

Are the Gophers current tribulations a result of player defections to outside of the state?

Where I am going with this is this. Is the best talent in the state not signing with the Gophers and that is the root cause of the fact that if the tourney started today, the Gophers are on the outside looking in?

What say you?
 
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No you didn't pick the Gophers pockets. They only had spots for 6 freshman and UNO has 11 this year. You can't sign 11 guys when only 6 spots open up no matter how good they are.
Of UNO's 11 , 5 are playing full time or 22 games. Of Minnesota's 6, none are playing full time, the most is Bristedt 14 out of 18 games. The Gopher's are a lot deeper than UNO.

The Gophers have 7 Sophomores playing 17-18 games and their top 5 sophs have more points 61 pts in 88 games than UNO's top five freshmen playing a lot more games 57 pts in 110 games. None of those players you mentioned are any better than what the gophers have in Bristedt(WJ-Sweden), Collins (2nd round NHL draft), Glover (3rd round), Hoglund(Sweden/NAHL) and Johnson(4th round).
Because of the Gophers depth three aren't even making the regular roster and even if the Gophers had some of them they wouldn't be getting the roles or playing time they are getting at UNO. The Gophers have more than enough recruits in the pipeline or more than what's open or available. Coaches recruit for need/role first.
You really can't compare the teams/classes at all.

Spinner and Peterson are 6th rounders, Snuggerud 5th, Guentzel 3rd - his dad was asst coach at UNO about the time he made his decision.
You lost Nick Seeler - 5th rounder to Minnesota this year.
 
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Everybody picks Minnesota's pockets on a yearly basis. Doesn't seem to slow the gophers down.
 
Hey, guys (girls), serious question.

Did we pick your pockets?

I note a ton of angst here about the state of Gopher hockey this season.

I have posted this link before, and, since it appeared on Minneapolis television, I am assuming most of you saw it, irrespective of my re-presenting it here:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/03/04/omaha-ne-recruits-top-mn-boys-high-school-hockey-players/

I understand that the better players in Minnesota high school hockey don't hang around long enough to become a factor in winning the "Mr. Minnesota Hockey" award. The crème de la crème move on to juniors (I've been told) and aren't around to win this award.

Nevertheless, Avery Peterson and Luc Snuggerud have played significant roles in UNO's current season, to date. To say the very least. And, Spinner is currently the 3rd leading scorer with the Omaha Lancers (2nd place, currently, in the USHL) and Phil Beaulieu is the 4th leading scorer, currently, with the Waterloo Blackhawks, despite being a defenseman on what is currently the worst team in the USHL. They will both be here next season.

And, the son of your assistant Head Coach plays for UNO (who was formerly on the staff at UNO and was also formerly the Head Coach of the Omaha Lancers where he won a title), and who is arguably currently one of the best players in the NCHC, and who, if he sticks around, will be a Hobey Baker candidate next season and the season after that.

Besides Spinner and Beaulieu, Jalen Schulz of Cambridge, MN is a member of next year's class at UNO. As is Jake McNeely of Lakeville North High.

Barring defections, that will make for 13 players from Minnesota on UNO's roster next season. And, as good as we have been this season so far, I think UNO is far more of a serious NCHC and NCAA title threat next season than they are this season, if one of our goalies is at least competent next year, and, right now, I think we can make some noise in this post season.

Are the Gophers current tribulations a result of player defections to outside of the state?

Where I am going with this is this. Is the best talent in the state not signing with the Gophers and that is the root cause of the fact that if the tourney started today, the Gophers are on the outside looking in?

What say you?

There are 204 players playing division 1 college hockey from Minnesota this season alone. Are the Gophers expected to recruit all 204 players?

Your team has 13 Minnesotans on it because Nebraska has produced only 4 current Division 1 players.

Not only that, but more and more of the best players in MN aren't hanging around high school hockey long enough to be eligible to win the Mr Hockey award (an award for the best Senior). They are leaving to play junior hockey in the USHL, BCHL, etc...or are playing for Shattuck St. Mary's or the USNTDP.

That is the worst written article I have read in a long time. And many people explained to you when it was first posted (when you mentioned it months ago) how misleading the article is.

How many of those kids referenced did you out recruit the Gophers on? Not many, as they were targeting other players.

Considering the Gophers have won 3-straight conference titles and made two Frozen Fours and a Championship game in the last 3 years, I'd say we're doing alright with our recruiting in-state. How about UNO? How have you done the last 3 seasons? Or is the only barometer we're supposed to use the first half of this season? :rolleyes:

You have some success this season and now you think you're out-recruiting us in MN? Hilarious.

You didn't "pick our pockets", you picked up our scraps.

And you're welcome for those.

Remember - You poked the bear.
 
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There are 204 players playing division 1 college hockey from Minnesota this season alone. Are the Gophers expected to recruit all 204 players?

Your team has 13 Minnesotans on it because Nebraska has produced only 4 current Division 1 players.

Not only that, but more and more of the best players in MN aren't hanging around high school hockey long enough to be eligible to win the Mr Hockey award (an award for the best Senior). They are leaving to play junior hockey in the USHL, BCHL, or are playing for Shattuck St. Mary's.

That is the worst written article I have read in a long time. And many people explained to you when it was first posted (when you mentioned it months ago) how misleading the article is.

How many of those kids referenced did you out recruit the Gophers on? Not many, as they were targeting other players.

Considering the Gophers have won 3-straight conference titles and made two Frozen Fours and a Championship game in the last 3 years, I'd say we're doing alright with our recruiting in-state. How about UNO? How have you done the last 3 seasons? Or is the only barometer we're supposed to use the first half of this season? :rolleyes:

You have some success this season and now you think you're out-recruiting us in MN? Hilarious.

You didn't "pick our pockets", you picked up our scraps.

And you're welcome for those.

Remember - You poked the bear.

I was thinking more along the lines of skunk.
 
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