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Minnesota Gophers 2018-2019

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a lot of angst over the calls of the refs, but hockey and inconsistent calls are like the 4th of July and fireworks, apple pie and ice cream, Donald Trump and Nancy Pelosi disagreeing ....
the team that played the best won on both days, so despite the non-calls and inconsistency, it had no effect

but it would have been cool for the ref to call a penalty on the doofous who kept getting hit by the puck

and thinking back to the game a few years back where the puck hit an official behind the Badger net and was promptly put in by Piazza that turned the outcome in the Gophers favor, the outcome of the similar gaff was no goal, so I'm giving the doofus a pass on that
 
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I haven't studied pairwise calculations, but despite a split in series, shouldn't the lower ranked team benefit better from a split than the higher ranked team? I was a little puzzled that UM is still a ways from flipping UW.
 
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Hockeyhub said:
I haven't studied pairwise calculations, but despite a split in series, shouldn't the lower ranked team benefit better from a split than the higher ranked team? I was a little puzzled that UM is still a ways from flipping UW.
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Going into the weekend (but maybe after an early afternoon game or two on Friday), Wisconsin's bonus-adjusted RPI was .6681 and Minn win .6524, a lead of .0157. After all the Saturday games, Wisconsin was .6625 and Minn .6509, a lead of .0116.
 
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I wonder if you think that needs to "get better"???
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Sure, And they were able to come back and win on Saturday so that is "better".

Look, it is your prerogative to not agree with my taking issue with the decision making capabilities of the defensive corp of Minnesota but if I were an opposing coach and had speedy forwards like Wisconsin, UMD, and Ohio State have, I would definitely be going all in on attacking Minnesota's D. It's a risky proposition, but the alternate to sit back and let Minnesota's forwards come at you is not going to work.
 
FiveHoleFrenzy said:
Sure, And they were able to come back and win on Saturday so that is "better".

Look, it is your prerogative to not agree with my taking issue with the decision making capabilities of the defensive corp of Minnesota but if I were an opposing coach and had speedy forwards like Wisconsin, UMD, and Ohio State have, I would definitely be going all in on attacking Minnesota's
D. It's a risky proposition, but the alternate to sit back and let Minnesota's forwards come at you is not going to work.
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Brilliant strategy for Gopher demise...Please don't share with UW OSU or UMD coaches!
 
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AAA Dad said:
Brilliant strategy for Gopher demise...
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With the Gophers being 22-3, about the only brilliant strategy for the beating the Gophers is having Wisconsin's roster or wearing green uniforms, although I suppose you could include the "black on back" unis as well.
 
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one can only wonder how good the blue line will be if they stop making all those bad decisions, LOL
Marshall leads the league in +/- followed by Skarzynski and Brown
Only two Badgers are above Knowles
and Hengler & Ostertag are tied with the #4 Badger
IOW, all 6 are in the top ten

Wente, Schammel, and Zumwinkle not surprisingly are the top line in +/-
I believe Schammel's +/- should be 1 greater than it is, assisted on a goal earlier in the year but not given credit for being on the ice
 
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pokechecker said:
one can only wonder how good the blue line will be if they stop making all those bad decisions, LOL
Marshall leads the league in +/- followed by Skarzynski and Brown
Only two Badgers are above Knowles
and Hengler & Ostertag are tied with the #4 Badger
IOW, all 6 are in the top ten

Wente, Schammel, and Zumwinkle not surprisingly are the top line in +/-
I believe Schammel's +/- should be 1 greater than it is, assisted on a goal earlier in the year but not given credit for being on the ice
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Meh...the plus minus card? On a team with a +68 goal differential? You should go get some selective statistic pointers from EF1. That poster is a lot better at it than you. ;)
 
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FiveHoleFrenzy said:
Meh...the plus minus card? On a team with a +68 goal differential? You should go get some selective statistic pointers from EF1. That poster is a lot better at it than you. ;)
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Right. Plus/minus has two major flaws:

1) It's really a team statistic rather than an individual one. It doesn't disaggregate to the individual level very well, for a lot of the same reasons why RBIs aren't a very useful way to measure baseball players efforts. Here, it can't really tell us to what extent Minnesota's defense is benefiting from playing with a group of forwards that are really good at scoring goals;

2) It's biased towards teams that score a lot, even if they allow more. The ratio of goals scored to goals allowed is a much more useful stat than is the difference between goals scored and goals allowed. In this case, Wisconsin has scored 68 non-power play goals and allowed 21; that gives us a ratio of 3.24 and a differential of 47. Minnesota has scored 97 and allowed 33, for a ratio of 2.94 and a differential of 64. Wisconsin has been about 10% better than Minnesota in terms of net goal production, but plus/minus is going to show the average Gopher to be about 27% better than the average Badger. That's a large enough difference that it makes any comparisons between the two teams meaningless;

There's a third problem, namely that any stat based around goals scored suffers from goals being low probability events, but that's more technical than I really want to try to explain right now.
 
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Gophers Set for Road Test in Ohio
https://gophersports.com/news/2019/1/21/womens-ice-hockey-gophers-set-for-road-test-in-ohio.aspx

I'm very concerned about this coming weekend. After this past weekend's huge emotional series I sure hope they're "Set for Road Test". It's your classic "trap" series, against a tough opponent who will be real fired up after their disappointing showing in Duluth.
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Getting #19 and #26 producing points would probably help ease some of your concern...
 
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Puckdrop14 said:
I can’t understand the lack of production coming from SP. She must be playing injured. She is too good to be putting up those kind of numbers. Hopefully she has a break out weekend against the Buckeyes.
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I know. It's baffling, but as Gardy used to always say, "It is what it is."
 
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Still Eeyore said:
The ratio of goals scored to goals allowed is a much more useful stat than is the difference between goals scored and goals allowed.
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You're doing the same thing that TTT did with his GRANT ratings: you make this statement but you don't provide any support for why this would be true. Grant expects me to believe that a team that wins 2-1 is superior to one that wins 5-3 or 7-4. If you want to tell me that this explanation is based on math or logic, then you have to support your ratio theory, not just throw it out there as if it is a given.
 
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I love this.

As seriously as we all take this stuff, Instagram this morning 'suggested' to me a photo posted by UW's Britta Curl of her missing an open half-net against Sydney Scobee from earlier this season. And in the comments, Curl and Mekenzie Steffen and Scobee and others go back and forth good-naturedly jabbing each other while at the same time self deprecating themselves.

Kids, having fun, playing a game.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsyJs9VhtC9/

(Cross posted to the UW thread.)
 
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